3600 Year Cycle: Where's the evidence?

[Rick]

I'm not sure if this is the right forum to post this, but it seems close enough. Now, I work in a scientific environment among scientists who study climate change. I have co-authored many papers on the subject as well. I also work with geologists so what this means is that I need to be more rigorous in accepting the idea that there's a 3600 year cycle before I go about confronting scientists with this idea that we suffer cataclysisms at periodic intervals (though I don't deny this is the case). In fact, I work at a radiocarbon dating facility. According to current geologic records of the past 13000 years or so here are the known dates of abrupt changes in climate:

RC = Radiocarbon date before present (BP)
BC = Before Common era (calibrated with OxCal v 3.10)

12800 RC = 13000 BC
8200 RC = 7200 BC
5200 RC = 4000 BC
4200 RC = 2850 BC
3800 RC = 2200 BC

These dates come with errors within +/- 200 years at most.

Now, I don't see a 3600 year cycle per se. If you take the average difference you get 2600 years. My question is where did the 3600 year cycle that the Cassiopaeans state come from and how does it reconcile with these dates?

For a reference, I include a link to Harvey Weiss of Yale U. I'd include a paleoclimate reference but this is the most interesting as it relates to human civilization:
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc052301.html

"The earliest Holocene abrupt climate changes occurred at 12,800, 8200, 5200,
and 4200 B.P. The 4200 B.P. abrupt climate change is especially well
documented across West Asia, Central Asia, Africa, and parts of the New
World. Limnological and speleothem radiometric dates situate the beginning
of this event at ca. 3800 radiocarbon years before 1950 (3.8 ka bp) or ca.
2200 B.C. High resolution paleoclimate records, including the Greenland Ice
Sheet Project 2 (GISP2) ice core, Lake Van varve sediments, and U.S.
Southwest dendrochronology now also provide absolute calendar dating for
this event in addition to quantification of its amplitude relative to prior
and succeeding climate states. Social adaptations to this event are recorded
in the contemporary archaeological records of southeastern Europe, North
Africa, and West Asia: habitat-tracking, regional population abandonments,
migrations, and sociopolitical collapse."

-Rick

 

[Mr. Premise]

Just a quick reply off the top of my head: I believe the C's mentioned a 3600 year cycle of cometary bombardment. Those can have climatic effect (from the dust kicked up) but those effects can be separate from larger cycles of climate change.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Well, if there is a 3600 cycle (there may be other cycles as well), we would get the following years:

1600 BC
5200 BC
8800 BC
12400 BC
16000 BC
19600 BC

Evidence for the first date is in the form of evidence gathered from dendrochronology, presented in Mike Baillie's book "From Exodus to Arthur" relating to the Santorini eruption.

Yoshiyuki Fujii and Okitsugu Watanabe's "Microparticle Concentration And Electrical Conductivity of A 700 m Ice Core from Mizuho Station Antarctic" published in Annals of Glaciology (1-, 1988) pp. 38-42, demonstrate that "large scale environmental changed possibly occurred in the Southern Hemisphere in the middle of the Holocene. (Within the last 10,000 years). Their depth profiles of microparticle concentration, electrical conductivity and Oxygen 18 at circa 1600 BC indicates a spike in readings for all of these elements. The evidence shows that this disturbance covered this designated period, but with a "huge spike" at c. 1600 B.C.

Similar evidence from the same source article exists at 5200 BC. This period shows a less severe but similar period. The oxygen 18 profile is close to normal, but there is a visible volcanic dirt band. The dating of this segment is less close because it is clear that nobody is really looking for this cycle, but it appears to correspond to the ash band from the Byrd station core. [ cf. G. Cope Schellhorn, Ph.D.:Evidence of Cyclical Earth Changes, from When Men are Gods] In an article in Nature, November 1980, C.U. Hammer, H. B. Clausen and Dansgaard date a disturbance from the Camp Century ice core to 5470 BC +/- 120 years. This compares to the proposed Hekla eruption which was radiocarbon dated to 5450 BC +/- 190 years. There is an appreciably high acidity signal at these sections of the core which indicates a high level of volcanic activity - again, right at the 3600 year cycle mark.

Looking further: Michel R. Legrand and Robert J. Delmas of Laboratoire de Glaciologie et Geophysique de l'Environment published an article "Soluble Impurities in Four Antarctic Ice Cores Over the Last 30,000 Years" [Annals of Glaciology (10, 1988, pp 116-120)]. In which they graphed the Oxygen 18 variations and the ionic components Na,NH 4 and Ca2 and H and Cl and NO3 and SO4. The time scale for each ionic component level as well as the O18 levels stretches back 30,000 years. The graph shows correlations to spikes at 5,200 BC, 8,800 BC, 12,400 BC, c. 16,000 BC, c. 19,600 BC. All of these were times of great geologic stress.

The evidence for the 5200 BC event is strong in the Dome C core. The 8,800 BC event is well marked - in fact, seems to be the strongest of them all. Keep in mind that this was 10,800 years ago - exactly within the range of dates reported by Herodotus and Plato. The oxygen 18 isotope variation is noticeable, the rise in sea-salt, elevated levels of C1 and C1/Na. There is an extreme spike in SO4 and H readings suggesting widespread volcanic activity - great earth changes were happening at that time, and they registered in the climate, the oceans, and were preserved in ice.

The 12,400 BC event is also extremely pronounced in the cores. The graphs show a quick, vast change including the end of the Wisconsin Ice Age. This reminds us of our evidence of Nuclear Activity in Paleoindian Times presented in a previous chapter. There is a great Oxygen 18 isotope variation as well as peaks of Na and very pronounced spikes in Ca, SO 4 and H.

There is absolutely no question that the Santorini event occurred. The acid signal in the ice core is very strong. Which means that there is very little question about when it occurred. Something very unusual and specific happened then, starting in 1644, and culminating in a major cataclysm, and it seems that it walked all over the Aegean and Anatolian area, leaving tracks that are impossible to miss.

Check out these two links:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/sitchin2.htm
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/meteors.htm
http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/adventures258.htm
http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/adventures259.htm

 

[Rick]

It looks to me like the 3600 year cycle was taken from very uncertain dates, in fact, from radiocarbon years and not calibrated dates. Thus, I may assume that the 3600 year cycle is just a rough estimate. Could be as little as 2600 or it could be as much as 4600.

 

[anart]

It looks to me like the 3600 year cycle was taken from very uncertain dates, in fact, from radiocarbon years and not calibrated dates. Thus, I may assume that the 3600 year cycle is just a rough estimate. Could be as little as 2600 or it could be as much as 4600.

Hi Rick, since I'm ignorant when it comes to calibarated dating - is it possible for you to explain what you mean by this? I do understand the problems with 'radiocarbon years', I'm just not sure exactly what calibrated dating entails. It may be that explaining it would be a complicated endeavor, and if so, don't worry about it; I'm just trying to understand the whole picture.

Thanks

 

[Ryan]

Just a quick reply off the top of my head: I believe the C's mentioned a 3600 year cycle of cometary bombardment. Those can have climatic effect (from the dust kicked up) but those effects can be separate from larger cycles of climate change.

Yep. Also, Laura has good section in "Secret History" about why relying on radiocarbon dating might not be the best idea. Dendochronology and ice-core sampling might be more useful. OSIT.

 

[jar]

Hi,

Here's an excerpt from the transcripts...
...
Q: Okay. We will. (A) Carbon dating. Is it incorrect by a factor of two prior to 10,000 years as L has suggested? We observe a factor of 2 variation in the scientific dating versus your
dating. This is a repeating phenomenon on nearly all dates you have given.
A: "They" fail to take into effect the influence of magnetic aberrations caused by ancient cataclysms.
Q: (L) How can these magnetic aberrations affect radiocarbon dating?
A: By altering the isotopal imprints of matter.
Q: So, the cataclysm of about 1500 B.C....
A: All of them scramble the radiological data because of magnetic surges.
...

 

[palestine]

There exists a 3600 periodical cycle, potentially triggering civilizational downfalls.

Volcanoes, Earthquakes And The 3,600 Year Comet Cycle ​

... the evidence suggests that a comet (or cometary swarm) interacted with Earth ca. 14,400 BP, 10,800 BP, 7,200 BP and 3,600 BP.

BP​	BCE​
14400​	-12450​
10800​	-8850​
7200​	-5250​
3600​	-1650​

That is to say, on a 3,600-year cycle, meaning that we are due a repeat performance around now.

Next mathematical date would be:

0​

1950​

Could it be that the comet shower already passed by? This is unlikely because each time, it has been causing widespread consequences. But I don't know:

Volcanoes, Earthquakes And The 3,600 Year Comet Cycle

It seems the 3,600 year cometary cycle exhibits variable intensity. The 14,400 and 7,200 BP events were quite intense temperature-wise while the 10,800 and the 3,600 BP events were more minor.

In addition, this 3600 cometary cycle does not exactly follow a mathematical pattern, because those are motions bound to the Universe, and we may want to remain flexible in our appreciation of time.

For instance, the moment of the 3600 year cycle at -1650 - features several dates:

-1628
Independence Day

Thus, we understand that it is not this Twin sun that makes its "appearance" at each period of catastrophe. Nevertheless, the analyses of the periodic comets suggests that it does, at very long periods, again and again, crash through the Oort cloud like a bowling ball through rows of pins, sending a new collection of them spinning into a periodical orbit, and because of the laws of celestial mechanics, they establish various sub-orbits, including a major bombardment at what appears to be a 3,600 year interval, the last one of which occurred around 1628 BC.

-1620
Volcanoes, Earthquakes And The 3,600 Year Comet Cycle

we can see a spike (140 ppm) in sulfate concentration (...) 1620 BC SO4 spike

-1600
Volcanoes, Earthquakes And The 3,600 Year Comet Cycle

Chinese annals appear to have recorded something akin to a close cometary passage at the time of the 1600 BC events

-1588
Session 5 October 1994

Q: (L) Now, this cluster of comets, when was the last time it came into the solar system?

A: 3582 yrs ago?

Q: (L) What is the cycle?

A: 3600 yrs.

So, 1650 up to 1588 entails 62 years. I know that this is not very scientific, but we may thus extend this "fork" in regard of 1950 (due mathematical coming of the cycle):

1950 + 62 = 2012

Still, nothing happened! Kind of ... late in comparison.

Meteorite count shows an increase:

Fireball Stats

I am wondering if this increase is due to the 3600 cycle, or to the anthropocosmic connection (or else!):

Review: "Earth Changes and the Human-Cosmic Connection"

a strong correlation between periods of authoritarian oppression with catastrophic and cosmically-induced natural disasters.

Earth Changes and the Human-Cosmic Connection is a ground-breaking attempt to re-connect modern science with ancient understanding that the human mind and states of collective human experience can influence cosmic and earthly phenomena.

a human-cosmic connection is not merely the product of some person's imagination, but a serious subject worthy of consideration supported by the observable phenomena and facts of the world today and the past.

Actually this concept was something probably understood by the ancients, but society as a whole, and the rulers of society, have had motivation to suppress and forget it, especially during periods relatively free of catastrophes.

The great global change game: Our civilization is headed for the fate of the Bronze Age - destruction

It came in 1177 BC, and then it came again in Rome between 410 and 540 AD, following the same pattern. There were mini-cycles along the way, but those were the two biggies of the past 5000 years, I think

civilization-enders followed by dark ages.

Dark Ages and Inquisitions, Ancient and Modern - Or Why Things are Such a Mess On Our Planet and Humanity is on the Verge of Extinction

Imperialism is always a bad sign. The chief characteristic of pathological deviants, psychopaths in particular, is that they always want to pull the "big con," to take what belongs to others, has been rightfully earned or worked for by others, and do it without working themselves, by psychologically and emotionally manipulating others to get it for them, or taking it by force. In large arenas such as politics, this is known as "Imperialism."

Planet-X, Comets and Earth Changes by J.M. McCanney

Life is religion. Life experiences reflect how one interacts with God.

Petty wars and the use of resources to fight these wars can have only only possible result ... and nature in its own time and manner will repay those species ... collectively ... who fail to control their leaders who promote these wars. (p. 103)

This shows nature's plan of radical change through violence as with floods, forest fires, etc., and must be her way of assuring the continual mixing of the elements by random events allowing life to flourish and change. ("3-Part Comet Paper" Part III, p. 49)

It seems that we are rather late for the upcoming 3600 year cometary cycle. C's said that this one will occur with the Wave. This may imply restrictions / exacerbations at many level that I am not qualified to think of:

Session 3 August 1996

A: And we have spoken of the comet cluster before, and we have told you that this time, it rides the Wave.

Session 26 November 1994

Q: (L) You have told us through this source, that there is a cluster of comets connected in some interactive way with our solar system, and that this cluster of comets comes into the plane of the ecliptic every 3600 years. Is this correct?

A: Yes. But, this time it is riding realm border wave to 4th level, where all realities are different.

Q: (L) Okay, so the cluster of comets is riding the realm border wave. Does this mean that when it comes into the solar system, that its effect on the solar system, or the planets within the solar system, (Jan or us), may or may not be mitigated by the fact of this transition? Is this a mitigating factor?

A: Will be mitigated.

 

[axj]

There exists a 3600 periodical cycle, potentially triggering civilizational downfalls.

Keep in mind that about 470 phantom years were added in the first millenium AD, according to the C's and other evidence. This makes BC dating rather murky, eg. the last 3600 years comet cluster visit would have been around 2100 BC and 5700 BC, 9300 BC, 12900 BC before that.

The last comet cluster bombardment may have been the 4.2 kiloyear event around 2100-2200 BC:

4.2-kiloyear event - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Then there is also the issue of "time confusion due to cataclysms" making precise dating difficult, according to the C's. The last two major cataclysms were the Younger Dryas one apparently in about 10700-10900 BC and the "Exodus cataclysm" which tilted the Earth axis by 20 degrees more recently.

 

[palestine]

Thank you for the precisions

This makes BC dating rather murky

I think I got it:

BP dating considers 1950 as a starting point. When they started that (I suppose in 1950), they were probably in [1950-470] rather than in 1950.

This makes all BP dates (so my calculated BC dates) similarly discrepant.

Well - I find this logical. Aren't we to consider this in a more absolute way? It seems objective,

Thanks for the reminder!

 

[seek10]

There exists a 3600 periodical cycle, potentially triggering civilizational downfalls.

I wouldn't take 3600 years as a EXACT number. Given the so much travel distance and interaction happen in the chaotic solar journey and now Wave in the picture, quite a few things can change. Even 2% difference is 72 years. But, IMO, it is VERY good approximation. We are not even talking about one object. Lot of objects in spirograph pattern. For us to even see the symptom and measure it on the planet, at least one piece has to interact with us. In the context of one comet, C's already said its relative ( brother/cousin or some thing like that) will hit. In that context, we can easily say, we are in the middle of it.

I tend to think multiple sources and there is a crazy interaction between them to change the orbits.
- 3600 year cycle one
- Giant comet disintegration one.

To make things complex, there human consciousness component about which we know nothing.

 

[palestine]

@seek10 Yes it would be nice to know more about the principles of the anthropocosmic connection!

I know of one quote:

Behind the Headlines: Earth changes in an electric universe: Is climate change really man-made?

Pierre: When you look at historic records, for example the period of time between the fall of the Roman empire, 6th century AD and the black death, 14th century AD, if you remove the blank where there was almost no activity in Europe that lasted about three centuries, it means that in about four centuries civilization in Europe managed to recover, develop and trigger one more cycle of destruction because of probably the crusades, the inquisition and other abuses of this kind. So it gives you an idea of the situation. In only a few centuries, managed to recreate everything and to trigger the high magnitude of destruction.

This quote gives me the idea that "much turmoil" is required to trigger the "anthropocosmic comet". Something like a big crusade, spanning some decades.

But it seems that we have already been on a very very low context, already triggering "tweaks" (as I understood, it was either a "program change", either "the Black Death"):

Session 17 August 2024

A: Program had to be changed to avoid mass violation of free will.

(...)

A: Violations of free will on that scale are similar to violations of gravity in your realm.

Session 23 November 2024

A: The imbalance was so severe that the STS side risked a severe violation of free will at a level that would have resulted in necessary degaussing from natural factors of balance.

Q: (L) So they were too dirty and devious.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) They did too much for too long and they really violated the free will of the people on this planet.

A: Yes.

Q: (Niall) It's like trying to break a natural law, or something. It's too much.

Session 29 July 2023

(Adobe) Okay. On that question, they often answer, and I'm thinking specifically right now of... It was asked, "is the next real pandemic possibly gonna happen in two months?" The answer was no. "Is it going to happen within two years?" "Yes." And two years passed, so somebody brought it up, and there is regularly something like that, where the Cs will answer with a time reference that we understand (like "within two years") and then, it doesn't happen. So if they know our time reference, why would they even answer that? Why wouldn't they just allude from it and say, you know, wait and see? But they say, like that last time, "within two years", and it doesn't happen within two years. I'm kind of left with "wait for the other shoe to drop." Is there something we should be learning here?

(L) Well, I don't know which specific reference you're talking about. Do you, Niall?

(Niall) Yes. We asked about the likelihood of a plague, in the sense of the Black Death. And it was sometime in the mid-teens, they said "in 18 months to two years" or something like that. Well, there has not been a Black Death in that time period.

(L) Right. I don't know! Okay. What's the answer to that?

A: Reality is open and plans change. Sometimes we give answers to prevent calamity.

(...)

Q: (L) So you're saying that sometimes you tell us some things just to prevent it from happening, because you know they won't let it happen if you say it?

A: Yes

If i understood well, the Quorum operated a program change, because of the "treat":

Session 17 August 2024

Q: (Joe) And... but it was changed to avoid mass violation of free will. And who made the decision to change the program?

A: Quorum.

Even if C's go public about the introduction of a plague, and that it has the effect of stopping it, it does not alleviate the fact that the situation would be still requiring it (in term of balance).

---

Additional quote:

Session 24 June 2022

(Gaby) When the next plague arrives, will it be preceded by obvious cometary explosions?

A: Small ones.

 

[palestine]

the "Exodus cataclysm" which tilted the Earth axis by 20 degrees more recently.

Hello, I have been trying to learn more about this - especially in terms of pole shift, cold impacts: is there a thread where this specific matter has been discussed please?

Seems true that a 20° pole shift would be quite consequent. How far would it be relevant to study a bold "before" and bold "after"?

C's said that this was a slow process, so I assume that we wouldn't exactly find "bold" / abrupt changes. This indicates a different approach, but still implying consequent changes. What would those be? I am having troubles picturing anything.

You see - I don't know how to think about this. If anything comes to mind, I would be grateful for some ideas! That's if you have the time and / or, the will!

 

[axj]

Hello, I have been trying to learn more about this - especially in terms of pole shift, cold impacts: is there a thread where this specific matter has been discussed please?

It was discussed in the March 2014 session:

Q: (Pierre) Did the catastrophic events that occurred around 2300 BC modify the axial tilt of our planet?

A: Yes.

Q: (Pierre) How many degrees?

A: 20. Not in an "instant" but quickly enough taking scale into account.

The axial tilt changes and crustal slippage have been mostly discussed in the Troy and Atlantis threads.

C's said that this was a slow process, so I assume that we wouldn't exactly find "bold" / abrupt changes. This indicates a different approach, but still implying consequent changes. What would those be? I am having troubles picturing anything.

Since the axial tilt changed by 20 degrees around 2300 BC according to the C's, this would have been when the last visit of the 3600 years large comet cluster actually happened if the 470 added phantom years are taken into account.

The "before" would have been indeed quite different on Earth, as there would have been basically no seasons anywhere. The current tilt is 23 degrees, so minus 20 degrees means there was almost no tilt before the "Exodus cataclysm" about 3600 years ago.

 

[palestine]

Since the axial tilt changed by 20 degrees around 2300 BC according to the C's, this would have been when the last visit of the 3600 years large comet cluster actually happened if the 470 added phantom years are taken into account.

I see; if I refer to the following session:

Session 5 October 1994

Q: (L) You said the Exodus occurred in 2676 B.C., is that correct?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Was that the last passage of the cometary Venus?

A: Yes.

...

Q: (L) Now, the time of the passage of Venus was the time of the Exodus, is that correct? Was Venus a result of this cluster of comets?

A: Semi-stimulatad by gravitational pull.

Q: (L) Venus was stimulated by the gravitational pull?

A: Attracted.

Q: (L) Venus was drawn into the solar system by the gravitational pull of the cluster of comets?

A: Yes.

Unless I am miss-understanding something, the above quote shows that Venus has been attracted by the comet cluster. So, first, the comet cluster, then Venus.

Unless "close" (for the 2676 date) is a fork of 1000 years, I suppose that you are right, that we may add 470 years to -1650, setting the 3600 cycle, in terms of pure math, at -2120. But this does not make the cluster appear before Venus

Session 7 October 1994

Q: (L) You said that the Exodus occurred in 2676; is that B.C. or years ago?

A: B.C.

Q: (L) If the Exodus occurred in 2676 B.C., that is 4,670 years ago more or less, this would mean that this was not related to the comet cluster which came in 1588 B.C.

A: Correct.

A perplexity for me here, too, goes to the 20° as being a consequence of Venus, rather than one due to the comet cluster. I understand that it was Venus. (But still, comet(s) impacted).

The "before" would have been indeed quite different on Earth, as there would have been basically no seasons anywhere. The current tilt is 23 degrees, so minus 20 degrees means there was almost no tilt before the "Exodus cataclysm" about 3600 years ago.

Thank you very much for your comments! The season bit is the utmost interesting and intriguing.