Trump Elected: The True MAGA Era Begins, Now What?

Approaching Infinity said:
Here are Rubio and Bessent giving their commentary. Good messaging, IMO:


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I'm impressed and a bit suprised by Rubio's dialectic skills. Of course, knowing a little bit about his background and how these type of 'master orators' usually have a darks side in the sense that they only argue for some cause if there's something in it for themseleves, I by no means trust Rubio 100% or think that he's on 'our side'. However, as long as he feels it beneficial to himself to be loyal to Trump, he'll be very useful for Trump's team. During this CNN interview you get the sense that he knows exactly how these CIA-affiliated journalists think (if you can even call it thinking) and what strategies they use to try and 'get you'. Rubio, perhaps being a 'master manipulator' himself (and a more clever one than the CNN journo) knows exactly what and how to say the right things in order to not be ensnared. Sure, he said some things that we know not to be true, like how it was a good thing to give arms to Ukraine in the first place, but I got the impression that he threw in those type of 'facts' just to neutralize the straw man arguments he anticipated.

And LOL, look at poor ol' Lindsay Graham. As usual, he's changing sides and jumping on a new train immediately when he sees 'his team' losing. What a sleazy man! 😀
 
I slept through that show from the White House! 🤣 My favourite Siberia.
Okay, we've all talked about it, so how much time should we give Zelensky to get him and his team out of Ukraine alive? There is a prediction that his convoy of British special forces will not let him out until summer, but about American forces will create unrest in Ukraine, maybe even a new ‘Maidan’?

It looks like there will soon be a pro American President in Ukraine who will take what's left. Well then the people who are left alive will come to bow to Russia.
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Pathetic Europe...They are all living in the old world. 🤣
I've had a smile on my face since the 20th of January, and here it is!
How did they argue? 🤣
-"Without our help, you wouldn't have lasted three weeks.’
- ‘Putin said three days!’. (Putin has never said such a thing.)🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
God, how stupid Zelensky is! What a disgrace.🤣

A brief history of Ukraine's independence:
XVII century - What, son, did your lakhs help you?
XVIII century - What, son, did your Swedes help you?
XIХ century - What, son, your Austrians helped you?
Twentieth century - What, son, did your Germans help you?
Twenty-first century - What, son, did your Americans help you?
🤣

P.S..
Is it true that Vance wanted to smash Zelensky's face in?🤣
Don't stop.🤣

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ScioAgapeOmnis said:
Yeah I got the feeling that Trump needs Zelensky to be replaced. When he mentioned that negotiations can’t work when you have such hate, it suggests that Zelensky is the problem here. When Putin said he wants to denazify Ukraine, Zelensky and his Nazi buddies are exhibit ‘A’. I wouldn’t be surprised if Putin has removal of Zelensky as one of the conditions for stopping the military operation, which means if Trump wants peace he would have to sacrifice Zelensky first.
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Putin doesn't care about Zelensky, Zelensky is a nobody. The problem is the British and Clintonoids who are behind Zelensky's back. Putin said long ago that Zelensky is not a lightweight and no one will sign anything with him. Now the states have seen it too.

No offence to the Ukrainians. But it looks like history will repeat itself.
 
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I bet Zelensky said "yeah I'll go to the White House to sign the rare earths deal" while actually planning to sit in front of Trump and try to convince him of going full Biden on Ukraine. Well, that totally backfired, didn't it?

And those two bufoons Macron and Starmer probably told Zelensky "don't worry, we'll go in advance and soften-up Trump for you". They failed miserably and it was all downhill from there. Somebody pass the popcorn!
 
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Don't like agreeing with Pelosi, yet she had the right of it, although for the wrong reasons, yet naturally they would "be overjoyed" watching that show. Best of the Web today

My first thought watching was of Lavrov and Putin et cetera, laughing their heads off while trying to prevent themselves from spilling their coffee or tea - yes Pelosi, many were overjoyed as it seemed to me that Trump just baited the guy the whole way, and then gave him plenty of rope to hang himself - knowing where it all might lead. Z did not disappoint.

Earlier in the meeting, I could not believe it when Z spouted off about Putin the Murderer and Terrorist, and then, low and behold, turned to retrieve his photo prop envelop that cataloged padres and prisoners, and discussed the 20,00 stolen children while handing it to Trump, who flipped through them. Z really must think those in the room are stupid.

Perhaps dear Z has moved off coke for crack, as he simply cut his own throat - 'Officially'.
 
Hard to say how much of this was planned (deliberately provoking Zelensky to then easier get rid of him) and how much of it was spontaneous due to Zelensky's delusions and wishful thinking.

The $500 billion rare earths deal that they gave him only half an hour to sign initially was definitely a deliberate provocation. So more planned provocation seem likely in this case too.
 
Notice how close Trump actually got, at the end of that exchange, to telling Americans and the world that Putin isn't a (and/or the) bad guy and that he went through similar BS as he is, then pare that with what his son recently said, and it seems like Trump actually knows what is going on there:


Also notice that his son seems to have been disillusioned about a number of the most basic, core myths Americans believe in:

Cosmos said:
I have a suggestion:

After Trump hopefully wins, let's suggest that Donald Trump Jr. tries to run for president next. He strikes me as a pretty straight forward guy. I can't disagree with anything he says in the following Tucker video. He is astoundingly outspoken and seems to grasp what is going on quite well (although he might be a bit too talkative for my taste):


I think he could stand quite a good chance, actually. From what I heard, he has also attracted many people in a big rally tour throughout America. Quite similar to his father. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump thinking is pretty similarly to his son. Quite interesting.
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Cosmos said:
You can refer back to what was mentioned here on this thread and other parts of the forum about Trumps pick for vice president, namely J.D. Vance.

A couple of days ago Donald Trump Jr. revealed a number of interesting details of how it happened that Vance was chosen, in his interview with Tucker:


Summary:

- It sounds like Trump Jr. himself (who is an interesting character in itself) recommended Vance for this position and Tucker seems to have played a role in that too.

- Jr. and Tucker mention how very much the republican “doner class“ was
against picking Vance and how hard it is to go against them.

- Jr. basically said how impressed he was how Vance was able to skillfully outsmart fake news people on mainstream in quite a number of interviews.

Somewhere else I heard that either he and/or other son’s of Trump know Vance personally for quite a while and are friends with him.

I‘m telling ya, Vance still seems to be a very interesting pick to me. Potentially quite a heavy weight in a positive sense.

Also, as I said elsewhere, I think Trump Jr. seems quite interesting too and potentially a future candidate for president. He is quite blunt and it seems like he has “woken up“ from quite a number of illusions about the world and America. What seems to have been his catalyst for going into that direction was everything that happened before and after Trump got elected for the first time. It also sounds like he has become pretty disillusioned about core illusions about America itself and how “great“ they ever were to begin with. Which is quite something for such a privileged american.

By the way, Tucker at the end says to Jr. that he hopes Jr. will run for president in the future.

At this point it almost seems like there is a huge coalition of very influential, famous and potentially good people forming around Trump. I mean, the PTB probably have never been confronted with a more brought and dangerous situation before (for them and their goals) than what we can see right now building in america. They might not be able to stop that wave, even if they steal the election yet again.
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I watched it again today and I noticed that it was a question from polish journalist about "what would Trump say to polish people who think he's aligning himself too much with Putin" which ignited the whole argument 🤣 apparently Polish once again provoked a conflict, this time on accident.

And also while watching it I had a feeling that it wasn't planned by Trump at all. It felt so natural and Trump with Vance didn't try to provoke Z, Vance's answer wasn't provocative. It was Z who ignited after he heard him talking about diplomacy, not pretending, calling Putin names, but taking action. Z then wanted to prove him that previous agreements were broken by Russia (which were actually broken by Ukrainian battalions) and no US president tried to prevent it. He ended his speech with an offensive question towards Vance and probably that's what provoked VP's emotional response afterwards. It's good that he brought up the forced conscription, but imo he should have brought the truth about Ukrainians bombing eastern parts, the atrocities Ukrainian battalions were committing, Nuland etc. But maybe for some reason he couldn't/didn't want to.
I don't know, I have a feeling that this particulate encounter wasn't planned at all.
 
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Elisasheva said:
And also while watching it I had a feeling that it wasn't planned by Trump at all. It felt so natural and Trump with Vance didn't try to provoke Z, Vance's answer wasn't provocative. It was Z who ignited after he heard him talking about diplomacy, not pretending, calling Putin names, but taking action. Z then wanted to prove him that previous agreements were broken by Russia (which were actually broken by Ukrainian battalions) and no US president tried to prevent it. He ended his speech with an offensive question towards Vance and probably that's what provoked VP's emotional response afterwards.
I don't know, I have a feeling that it wasn't planned at all.
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Yeah, it is hard to tell, if and how much of that was planned or not, and when you look at the whole video, it seems very spontaneous. Having said that, even if it was a purely spontaneous thing, once again, it sorts of proofs an almost uncanny ability of Trump cutting through BS by pure instincts and sort of doing the right thing (even if it was not consciously intended to be done in that way). It could also be, that Trump, being the showman he is, noticed, by pure instincts during that exchange, that he can/should turn it to a "reality show" for the world to his advantage. It is also interesting that it seems like Vance actually was the first person going really off script and getting to the core issues after having been "provoked" by Zelensky.
 
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