Precisely. Closely correlating with the hacked documents total of 1.7 million.
Session 23 August 2025
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Precisely. Closely correlating with the hacked documents total of 1.7 million.
We're not talking about civilians here. That total is well known (and probably exaggerated).
And this is what is being missed. As a war continues and one side continues to be attrited at an increasing rate, the death toll can begin to rise exponentially for various reasons.
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Evan
The Living Force
So glad to have a new session! I’m sure you can understand that, with the last session ending with “all messages have been delivered”, followed by two months of silence, one could be forgiven for getting a bit worried about the state of future communications. But here we are, and so happy to see it!
So, in Israel, a change “not as timely as you would like, but in time for the cosmos to do what is needed.” as well as a possible oreshnik in Kiev, and another major program change on top of that? Exciting times! Help is still on the way…though at its own pace.
@Musicinventor
So, in Israel, a change “not as timely as you would like, but in time for the cosmos to do what is needed.” as well as a possible oreshnik in Kiev, and another major program change on top of that? Exciting times! Help is still on the way…though at its own pace.
@Musicinventor
Ghazi18
Jedi
Thank you for the session Laura & crew!
Supposedly Object 3l/atlas is set to arrive around November. Let see what kind of show it will put on!
It’s interesting seeing how the “elites” are out in the open about their activities and getting even bolder. It could be me but maybe since they’re more on the negative side and with this build up of negative energy, they naturally feel even more “comfortable” due to the environment. What’s even more interesting is how they can’t even see how they’re causing their own destruction.
Hope everyone stays safe and aware!
Supposedly Object 3l/atlas is set to arrive around November. Let see what kind of show it will put on!
It’s interesting seeing how the “elites” are out in the open about their activities and getting even bolder. It could be me but maybe since they’re more on the negative side and with this build up of negative energy, they naturally feel even more “comfortable” due to the environment. What’s even more interesting is how they can’t even see how they’re causing their own destruction.
Hope everyone stays safe and aware!
Kiitos Laura et al for the session. Some fun topics and some not so fun topics. I'm sorry to hear about MusicInventor's plight with cancer. I can only imagine how awful it has been going through 39 rounds of chemo. I don't want to tag Laura or Ark, does anyone know what brand of Liposomal vitamin C Ark was taking? My stuff is "liquid" but capsules would be super convenient!
4d candidate
Jedi
Undoubtedly, the number of 1.7 million Ukrainian casualties is so enormous that it's difficult to imagine, but for the first time during the session, a crucial question was raised: what is the ratio of Ukrainians to Russians killed? This figure is incredibly high, 15:1. I think I read on Telegram that a Russian hacker group stole Ukrainian data regarding their soldiers' losses, and the figure was 1.72 million, which is staggering.
But the question is, do Ukrainians have any interest in inflating the number of dead soldiers in their files, or did this hacker group deliberately inflate the figures? Unfortunately, we don't have answers to these questions, and I assume Russia has complete and fairly reliable data on Ukrainian soldiers killed.
However, it's a different story that they mostly reported the total number of dead and wounded. I don't quite understand why, because even though truth dies first in war and the Western world tries to ridicule and discredit Russia for everything they say and write, perhaps these numbers would allow at least some thinking citizens of the US and the EU to generate resistance to belligerent governments and politicians?
I have limited confidence in this information, but if these hackers are to be believed, the total number of men killed, wounded, deserters, and conscripts who left Ukraine is approximately 8.9 million.
Since various estimates put the number of Ukrainians before the conflict began at the end of 2021 between 39 and 44 million, the number of men capable of fighting is approximately 9 million. It's no wonder that attempts were later made to increase the age of conscription to 18, with the upper limit being well over 50.
For almost three years, men in Ukraine have been rounded up on the streets like game or slaves in Africa 200 years ago and forcibly transported to the front, regardless of their lack of combat value. This translates into a survival rate of several hours to several days. If a Ukrainian soldier tries to desert from the battlefield, rear-line units shoot them like ducks, and I've seen such videos recorded by Russian drones.
We're dealing with a truly unprecedented situation where the country that started the war lacks a motivated army to fight the enemy, and a Ukrainian soldier or mercenary without any support from anywhere has the choice of either dying at the hands of the Russians or the Ukrainians. It's terrifying.
But the question is, do Ukrainians have any interest in inflating the number of dead soldiers in their files, or did this hacker group deliberately inflate the figures? Unfortunately, we don't have answers to these questions, and I assume Russia has complete and fairly reliable data on Ukrainian soldiers killed.
However, it's a different story that they mostly reported the total number of dead and wounded. I don't quite understand why, because even though truth dies first in war and the Western world tries to ridicule and discredit Russia for everything they say and write, perhaps these numbers would allow at least some thinking citizens of the US and the EU to generate resistance to belligerent governments and politicians?
I have limited confidence in this information, but if these hackers are to be believed, the total number of men killed, wounded, deserters, and conscripts who left Ukraine is approximately 8.9 million.
Since various estimates put the number of Ukrainians before the conflict began at the end of 2021 between 39 and 44 million, the number of men capable of fighting is approximately 9 million. It's no wonder that attempts were later made to increase the age of conscription to 18, with the upper limit being well over 50.
For almost three years, men in Ukraine have been rounded up on the streets like game or slaves in Africa 200 years ago and forcibly transported to the front, regardless of their lack of combat value. This translates into a survival rate of several hours to several days. If a Ukrainian soldier tries to desert from the battlefield, rear-line units shoot them like ducks, and I've seen such videos recorded by Russian drones.
We're dealing with a truly unprecedented situation where the country that started the war lacks a motivated army to fight the enemy, and a Ukrainian soldier or mercenary without any support from anywhere has the choice of either dying at the hands of the Russians or the Ukrainians. It's terrifying.
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This might be slightly off-topic. When I read the name Velleiaea, I couldn't help but think of the name of the third woman Jesus had a child with: Vella. Or was it one of his daughters?
In the above quoted session of 3 October 1998, the C's ask what the root of the word 'chalice' is. Has this been researched further? Has anyone discovered anything?
Gab.ai gave me this information about that:
The English word **chalice** ultimately derives from the Latin **calix**, meaning “cup” or “drinking vessel.” The Latin **calix** itself traces back to the ancient Greek **κύλιξ (kýlix)**—which also referred to a broad, shallow drinking cup.
I then asked for names derived of the root calix:
Names (proper or common) built on the root **calix** “cup” turn up all over the place—Greek, Latin, botanical, zoological, astronomical—once you know what to listen for. Below is a concise field guide to the most familiar and their derivation path:
1. Chalice (English) – directly via Old French, from Latin *calix* → *calicem* → *chalice*.
2. Calyx – the unchanged Latin word itself, now used in anatomy and botany for the cuplike part of the flower.
3. Caliciform, calicine, caliculus (and its diminutive *caliculus*) – scientific adjectives for “cup-shaped” structures.
4. Calyx (taxonomic name) – e.g. *Calyx nicaeensis* (a sea cucumber) and many plant species names.
5. Calista / Kalista – Greek feminine given name meaning “most beautiful,” but often folk-etymologically linked by later speakers to *kályx* “chalice” for its elegant sound.
6. Calixto / Calisto – Spanish & Portuguese male names from the Greek mythic figure Callisto (*kállistos*), again reshaped by popular association with *calix*.
7. Calex / Calyx – modern given names or brand names (especially in the U.S.) coined from the Greek/Latin root for elegance and novelty.
8. Kalypso – cognate through *kályptō* “to cover,” a sister stem sharing the cup-like sense of “enclosing vessel,” used in botany and astronomy for orchid names and Saturn’s moon Calypso.
9. Calycanthus – the sweet-shrub genus (Greek *kályx* + *ánthos* “flower”), literally “cup-flower.”
10. Calceolaria – slipper-flower genus (Latin root *calceus* “shoe,” but early botanists liked the similar *calix* sound).
Listen for “-alix/-elix/-ilix/-alista/-ista/-isto” endings or the clipped form “Caly/Calex” in modern inventions—nearly all traceable in spirit, if not always directly in spelling, to the humble *calix*: cup, chalice, or protective covering.
I asked who Callista and Kalypso were:
Kalista (properly **Callisto**) and Kalypso were two quite different figures from Greek mythology who later drifted into later folklore and naming traditions.
Callisto (“most beautiful”)
• Arcadian nymph or princess, sworn companion of Artemis.
• Zeus disguised himself as Artemis, tricked her, and fathered a son, Arcas.
• Either Hera in jealousy or Artemis in outrage turned her into a she-bear.
• Nearly shot by her grown son during a hunt; Zeus whisked both into the sky as the constellations Ursa Major (Callisto) and Ursa Minor (Arcas).
• In post-classical retellings the Latinized form “Callista” became a female given name across Europe.
Kalypso (“to conceal, to cover”)
• A minor sea-goddess, daughter of Atlas, dwelling on the island of Ogygia.
• After Odysseus’ shipwreck she detained him seven years in Homeric tradition (Odyssey V).
• Offered him immortality in exchange for staying; he refused and was finally freed by Zeus through Hermes.
• No metamorphosis: she simply fades from the story when Odysseus sails away.
• “Calypso” entered English as the name of her island, various plants, musical rhythms, and even astronomical objects.
So: **Callisto/Kalista** is the transformed Arcadian nymph who becomes the Great Bear constellation; **Kalypso** is the ocean-dwelling enchantress who briefly holds Odysseus captive.
Callista was an Arcadian nymph or princess in Greek mythology.
When I asked Gab.ai what the word Velleiaea means the answer was as follows:
“Velleiaea” isn’t a word you’ll meet in print; it’s an editorial shorthand that shows up in the apparatus criticus of scholarly text-editions.
When editors of Latin or Greek works are discussing variant readings, they commonly abbreviate the names of their predecessor-editors. One of the most famous is **Johann Gottlob Velleius** (“Vell.”), a nineteenth-century classical philologist. So a marginal note like “velleiaea codd.” simply means “the reading in the **codices (= manuscripts) of Velleius**,” or more idiomatically, “the Velleian manuscripts.”
It isn’t a word of meaning in the normal sense—just a convenient label scholars use to cite which group of manuscripts carries a particular reading.
In the above quoted session of 3 October 1998, the C's ask what the root of the word 'chalice' is. Has this been researched further? Has anyone discovered anything?
Gab.ai gave me this information about that:
The English word **chalice** ultimately derives from the Latin **calix**, meaning “cup” or “drinking vessel.” The Latin **calix** itself traces back to the ancient Greek **κύλιξ (kýlix)**—which also referred to a broad, shallow drinking cup.
I then asked for names derived of the root calix:
Names (proper or common) built on the root **calix** “cup” turn up all over the place—Greek, Latin, botanical, zoological, astronomical—once you know what to listen for. Below is a concise field guide to the most familiar and their derivation path:
1. Chalice (English) – directly via Old French, from Latin *calix* → *calicem* → *chalice*.
2. Calyx – the unchanged Latin word itself, now used in anatomy and botany for the cuplike part of the flower.
3. Caliciform, calicine, caliculus (and its diminutive *caliculus*) – scientific adjectives for “cup-shaped” structures.
4. Calyx (taxonomic name) – e.g. *Calyx nicaeensis* (a sea cucumber) and many plant species names.
5. Calista / Kalista – Greek feminine given name meaning “most beautiful,” but often folk-etymologically linked by later speakers to *kályx* “chalice” for its elegant sound.
6. Calixto / Calisto – Spanish & Portuguese male names from the Greek mythic figure Callisto (*kállistos*), again reshaped by popular association with *calix*.
7. Calex / Calyx – modern given names or brand names (especially in the U.S.) coined from the Greek/Latin root for elegance and novelty.
8. Kalypso – cognate through *kályptō* “to cover,” a sister stem sharing the cup-like sense of “enclosing vessel,” used in botany and astronomy for orchid names and Saturn’s moon Calypso.
9. Calycanthus – the sweet-shrub genus (Greek *kályx* + *ánthos* “flower”), literally “cup-flower.”
10. Calceolaria – slipper-flower genus (Latin root *calceus* “shoe,” but early botanists liked the similar *calix* sound).
Listen for “-alix/-elix/-ilix/-alista/-ista/-isto” endings or the clipped form “Caly/Calex” in modern inventions—nearly all traceable in spirit, if not always directly in spelling, to the humble *calix*: cup, chalice, or protective covering.
I asked who Callista and Kalypso were:
Kalista (properly **Callisto**) and Kalypso were two quite different figures from Greek mythology who later drifted into later folklore and naming traditions.
Callisto (“most beautiful”)
• Arcadian nymph or princess, sworn companion of Artemis.
• Zeus disguised himself as Artemis, tricked her, and fathered a son, Arcas.
• Either Hera in jealousy or Artemis in outrage turned her into a she-bear.
• Nearly shot by her grown son during a hunt; Zeus whisked both into the sky as the constellations Ursa Major (Callisto) and Ursa Minor (Arcas).
• In post-classical retellings the Latinized form “Callista” became a female given name across Europe.
Kalypso (“to conceal, to cover”)
• A minor sea-goddess, daughter of Atlas, dwelling on the island of Ogygia.
• After Odysseus’ shipwreck she detained him seven years in Homeric tradition (Odyssey V).
• Offered him immortality in exchange for staying; he refused and was finally freed by Zeus through Hermes.
• No metamorphosis: she simply fades from the story when Odysseus sails away.
• “Calypso” entered English as the name of her island, various plants, musical rhythms, and even astronomical objects.
So: **Callisto/Kalista** is the transformed Arcadian nymph who becomes the Great Bear constellation; **Kalypso** is the ocean-dwelling enchantress who briefly holds Odysseus captive.
Callista was an Arcadian nymph or princess in Greek mythology.
When I asked Gab.ai what the word Velleiaea means the answer was as follows:
“Velleiaea” isn’t a word you’ll meet in print; it’s an editorial shorthand that shows up in the apparatus criticus of scholarly text-editions.
When editors of Latin or Greek works are discussing variant readings, they commonly abbreviate the names of their predecessor-editors. One of the most famous is **Johann Gottlob Velleius** (“Vell.”), a nineteenth-century classical philologist. So a marginal note like “velleiaea codd.” simply means “the reading in the **codices (= manuscripts) of Velleius**,” or more idiomatically, “the Velleian manuscripts.”
It isn’t a word of meaning in the normal sense—just a convenient label scholars use to cite which group of manuscripts carries a particular reading.
I always knew there was something wrong with this city.
PS In Russian, Scheria (the name of the island where the Phaeacians lived) sounds similar to the word Skerries. Skerries (Swedish skär, Old Norse sker - cliff, rock in the sea)
The Skerries were formed as a result of glacial erosion of part of the continent, which was eventually flooded by the sea so that only the highest parts of the land remained above the surface in the form of islands, islets or even individual rocks.
Talas
Jedi Master
Great session thank you Chateau crew and the Questions where well thought out .. St Petersburg well makes sense now.
Seems that's atlas will poping in for some fireworks and the the ratio to killed in Ukraine is 15/1 wow that's crazy and 400 million people in the U.S that's as mad as 89 in the U.K..crazy times indeed.
Keep it tight peeps pressure cookers building and much love to everyone and don't be afraid to air your views,fears and hopes hear where all in the network together.Best.
Seems that's atlas will poping in for some fireworks and the the ratio to killed in Ukraine is 15/1 wow that's crazy and 400 million people in the U.S that's as mad as 89 in the U.K..crazy times indeed.
Keep it tight peeps pressure cookers building and much love to everyone and don't be afraid to air your views,fears and hopes hear where all in the network together.Best.
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