Chinese actor murdered sparks nationwide online outrage - CCP goes full censorship

[fifty_five]

I didn't want to fight with anyone. It's just that while we could just discuss this particular case in here - since it's interesting - I see a tendency of warning about western propaganda if there's any news about bad things happening in China while news about bad things happening in the west are taken as proof of the evil west.

I repeat. You have highlighted a position that has not existed until now. What we have had until now is networking, that is, adding points of view without any pedagogical interpretation (lecturing).

 

[Huila]

Yu Menglong Official Avaaz Petition

A global petition was setup at Avaaz to get Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International to take up the case once 500k signatures are obtained. Watch out for other online fundraising/ petitions setup by the people believed to have been behind Yu Menglong's demise.

Call for International Support

On the grounds of human rights protection and information transparency, we call for an independent, thorough, and transparent investigation to clarify the facts and respond to public concerns

For this reason, we solemnly demand:

1. A formal case be filed and an independent, transparent investigation be initiated.
   
2. If criminal facts are confirmed, accountability must be pursued in accordance with the law, ensuring justice through fair trial and sanction.

We urge Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International to closely monitor this case, and to press the relevant authorities, under international supervision, to establish an independent, transparent, and credible investigation mechanism.

We call on the public to join this petition to safeguard human rights and information transparency.

 

[Tomiro]

I took a further look at the case, and there definitely seems to be something shady going on.

Here is another longer video in English, and a second part to be released at some point.

 

[palestine]

I looked a little more, and it's true that other actors from this same company have passed away. I gathered the information I found:

Over the past two decades, several young artists under Yu’s agency, Tianyu Media (EE-Media), have died under similar circumstances.

He (Yu Menlong) was previously signed to EE-Media (Shanghai Tianyu Media), a subsidiary of Mango Excellent Media, which is owned by Hunan Broadcasting System.

On October 9, Mango Excellent Media announced that Vice General Manager Luo Zejun had resigned due to a “work transfer arrangement” and would no longer hold any position within the company. The statement also noted that Luo did not hold any company shares.

Prior to that, another senior executive, Vice General Manager Shen Yadong, had stepped down on August 13, citing “personal reasons.” Shen, who had served as the general manager of Tianyu Media since 2020, left even before Yu Menglong’s tragic passing.

EE-Media
wikipedia.org/wiki/EE-Media#Locations

EE-Media is a C-pop (Mandopop) record label, founded in Shanghai, China in 2004 by Long Danni under the parent company Hunan Broadcasting System.

Mango Excellent Media
finance.yahoo.com/quote/300413.SZ/profile/

Mango Excellent Media Co., Ltd. operates in the internet new media industry in China. It operates through four segments: Mango TV Internet Video Business, New media interactive entertainment content production and operation, Content e-commerce, and Others.

Hunan Broadcasting System
wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunan_Broadcasting_System

Hunan Broadcasting System (HBS)... formerly known as Golden Eagle Broadcasting System (GBS), is China's second biggest state-owned television network after China Central Television (CCTV). The television network is owned by the Hunan provincial government. The network is based in Changsha in Hunan and Xining in Qinghai. On 20 May 2009, the television network expanded its service to Hong Kong and North America.

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2006
singer Tan Beixi

died in a so-called “unusual car accident.”

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25 October 2011
actor Shang Yubo (尚于博)
born 31 May 1983 (28 yo)

reportedly jumped to his death after wandering the rooftop of a high rise for three hours.

After the incident, the police accidentally found a simple and clear note in his temporary rented apartment, with only a few words on the paper: "My departure has nothing to do with others, please do not blame anyone."

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9 June 2015
Bian Ce (边策)
born 1983 (32yo)

considered a rising star at that time, died after falling from a building in Tianjin, China.

when police arrived at his home, they found the window open and the man had fallen to his death. Later, police revealed that amphetamine and methamphetamine were found in the man's blood, providing direct evidence of drug use.

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December 27 / 24, 2016
girl singer Ben Xi / Ma Xiaochen (本兮)
born June 30, 1994 (22yo)

reportedly died after jumping from her residence on Christmas Eve, just days after promoting her new music during a live broadcast. Her death was ruled a suicide.

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September 16, 2016
singer-actor Qiao Renliang (喬任梁)
born on October 15, 1987

found dead in his Shanghai home. Police confirmed that Qiao had died by suicide.

He was dismembered, his four limbs torn apart, leaving his body no longer intact. After the burial, everyone saw it. Yet no one spoke up and even his family remained silent.

Another key witness who saw everything was Cheng Qingsong, a director and broker of male artists. After Qiao's death, he constantly kept surveillance on the victim's family.

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October 16, 2017
actress Ren Jiao (任嬌)
born December 27, 1988 (28yo)

naked fall from a hotel in Suzhou, China

two-month-long investigation, police determined that Jiao had accidentally fallen to her death while intoxicated.

Crosstalk star Zhao Benshan (Ren Jiao's mentor) had hinted that her death was not an accident

a video circulating online of Ren Jiao being forcibly pulled back into a car was not accepted by police

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2019
actress Lu Jiayong / Lu Giai Dung (呂佳容)
born 5 July 1984

went missing after she shared posts online about her stress-induced struggles in the entertainment industry. To this day, there have been no official updates about Lu.

absent since posting a photo of her injured wrist in 2019, leaving many concerned about her current condition.

in 2018, Jiarong Lv suddenly posted a photo of her bloodied hand on Weibo, along with disturbing messages such as "This is horrible. I lost. I admit it. I quit" and "If I'm not here tomorrow, I'll end up like Qiao Renliang," shocking the public.

In the comments section, she mentioned, "Land Media treats us like this," and "If I don't touch his family, they'll kill me," specifically naming "Land Media's Zhou Hao," hinting at a hidden agenda. Her studio subsequently issued an urgent statement that afternoon, stating that Jiarong Lv only suffered a hand injury and had been rushed to the hospital for bandages overnight, and reassured the public. However, following the incident, Jiarong Lv withdrew from the public eye and has not taken on any new projects. Although she starred in the 2023 drama "The Brightest of Us," filming actually began in late 2017.

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2020
Singer Cai Chong

suddenly passed away

no official explanation provided to the public

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9 May 2024
Tian Zongqi (田宗琦)
September 22, 1982 (41 yo)

died in Bangkok, Thailand

The body was found wearing a black short-sleeved shirt and gray shorts, with scars on the face, a broken head, and a deformed right leg. Reports also indicate that the deceased, staying alone at the hotel, fell from the sixth floor and struck the exterior wall of the building

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September 11, 2025
Yu Menlong (于朦朧)
born June 15, 1988 (37 yo)

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Two additional names came by but I don't know if they had to do with the same artist company:

Master Qiufeng (秋風師傅)
Wang Xiangjun (王 相軍)

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Sources:

• In 2011, Shang Yubo jumped off the building and died after hesitating for 3 hours on the roof, leaving his old mother alone to wash her face with tears
• https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/631655226
• 曾喊「會和喬任梁一樣」！女星血手照被挖出 6年未現身成謎 - 自由娛樂
• 于朦朧離奇墜樓亡　網憶任嬌赤裸身亡案！掀「被掩蓋真相」質疑 - 鏡週刊 Mirror Media
• Ben Xi to Qiao Renliang: 9 tragic celebrity deaths linked to Yu Menglong’s agency
• https://twitter.com/x/status/1969500117301395840
• Multiple Celebrity Deaths Under The Same Agency Spark Murder Allegations
• 央视名嘴田宗琦泰国坠楼身亡，前电影频道主持边策跳楼，公众人物心理健康更需疏导-华裔人物早餐会
• Yu Menglong’s agency Tianyu Media in the spotlight after his death: Before Alan Yu, 8 popular emerging stars died under the same agency in the last 2 decades; who were they and how did they die

 

[axj]

Maybe it makes more sense to start a topic (or continue an existing one) discussing what really goes on in China. Depite being in many ways the largest economy, the situation in China seems to be more or less a mystery for most people outside of China.

 

[meadow_wind]

Yu Menglong Official Avaaz Petition

A global petition was setup at Avaaz

Thanks for posting the link. I watched the whole video you shared last time and clicked on the link she provided for this petition.
They are close to 500k and it's growing so fast: they received almost 50k signatures in 48h!!

But, even better news, for people who don't know much about the "fan culture" in China, it's quite incredible how much solidarity they exhibit in some instances, such as this event. For the past month, there has been massive boycott towards the 17 people listed as being present and/or participating in the murder. I've attached the name list as a Word file for anyone interested.

'Retribution Comes Fast': Yu Menglong’s Death Triggers Corporate Meltdown in China - Vision Times

The mysterious death of mainland Chinese actor Yu Menglong on Sept. 11 has continued to ignite international outrage and calls for accountability. Across

www.visiontimes.com

Published Oct 15, this source lists some of the consequences:

Across Chinese and overseas social media, millions of fans are demanding justice by boycotting concerts, television shows, and brands tied to Yu’s case. Within days, “Tianyu Media,” Yu’s management company, and its parent firm “Mango TV/Mango Super Media,” saw their stock prices crash and several executives abruptly resign. Netizens summed up the reaction with one phrase echoing across the internet: “Retribution came fast.”
(...)
In the days following the public backlash, “Tianyu Media” and “Mango Super Media” suffered steep sell-offs. According to “Sina Finance,” Mango’s stock price plunged 6.68 percent on Oct. 9 and another 5.12 percent on Oct. 10, wiping out more than ¥7.67 billion RMB (over USD $1 billion) in market value in just two days.

Mango Super Media’s own filings show investor confidence collapsing: As of Sept. 30, 2025, the number of shareholders had fallen to 37,900, down 15,400 from the previous month — a staggering 28.9 percent decline.

Soon after, resignations began rolling in. The company announced that Vice President Luo Zejun had formally stepped down and would no longer hold any position. Previously, Shen Yadong, Vice President and General Manager of Tianyu Media since 2020, also resigned citing “personal reasons.”

Among those targeted by public outrage is Fan Shiqi, one of the key suspects in the Yu Menglong case. His concert was canceled after selling only 15 tickets, and brands swiftly terminated his endorsement deals. New acting roles have dried up entirely, leaving his entertainment career effectively over.

The movement is no longer confined to the internet. According to the YouTube channel “Finance Cold Eye,” citizens have begun taking to the streets to protest against “Tianyu Media,” (...) On Oct. 8, a large LED screen at the entrance of Wuyue Plaza in Jiangsu played close-ups of Yu Menglong on loop, accompanied by the text “I am Yu Menglong.” On Bilibili, users reported similar displays in several other cities, with comments reading:

“We’re here on Oct 8 — never abandon, never yield.”
“One group, one cause. Together we fight, together we win.”

The wave of action has gone global, as Yu’s case continues to be reported by “Foreign Policy” (U.S.), “BBC” (U.K.), “The Straits Times” (Singapore), “CNA” (Taiwan), and “The Sydney Morning Herald”(Australia).

I took a further look at the case, and there definitely seems to be something shady going on. Here is another longer video in English, and a second part to be released at some point.

Of course there is something shady going on! I made that clear in my 1st post.
Thanks for the link: It shows this is going viral internationally! Her video was published less than 24h ago, and she already got 900k views and 5000k comments



Another thing that was on my mind... I was wondering if Yu's soul chose the path of martyrdom in order to raise awareness and bring justice/balance in this world. It's sure having a massive impact worldwide, and I bet the CCP is having a mental breakdown lol

Q: (L) So, based on things you've said in the past, does that mean there needs to be more suffering so that more people wake up?

A: Close.

 

[palestine]

The following article is strongly anti-CCP but there was a few additional takes, and the following points hint at various possibilities:

Putin, Xi Who Must Obeyed, Occult Rituals & Living Forever

... some are saying, are related to Tibetan practices of Vajrayana, which is something like the Buddhist (yoga) version of voodoo. In a “life exchange” ceremony (...)

Others say the ritual is only used for the victim (patient?) to achieve a “higher state of consciousness”

others say that’s the public face of black practices

AKA "why do they do those things".

Here is another info that can be found:

The Disturbing 798 Art Museum: Is Y - China - Cheng Xi

Adding to the eeriness, Li Mu Yang, a self-media journalist who has been following the Yuhong case, received a recent tip from netizens revealing that Yuhong's body is stored in the 'Qihao Art Museum' located in the 798 Art District.

During the program, Li Mu Yang cited revelations from netizens, claiming that Yu Menglong was initially suspected of enduring inhumane treatment and torture in the spa area of the Bulgari Hotel, which left him in a near-death state. He was then transferred to Jiangsu Zhouge Technology Company for further torment, before being moved to the Sunshine Shangdong community to create the false impression of a fall leading to his death. Ultimately, his body was secretly relocated to the cold storage in the basement of the 'Qihua Art Museum' located in the 798 Art District.

The case is interesting and I hope that the matter will be solved. It goes into many many directions and thank you @meadow_wind for pointing the case out.

For a President, and a country as big as China, the whole media apparatus would not receive as much "care" than weapons (or else); it would be secondary, almost irrelevant. Some "side" entity. It could be that it was left unsupervized and that people inside did a bit what they pleased. What is taking place there is no different than Hollywood, it seems. We would need to raise our vision a bit above the whole and we could figure out a big international stuff indiscriminatedly spanning structures.

In addition, it is logical that people who are today under the spotlight - are CCP members. If the whole country is run by authoritarian Communism, every powerful person would be a CCP member. It's just a card, after all, it's tempting to remain at this "front": we would still need to figure out how those things played out.

There is pathology to be still found "behind". So this pathology could be inherent to the CCP (unsolved ideological flaws), or psychopaths (some foreign export of the negative "Hollywoodian model"). I keep room for the fact that Communism has been labelled "a macrosocial disease", by A. Lobaczewski. Communism acts like a powerful magnet for pathological infiltration.

What we are looking at could be "China cleansing the pathological infiltration before it roots & spreads"; the second article hints at a process already rooted because of the whole "Jiangsu Zhouge Tech Company" aspect (casual "plastinization" of people).

 

[palestine]

Affaire Yu Menglong : une galerie d’art pékinoise au cœur du mystère (FRENCH)

The Yu Menglong case continues to escalate, with growing calls to uncover the truth. The actor composed an acrostic poem during a live broadcast. He concluded his poem with the line: Death can actually be very artistic. His last public appearance was at the 798 CUBE art museum in Beijing.

On September 23, during a live broadcast, British medium Ty William revealed that Yu Menglong's spirit appeared to him in a vision, showing him a building resembling a warehouse. According to the medium's interpretation, Yu Menglong's spirit hoped he could reveal the truth to the world, so that the people still detained in the warehouse could be saved.

In the vision, Yu Menglong recounted that a group of evil people was using the warehouse to imprison and massacre numerous victims, including celebrities. Victims who were able to resist this treatment were locked in basements or even in cages. This group was supported by a powerful "dark force."

In this vision, Yu Menglong also mentioned that a warehouse was hiding missing persons and that Chinese officials were involved in child and human trafficking.

Previously, a netizen from Hebei mentioned this place in a post: "At 798 CUBE, there is a basement, a large warehouse, comparable to the execution rooms of the ten great tortures of the Qing Dynasty, used against those who do not obey."

Following the outbreak of the Yu Menglong affair, rumors about Qiao Renliang's incomplete body resurfaced.

Among the exhibits, nine photos of a human skeleton were published on September 6th in the 798CUBE discussion section of the Chinese app Gaode Map.

Through various analyses and cross-checks, netizens discovered that the head characteristics of this skeleton appeared extremely similar to those of actor Qiao Renliang, who belonged to the same agency as Yu Menglong. Qiao Renliang died tragically in 2016. Netizens suspect that this is part of Qiao Renliang's remains, as he appeared to be missing an arm at the time.

Regarding the transformation of bodies into exhibits, Li Dayu explained that this preservation technology has existed for a long time.

When the CCP began persecuting Falun Gong in 1999, Bo Xilai, a member of Jiang's faction, established a corpse processing factory in Dalian, where he was then stationed. He used the technique of plastination to preserve the appearance of the bodies and turn them into exhibits.

At the time, it was suspected that many of these bodies came from Falun Gong practitioners who had been persecuted to death.

It came to me one day that the whole Fallun Gong was not something super STO.

Here, we see the theory of "persecution of Fallun Gong practicionners". But it would be a wrong road, because "Fallun Gong" becomes "the good guy" in the equation. Ii shows that the "theory" requires refining.

But the Yu Menglong affair has awakened them, and they are now rationally boycotting the real enemy: the Chinese communist regime.

I highlighted the orange quote before, and I added this last chunk to show that things may not be that black & white. This last phrase just buries all good things that we know pertain to China. The orange quote may be right in the sense "who do not obey" - but, to whom? To the author "it's the CCP, of course". One can see that "The enemy has been found", "nothing additional" to see. Meanwhile, it has been decades since we get those "elite pedo rings" popping up everywhere. But here, "it's China", "it's the CCP" - "eliminate China and the world is safe from evil". I would rather look at China having a "share" of those "things", and that we would need to figure out how bad it is.

 

[Keit]

I've been following this case from the beginning, and actually still have a draft of a new thread about it on the forum. But I decided to leave it and just wait and watch, because there was a lot of charged and conflicting information, while some of it was dismissed as fake. It is also possible to see that there is an agenda in spreading this kind of information, so better to approach with caution. Here are my thoughts.

I don't think you seem to grasp the situation here.
It is the government (someone very powerful in or close to the government) who is burying the whole case, bribing police and other officials, tampering/erasing evidence, and censoring everyone online under penalty of, at the best, your online account gets shut down, at the worst, it's jail time.

Yes, the official police report said that it was a suicide and there was no criminal component, and the case is closed at the moment.

Also 10 days later the police detained 3 women who were spreading false allegations online.

Beijing police detain three women for making false allegations about actor Yu Menglong’s death

The 37-year-old Chinese artiste fell from a residential building in Beijing on Sept 11 after consuming alcohol. Read more at straitstimes.com. Read more at straitstimes.com.

www.straitstimes.com

The data they shared was picked up by the Western "anti-China" bloggers, and only some of them made their own research and proved the data to be fake. It includes voice and video recordings.

And it's true that Chinese officials were scraping a lot of data like this and deleting conversations. It could be a proof of censoring. Censoring is a very real thing in China, no point denying it, but sometimes it's important to understand the intent.

It could be hiding the truth, but it could also be preventing an intentional spreading of false information in order to instigate an unrest. Remember what the C's said about Chinese response during covid times. The measures were undeniably draconian, but they had a real reason behind them.

From what I found out, in China, there is no such thing as independent artists. The law requires them to be signed by an agency that manages their career. There are very few exceptions to this. One such exception is actor/signer Bai JingTing: he opened up his own talent agency and hired himself...

Yes, it's true. And in many cases artists and actors really suffer. There are no unions, and the entertainment world in China resembles old times Hollywood, where you are a sort of a slave to the agency if you want to become a star. There are all kind of situations, really. Some are better, some are worse.

If you want to learn more about this, look into Zhao Lusi and how her agency treated her. She is considered to be one of the leading actresses in China, but she had a breakdown due to being overworked (probably even a stroke).

It's also true that there are exceptions. For example, Liu Yuning is not tied up with any agency and still manages. He is considered a unicorn in Chinese ET world. Probably because of his background. He doesn't come from "showbiz" environment. If you are interested, you can watch a video, starting from this particular time stamp. This lady worked in China ET business, so she knows how it works from inside. She explains how the actors world and education in China work, and why Liu Yuning is unique and is able to hold his own.

Back to Yu Menlong: this young man was an actor who signed up with a talent agency named Tianyu Media in 2013. He was 25 years old back then. That particular agency seems to be run by shady, evil people (snakes in suits), so young aspiring artists don't have a clue about what's awaiting them. And as Huila quoted in her post, there is this cultural thing about finding a sponsor and being "submissive/obedient"...

Yes, things like this definitely happen. I saw a video where a Chinese young starting male actor described things similar to what many actors described about how things worked in Hollywood.

Let's be clear on 2 things
- Even if those sources are questionable, the facts remain the same: the video of him being tortured is real, his voice has been identified, and this murder is by no means an anti-China propaganda made-up story; it is quite real.

It's important to note that social media in China is like a jungle, especially when it comes to all kind of celebrity news, and all kind of hidden camera videos, or any sort of data. Absolutely everything can be faked, AI generated in a very skilled way. There are constantly all kind of scandals going on, or paparazzi images shared, or pictures taken by crazy fans. Not to mention fan fiction about celebrities that can be presented in a very convincing way.

So it's not possible to say for sure that these videos are real. As I mentioned above, I looked into it for awhile and saw videos that explained that various recordings were dismissed as fakes, because later they were proven to be recordings of some other event from the covid times, and another video was dismissed because the time stamp on it didn't correspond to the "timeline" that was made by the Chinese or other "netizens", and then shared everywhere.

I stopped following it closely because I saw that various English speaking channels were repeating all kind of information, including the info that was proven as fake, so there was no point looking into it, since it is apparent that they didn't do their own independent research. And I didn't have time to find the ones who actually make an effort and their own research.

It would be so awesome if we had someone who spoke Chinese, who could actually spend time looking at the original discussions to see what they really said and shared. But then it would also take a lot of time. It would be a colossal effort by now.

- People reporting on negative things happening in China doesn't automatically equal Western propaganda: there are quite a lot of negative or dark things happening down there.

This is very true. It is actually true to every country and every corner on this planet. There is no country on this planet that has no negative and dark things happening there. I think it is very important to remember. Yes, it's important to expose it, just like it's important to expose what Israel is doing, for example.

But considering my own personal perspective based on where I come from (in this case Russia), I am weary of the so called "opposition fighters" or "truth spreader" YT channels, because they could be funded by someone from the West, just like in case of Navalny in Russia. And they are the ones who create and share myriad of "justice to Yu Menglong" videos.

Navalny and co. often shared somewhat accurate information, but with their own slant. Or they took information that could be interpreted in different ways, and chose to interpret it in their own way. What they said rang true because there IS corruption in Russia, and a lot of things ARE happening, no doubt about it. But their INTENT was to subvert and prepare the ground for color revolution. That's why they got funds from their masters.

I'm sorry, but this case has nothing to do with geopolitics, and geopolitics are not needed in the context either, at least not initially.

Personally I wouldn't dismiss geopolitics. You spent a lot of time at compiling various data and was able to present that there are supposed connections to other killings/murders/accidents. But only now these events are being shared and are gaining momentum. And it's possible to see that in the West they are being heavily promoted by the "anti-China" English speaking bloggers.

I saw videos that even mentioned supposed connection between Kirk assassination and CCP in relation to Yu Menglong murder. The same bloggers say that this scandal is China's 9/11, and it could be the final straw to topple the CCP. It's like they are firing in all directions and hope that some of them will hit.

There are a lot of things happening now related to China, so it's not impossible to presume that certain parties would take one event and would run with it and use it to present a certain idea, optics, etc. In Russia it is called "loosen a screw". As in, sooner or later it would fall.

My final thoughts are that I really hope that this case of a horrible abuse and torture is a fabrication. It is still very sad if it is a "simple" suicide case. Because it is still a tragedy. Maybe that's why I prefer to be cautious for now, because the alternative is so disturbing and so dark, it really bothers me. It's also very possible that there were some shady things going on. That it isn't a simple suicide. That he was "helped" in some way. I am not questioning any of that.

What I find questionable is the intent behind sharing all this information in the way it is being shared on all the "opposition" YT channels. The information that is being shared is so horrific that most of the comments are very emotional (naturally). It's a normal emotional response. But considering how things work in our world, especially online, it's best to consider that it could be intentional in order to illicit strong emotional response that could be modified/manipulated to fit whatever purposes .

There is no doubt that such things are happening in our world all the time. But there are also a lot of questionable things happening, so better to keep this in mind. Maybe it's worth asking the C's about, don't know.

 

[seek10]

In any country (under whatever the label that was sold to the masses - democracy/dictatorship, capitalism/communism or some where in between) power corrupts and absolute power corrupts more. The showbiz business naturally attracts lot of psychos. If that is the way it happened in China ( every body has to go through agencies, shell companies for money laundering under some celebrity name, some corrupt party leaders expecting percentages and so on), it won't be exclusive to China. It happened much worst way in the West, though it is supposed to be free society, democracy and so on. All this 9 yards of Zionism, Epstein, pedophilia and funding the entire establishment through banks for decades exist for a long time in the Western world.

It is quite possible some form of it is happening in China too and this incident triggered Chinese normies and decided to do what is in their hand (boycotting these celebrities). That introduces damage control, triggers forces against China and most in-between normies who tries to figure out themselves naturally tries to fill the gap. In this incident, it is the normal Chinese reaction and govt. banning related events (like strange cloud phenomenon, storms etc.) is indicative of Crime. I don't mean to judge (all or nothing) based on the single incident, but this incident seems to pale to what is happening in the west.

I found the following insightful.

The words of Professor Jiang Xueqin (resident of Beijing) come to mind:

"I've been trying for the past 30 years and I'll be very honest with you. I've been able to think, write and teach as I deem fit. And a lot of it is because I choose not to get rich in China. So in China, if you want to get rich, you have to submit your will to the party. You have to find a power a powerful political patron. That person will sponsor you. But then of course, you have to become obedient to that person. And that's how the system works. If you're going to become rich, you have to play ball. But if you don't become rich like me, if you're like, I don't really care. I just want to have intellectual freedom, then China can be one of the freest places on Earth. And that sounds very strange and paradoxical, but it is true. And and you you can tell from my essays on Substack, you can tell from my lectures in the classroom. As long as I choose not to get rich, as long as I choose not to monetize my fame, people will leave me alone in China. But if I became a millionaire, then people are going to come knock on my door and says, "Hey, where's my cut?" And that's a situation in China."

 

[meadow_wind]

@Keit Thanks a lot for taking the time to write this post. It's very insightful. I'm happy to see there were other people on the forum aware of this event, way before I was. I agree with most of what you said. You seem well-informed about China.

I do know Zhao Lusi and Liu Yunning from watching the C-Drama "The Story of Pearl Girl". I had already looked into the Bio of Liu Yunning because each time I heard him sing, I felt touched in some way or another, so I was wondering why, and wow... this guy is something! He is a model of resilience and passion. And I've heard a bit about Zhao Lusi's background and struggles.

p.s. The Avaaz petition reached 516,637 signatures!

Absolutely everything can be faked, AI generated in a very skilled way. There are constantly all kind of scandals going on, or paparazzi images shared, or pictures taken by crazy fans. Not to mention fan fiction about celebrities that can be presented in a very convincing way.

100%

It would be so awesome if we had someone who spoke Chinese, who could actually spend time looking at the original discussions to see what they really said and shared. But then it would also take a lot of time. It would be a colossal effort by now.

I've been learning Mandarin since Nov 2024, but I've only reached HSK1 or 2. It's a tough one to learn!
One day I'll be able to help with that stuff... In 2-3 years maybe

When there are Mandarin subtitles, I'm able to process them with Grok or GPT for a more accurate translation than Google Translate, especially for homophone wordplay or local expressions.

I'm not going to spend too much time on this topic in the future, but the videos I'm watching at the moment come from these YouTube channels:
- www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPW3_Buj0_k
- www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqUwUi9BRu0

Then I'll look a bit into this channel
- www.youtube.com/channel/UCTDHWLGOFOWaUYH4_2eu9Pg/videos

What's being said in the 2nd video listed is that he was taken from his apartment, brought to the Bulhari Hotel's spa area. That's where the torture took place. Later, the group transferred him to Jiangsu Zhouge Technology Company to continue the torture (he was half dead by then). They then transported him to the Sunshine Upper East Community to create the illusion of falling.

I don't know if those channels are reliable or not. I'll prompt Grok to see if he's able to dig subscribers' opinions on them.

It's like they are firing in all directions and hope that some of them will hit.

There are a lot of things happening now related to China, so it's not impossible to presume that certain parties would take one event and would run with it and use it to present a certain idea, optics, etc. In Russia it is called "loosen a screw". As in, sooner or later it would fall.

What I find questionable is the intent behind sharing all this information in the way it is being shared on all the "opposition" YT channels.

My guess is that something horrible did happen, and there are opportunistic people using it for geopolitical purposes.

Maybe it's worth asking the C's about, don't know.

I would say that it deserves at least 1 or 2 questions, but I don't know if other members would find it pertinent. It does seem to fit in the trend of geopolitical questions that are usually being asked.

I would at least clarify the circumstances of death.
If it's not accidental or suicide (which everyone doubts it is), and it is a murder, I would ask about the motive(s).
Depending on the answer, that could lead in different directions, such as who ordered the murder.

The current motive allegations are "silencing him because he uncovered the money laundering scheme" and "black magic/shamanistic rituals". It could also be just for fun or something orchestrated by the PTB for geopolitical purposes.

 

[palestine]

I had a dream, one day. I related it here

(Not) funny to see a match, several months later.

The question could be if this event can trigger negative consequences on a wide scope. I can see that China faces internal trouble. We don't know the extent of it. Is the govt badly affected? If so, chances are that all their efforts could be turned upside down. If not, China would sort things out internally. But, if really serious, all the BRICS structure could be affected (etc)

Another scenario which comes to mind would be to see citizen starting a revolution, toppling Xi, and having a puppet put in power by psychopaths.

 

[palestine]

It could be some of you remember that expo of plastinized human bodies. It was back in 1995. They came to Zürich, for instance, but I did not go to it. Everybody was saying "oh, this is science" etc but it was a bit "new" at the same time. A bit disturbing.

Thing is

I may be conflating dates, people, etc - but if I read the recent info correctly, here it is:

Today, we learn that 14 years prior to this '95 expo, the wife of a powerful Chinese guy was allegedly killed by him - and plastinized. She was "the pregnant lady with her foetus" in the above-mentionned expo.

This would represent quite a bad karma, and for afficionados - quite a bit of pathology in free wheels.

30 years later (!), such pathology would have surely matured.

If all the dates etc are correct, I would be very cautious about China, because indeed, something would be up behind the surface.

If those guys were onto such things 30 years ago - and that it's only today that we learn about it - what in the world would those guys have been brewing meanwhile? Smileys & a citizen-friendly social credit system? Hmmmm

I like Xi and China - but here we may have a problem. If all the story is true, one should not vengeance-plastinize people - and internationally "tour them" (alledging that those are people who accepted to do that for science). It would rather be the desecration of the Goddess (and much more).

"would", "if", "may"

Those things are gruesome. I hope it's not true because it is really low-level.

 

[meadow_wind]

@Keit I just found another odd coincidence... Do you know anyone else on the forum who could make sense of this?
@Laura ?

Charlie Kirk
Time of Fatal Injury (Shooting)
12:23 p.m., Sept 10, 2025
18:23 UTC, Sept 10, 2025

Yu Menglong
Time of Fall and Death
5:00 a.m., Sept 11, 2025
21:00 UTC, Sept 10, 2025


Let's pretend Yu Menlong was killed before the fall. Maybe around 2 am. What would that be in UTC time?
2:00 a.m. CST on September 11, 2025, would be 18:00 UTC on September 10, 2025.

Both deaths were extremely publicized, and both occurred almost at the same time on the same day.
Were the same people behind both deaths? Could Israel have commissioned the murder of this Actor for geopolitical purposes?
Are there any ritualistic meaning behind the date and time?

 

[axj]

In any country (under whatever the label that was sold to the masses - democracy/dictatorship, capitalism/communism or some where in between) power corrupts and absolute power corrupts more.

Is that always the case though? There may not be many counter-examples: Putin seems to be one and even some of the absolute monarchs or Roman emperors appear to have done a good job. Xi Jinping actually does appear to be of a similar caliber as Putin.