Ryan Davies: I don't know like maybe you can answer that question like what what is it? I don't understand.
Desiree Fixler: I struggle to understand it myself, but
having been at all of these World Economic Forum meetings and working with Mark Carney's team and I just found them, they're all technocrats. They all operate almost in a robotic manner where they have their speaking notes and they have their expert research reports, and very little critical thinking and very little interaction with ordinary folks... . It's like here in the UK, you know, no matter how much ‘Red Ed’ -
Ed Milliband in charge of, like, he's our 'net zero tsar' here - tells us that electricity prices are coming down, he's going to save every family 300 pounds. Well, guess what? Labor's been in over one year and electricity prices keep going up. They're not going down.
And that's the disconnect when, you know, when I work with or
when I used to work with Carney's team, and others, is they're just totally detached from the plight of of ordinary people and they're married to this scripture that the number one risk in the world is climate catastrophe. And it doesn't matter how many times you sit there and say, "Yes, there's climate change, but there is no climate emergency. That is that is made up. That is fear-mongering.” Right? And that that is the reason. That's the best way I can explain it,
that these folks are married to this belief that they're doing the right thing, they have moral superiority, they have to protect - it’s a very condescending approach, it’s very arrogant - they have to protect people because people don't know, right? But
they do because
they have the
McKenzie report or the
Boston Consulting Group report that says something, not understanding, right? You know,
that's a vested interest group. They're writing that so there's more regulation, they get, you know, more fees. But that’s the best way I can explain it where
it's this stubborn managerial approach to things. Everything is about process, process over outcomes. It's the process, right?
And so you can just talk about, you frame issues, you talk about your intentions, your aspirations, but never the actions and the outcomes. Right? And you'll always blame the problems, because the problems aren't going to go away, on your predecessor, you know? Or you blame it on, like today, just blame it on President Trump. It's Trump's fault.
Ryan: Or you blame it on the little people, right? The little people that you're trying to save. Well, if they would just listen, then all of their problems would go away. And do you think, do you think that all of these people, and this would be I think the scariest part to me,
do you think they actually believe that they are the saviours of humanity? Because this is the way that they seem to operate, to your point, is that they have all of the knowledge, they have all of the expertise and they will tell society what to do because they don't know any better and they're just uneducated little peons and they need us to be able to move them along.
It's almost as if they consider themselves, you know, supreme beings or gods over society. Do you think they actually believe that?
Desiree: I think some of them do and I think some of them see the grift, like, they
see it, they see right through it,
but they're not going to speak up because they're making so much money. In addition, they're in a supreme position of power, so they're not going to give that up. Most people that I speak to on “net zero” complain,
complain that it was a marketing gimmick. The intention of “net zero”, which, you know, the big drive came out in 2020, was to drive down carbon emissions. Now aside from the economic disaster it’s caused globally, it hasn't even accomplished its original task to drive down carbon emissions. Carbon emissions are going up.
I would say a lot of the people know that these policies have failed but there's so much paranoia in the room they don't want to lose their jobs. So you have to tow the party line stick to the script. You don't speak up. And, you know, for a lot of people they'll say like, “Oh, well,
this first approach to ‘net zero’ hasn’t worked. So we're going to come up with with a better plan, a better transition plan.” And again, there is now they have
more process, more regulation. Right?
The consultants, the lawyers, the bankers, it’s another feeding frenzy of restructuring policy as opposed to just saying, “You consultants get out of the room. It’s pretty simple. Let's start with scrapping C-69, and let's
not have a consensus approach. …”
