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Propaganda alert! More anti-smoking shenanigans.

Speaking of shenanigans, I was reading some comments about the anti-smoking agenda on a blog that was provided by a whole leaf tobacco company. One of the bloggers mentioned a book by Robert N. Proctor named "The Nazi War on Cancer" (The full blog remarks can be read at _http://www.leafonly.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=267).

Some of the bloggers quotes:

Robert N. Proctor, in his new book "The Nazi War on Cancer" published by Princeton University Press turns a scholarly eye toward the question of
science and public health in a fascist context. At a moment in history where we have entered a phase of health hysteria, it is timely for scholars
to be doing this sort of examination.
"Robert Proctor is an outstanding historian of science and an outstanding historian of the Third Reich. By establishing Nazism's pioneering
contributions in the areas of preventive medicine, environmentalism, and public health, he takes us right to the heart of the most difficult
questions in the analysis of fascism. His treatment of smoking and cancer will be a revelation. This book troubles the politics and ethics of
historical interpretation in the very best ways."--Geoff Eley, author of Reshaping the German Right: Radical Nationalism and Political Change
after Bismarck.
"Racily and wittily written, Proctor's interesting book is a brilliant demonstration of how marginal the Nazi past has become to contemporary
health issues." --Michael Burleigh, author of Ethics and Extermination: Reflections on Nazi Genocide.
Think about this -- think long and hard. Whether you smoke or not, each time you support anti-tobacco, its philosophy and mentality, what it
stands for, the prohibition to smoke; when you feel "safe" and "relieved" because smokers are persecuted and kicked out of their rightful places,
you support the return of a cancer that took an uncountable number of lives to uproot -- and it will not stop with tobacco.
Do you think that it is worth it, just because you don't like the nice smell of a cigarette? The anti-tobacco campaign of the Nazis: a little known aspect of public health in Germany, 1933-45
Robert N Proctor
Historians and epidemiologists have only recently begun to explore the Nazi anti-tobacco movement. Germany had the world's strongest anti
smoking movement in the 1930s and early 1940s,encompassing bans on smoking in public spaces, bans on advertising,restrictions on tobacco
rations for women, and the world's most refined tobacco epidemiology, linking tobacco use with the already evident epidemic of lung cancer.
The anti-tobacco campaign must be understood against the backdrop of the Nazi quest for racial and bodily purity, which also motivated many
other public health efforts of the era.
Medical historians in recent years have done a great deal to enlarge our understanding of medicine and public health in Nazi Germany. We know
that about half of all doctors joined the Nazi party and that doctors played a major part in designing and administering the Nazi programmes of
forcible sterilisation, "euthanasia," and the industrial scale murder of Jews and gypsies.(1) (2) Much of our present day concern for the abuse of
humans used in experiments stems from the extreme brutality many German doctors showed towards concentration camp prisoners exploited
to advance the cause of German military medicine.(3)
Tobacco in the Reich
One topic that has only recently begun to attract attention is the Nazi anti-tobacco movement.(4-6) Germany had the world's strongest anti
smoking movement in the 1930s and early 1940s,supported by Nazi medical and military leaders worried that tobacco might prove a hazard to
the race.(1) (4)Many Nazi leaders were vocal opponents of smoking. Anti-tobacco activists pointed out that whereas Churchill, Stalin, and
Roosevelt were all fond of tobacco, the three major fascist leaders of Europe-Hitler, Mussolini, and Franco-were all non-smokers.(7) Hitler was
the most adamant,characterising tobacco as "the wrath of the Red Man against the White Man for having been given hard liquor." At one point
the Fuhrer even suggested that Nazism might never have triumphed in Germany had he not given up smoking.(8)
German smoking rates rose dramatically in the first six years of Nazi rule, suggesting that the propaganda campaign launched during those
early years was largely ineffective.(4) (5) German smoking rates rose faster even than those of France, which had a much weaker anti-tobacco
campaign. German per capita tobacco use between 1932 and 1939 rose from 570 to 900 cigarettes a year, whereas French tobacco
consumption grew from 570 to only 630 cigarettes over the same period.(9)
Smith et al suggested that smoking may have functioned as a kind of cultural resistance,(4) though it is also important to realise that German
tobacco companies exercised a great deal of economic and political power, as they do today. German anti-tobacco activists frequently
complained that their efforts were no match for the "American style" advertising campaigns waged by the tobacco industry.(10) German cigarette
manufacturers neutralised early criticism-for example, from the SA(Sturm-Abteilung; stormtroops), which manufactured its
own"Sturmzigaretten"-by portraying themselves as early and eager supporters of the regime.(11) The tobacco industry also launched several
new journals aimed at countering anti-tobacco propaganda. In a pattern that would become familiar in the United States and elsewhere after the
second world war, several of these journals tried to dismiss the anti-tobacco movement as "fanatic"and "unscientific." One such journal featured
the German word for science twice in its title (Der Tabak: Wissenschaftliche Zeitschrift der International en Tabakwissenschaftlichen Gesellschaft,
founded in 1940).
We should also realise that tobacco provided an important source of revenue for the national treasury. In 1937-8 German national income from
tobacco taxes and tariffs exceeded 1 billion Reichsmarks.(12) By 1941, as a result of new taxes and the annexation of Austria and Bohemia,
Germans were paying nearly twice that. According to Germany's national accounting office, by 1941 tobacco taxes constituted about one twelfth
of the government's entire income.(13) Two hundred thousand Germans were said to owe their livelihood to tobacco-an argument that was
reversed by those who pointed to Germany's need for additional men in its labour force, men who could presumably be supplied from the
tobacco industry.(14)
Culmination of the campaign: 1939-41
German anti-tobacco policies accelerated towards the end of the 1930s,and by the early war years tobacco use had begun to decline. The
Luftwaffe banned smoking in 1938 and the post office did likewise.Smoking was barred in many workplaces, government offices, hospitals,and
rest homes. The NSDAP (National sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) announced a ban on smoking in its offices in 1939, at which time SS
chief Heinrich Himmler announced a smoking ban for all uniformed police and SS officers while on duty.(15) The Journal of the American Medical
Association that year reported Hermann Goering's decree barring soldiers from smoking on the streets, on marches, and on brief off duty
periods.(16) Sixty of Germany's largest cities banned smoking on street cars in 1941.(17) Smoking was banned in air raid shelters-though some
shelters reserved separate rooms for smokers.(18) During the war years tobacco rationing coupons were denied to pregnant women (and to all
women below the age of 25) while restaurants and cafes were barred from selling cigarettes to female customers.(19) From July 1943 it was
illegal for anyone under the age of 18 to smoke in public.(20) Smoking was banned on all German city trains and buses in 1944, the initiative
coming from Hitler himself,who was worried about exposure of young female conductors to tobacco smoke.(21) Nazi policies were heralded as
marking"the beginning of the end" of tobacco use in Germany.(14)
German tobacco epidemiology by this time was the most advanced in the world. Franz H Muller in 1939 and Eberhard Schairer and Erich
Schoniger in 1943 were the first to use case-control epidemiological methods to document the lung cancer hazard from cigarettes.(22) (23)
Muller concluded that the "extraordinary rise in tobacco use" was "the single most important cause of the rising incidence of lung cancer."(22)
Heart disease was another focus and was not infrequently said to be the most serious illness brought on by smoking.(24) Late in the war
nicotine was suspected as a cause of the coronary heart failure suffered by a surprising number of soldiers on the eastern front. A 1944 report
by an army field pathologist found that all 32 young soldiers whom he had examined after death from heart attack on the front had been
"enthusiastic smokers." The author cited the Freiburg pathologist Franz Buchner's view that cigarettes should be considered "a coronary poison of the first order."(25)
'Our Fuhrer Adolf Hitler drinks no alcohol and does not smoke...His performance at work is incredible...(from Auf der Wacht, 1937)
On 20 June 1940 Hitler ordered tobacco rations to be distributed to the military "in a manner that would dissuade" soldiers from smoking.(24)
Cigarette rations were limited to six per man per day, with alternative rations available for non-smokers(for example, chocolate or extra food).
Extra cigarettes were sometimes available for purchase, but these were generally limited to 50 per man per month and were often unavailableas
during times of rapid advance or retreat. Tobacco rations were denied to women accompanying the Wehrmacht. An ordinance on 3 November
1941 raised tobacco taxes to a higher level than they had ever been (80-95% of the retail price).Tobacco taxes would not rise that high again for
more than a quarter of a century after Hitler's defeat.(26)
Impact of the war and postwar poverty
The net effect of these and other measures (for instance, medical lectures to discourage soldiers from smoking) was to lower tobacco
consumption by the military during the war years. A 1944 survey of 1000 servicemen found that, whereas the proportion of soldiers smoking
had increased (only 12.7% were non-smokers), the total consumption of tobacco had decreased-by just over 14%. More men were smoking (101
of those surveyed had taken up the habit during the war, whereas only seven had given it up) but the average soldier was smoking about a
quarter (23.4%) less tobacco than in the immediate prewar period. The number of very heavy smokers (30 or more cigarettes daily) was down
dramatically-from 4.4% to only 0.3%-and similar declines were recorded for moderately heavy smokers.(24)
Postwar poverty further cut consumption. According to official statistics German tobacco use did not reach prewar levels again until the mid-
1950s. The collapse was dramatic: German per capita consumption dropped by more than half from 1940 to 1950, whereas American
consumption nearly doubled during that period.(6) (9) French consumption also rose, though during the four years of German occupation
cigarette consumption declined by even more than in Germany(9)-suggesting that military conquest had a larger effect than Nazi propaganda.
After the war Germany lost its position as home to the world's most aggressive anti-tobacco science. Hitler was dead but also many of his antitobacco
underlings either had lost their jobs or were otherwise silenced. Karl Aster, head of Jena's Institute for Tobacco Hazards Research (and
rector of the University of Jena and an officer in the SS), committed suicide in his office on the night of 3-4 April 1945.Reich Health Fuhrer
Leonardo Conti, another anti-tobacco activist,committed suicide on 6 October 1945 in an allied prison while awaiting prosecution for his role in
the euthanasia programme. Hans Reiter, the Reich Health Office president who once characterised nicotine as "the greatest enemy of the
people's health" and "the number one drag on the German economy"(27) was interned in an American prison camp for two years, after which he
worked as a physician in a clinic in Kassel, never again returning to public service. Gauleiter Fritz Sauckel, the guiding light behind Thuringia's
antismoking campaign and the man who drafted the grant application for Astel's anti-tobacco institute, was executed on 1 October 1946 for
crimes against humanity. It is hardly surprising that much of the wind was taken out of the sails of Germany's anti-tobacco movement.
The flip side of Fascism Smith et al were correct to emphasise the strength of the Nazi anti smoking effort and the sophistication of Nazi era
tobacco science.(4) The anti smoking science and policies of the era have not attracted much attention, possibly because the impulse behind the
movement was closely attached to the larger Nazi movement.That does not mean, however, that anti smoking movements are inherently
fascist(28); it means simply that scientific memories are often clouded by the celebrations of victors and that the political history of science is
occasionally less pleasant than we would wish.

It seems like the Cs were not kidding about the Nazis' Third Reich being just a trial run for things to come.

07-22-00 A: We wish to review some things first. The concept of a "master race" put forward by the Nazis was merely a 4th density STS effort to create a physical vehicle with the correct frequency resonance vibration for 4th density STS souls to occupy in 3rd density. It was also a "trial run" for planned events in what you perceive to be your future.

It's not easy to break the frequency being created by the anti-smoking agenda today any more than it was during the Third Reich. If it wasn't for the support of this forum many of us would not be able to see the different reasons for the possible motivations behind the agenda.

Although, I can not verify all of the above information it certainly makes me think it could be deja vu.

goyacobol :cool2:
 
Stoneboss said:
Mr. Premise said:
I'm reading a great book that dissects all the main anti-smoking studies: Smoke Screens: The Truth About a Tobacco by Richard White. Highly recommended. Much poor study design and lots of outright scientific fraud.

Just downloaded the book and looking forward to reading it. Thank you for the info Mr. Premise.

I found a YouTube review of White's book here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMYfcT5T9Hs

The author has put the first two chapters on his website:

Chapter 1 - The Black Lung Myth: http://smokescreens.org/chapter1.htm

Chapter 2 - Chemicals In Tobacco: http://smokescreens.org/chapter2.htm

He's also got a list of articles here: http://smokescreens.org/articles.htm

Some of them might be good for SOTT.
 
Kniall said:
Stoneboss said:
Mr. Premise said:
I'm reading a great book that dissects all the main anti-smoking studies: Smoke Screens: The Truth About a Tobacco by Richard White. Highly recommended. Much poor study design and lots of outright scientific fraud.

Just downloaded the book and looking forward to reading it. Thank you for the info Mr. Premise.

I found a YouTube review of White's book here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMYfcT5T9Hs

The author has put the first two chapters on his website:

Chapter 1 - The Black Lung Myth: http://smokescreens.org/chapter1.htm

Chapter 2 - Chemicals In Tobacco: http://smokescreens.org/chapter2.htm

He's also got a list of articles here: http://smokescreens.org/articles.htm

Some of them might be good for SOTT.

Thanks for posting the links to the first two chapters of White's book, Kniall. I am reading the first two chapters now, and this paragraph really stood out for me, thinking of the various commercials, billboards, and advertisements against smoking being based on lies. The photographs of black lungs are often used in the anti-smoking propaganda.

Possibly the first thing people say on the subject is that they have seen those pictures of a black smokers’ lung and a pink non-smokers’ lung. While it may be true that the black lung was that of a smoker and the pink lung that of a non-smoker, that is not the end of the story – we now know that cancerous organs turn black. A while ago channel 4 ran some programmes of autopsies done live by Dr Von Hagens, and one episode was on cancer. The woman having the autopsy done was ravaged with cancer, and it was apparent which organs were cancerous by their colour – they were all black. Going back to the pictures of the two lungs, they are always of a smokers’ lung afflicted with cancer, and a non-smokers’ lung without cancer – in other words, the two lungs are not comparable. If a smokers’ lung was compared with a non-smokers’ lung and neither had cancer, they would both look identical, and the same is true for a smoker and non-smokers’ lung with cancer. Furthermore, the photos invariably are of the outside of the lung and not the inside. Cigarette smoke never reaches the outside of the lung and subsequently would have no chance to turn it black.

The writing is very clear, and to the point. This book is going to next on my list of reading. Thanks for posting about this book, Mr. Premise. :cool2:
 
Kniall said:
Stoneboss said:
Mr. Premise said:
I'm reading a great book that dissects all the main anti-smoking studies: Smoke Screens: The Truth About a Tobacco by Richard White. Highly recommended. Much poor study design and lots of outright scientific fraud.

Just downloaded the book and looking forward to reading it. Thank you for the info Mr. Premise.

I found a YouTube review of White's book here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMYfcT5T9Hs

The author has put the first two chapters on his website:

Chapter 1 - The Black Lung Myth: http://smokescreens.org/chapter1.htm

Chapter 2 - Chemicals In Tobacco: http://smokescreens.org/chapter2.htm

He's also got a list of articles here: http://smokescreens.org/articles.htm

Some of them might be good for SOTT.

Oh wow! This is good!

Thanks for sharing Kniall!

:cool2:
 
JayMark said:
Kniall said:
Stoneboss said:
Mr. Premise said:
I'm reading a great book that dissects all the main anti-smoking studies: Smoke Screens: The Truth About a Tobacco by Richard White. Highly recommended. Much poor study design and lots of outright scientific fraud.

Just downloaded the book and looking forward to reading it. Thank you for the info Mr. Premise.

I found a YouTube review of White's book here: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMYfcT5T9Hs

The author has put the first two chapters on his website:

Chapter 1 - The Black Lung Myth: _http://smokescreens.org/chapter1.htm

Chapter 2 - Chemicals In Tobacco: _http://smokescreens.org/chapter2.htm

He's also got a list of articles here: _http://smokescreens.org/articles.htm

Some of them might be good for SOTT.

Oh wow! This is good!

Thanks for sharing Kniall!

:cool2:

Yes many thanks, these are very useful.
 
Kniall said:
Stoneboss said:
Mr. Premise said:
I'm reading a great book that dissects all the main anti-smoking studies: Smoke Screens: The Truth About a Tobacco by Richard White. Highly recommended. Much poor study design and lots of outright scientific fraud.

Just downloaded the book and looking forward to reading it. Thank you for the info Mr. Premise.

I found a YouTube review of White's book here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMYfcT5T9Hs

The author has put the first two chapters on his website:

Chapter 1 - The Black Lung Myth: http://smokescreens.org/chapter1.htm

Chapter 2 - Chemicals In Tobacco: http://smokescreens.org/chapter2.htm

He's also got a list of articles here: http://smokescreens.org/articles.htm

Some of them might be good for SOTT.
Thank you for sharing! I feel like printing out the first chapter and distributing around campus. A fellow student showed me a one minute video of some experiment where they were inflating a healthy lung and a black lung and said student was using it to demonstrate the dangers of smoking. I told him at the time that I would laugh if he found out it was a coal miner's lung but this is far better ammo, IMO. :cool2:
 
It's worth paying for the rest of the book. The chapters not on the website are better than the ones that are up there. The hard copies aren't cheap but the kindle version is reasonable.
 
Mr. Premise said:
It's worth paying for the rest of the book. The chapters not on the website are better than the ones that are up there. The hard copies aren't cheap but the kindle version is reasonable.

Yea I ended up buying the ebook after finishing the first chapter. I def. think it's worth it. In my opinion anyways.
 
Another book on the anti-smoking propaganda issue: "TobakkoNacht - The Antismoking Endgame "

http://tobakkonacht.com/ said:
TobakkoNacht adheres to high academic standards in its content, presentation and detailed citations, but is also written in a style that ensures its wider readability. It is ideal for smokers under attack, nonsmokers whose lives are impacted by exaggerated fears, for students seeking to understand the manipulation of human conflict, and for anyone distressed by the social division of the antismoking "Endgame" (a title echoed by September 2013's UN Conference, "The Endgame for Tobacco"). Hard scientific analysis and political and psychological observations of antismoking tactics are interspersed with advice for activists, a look to the future in fighting increasingly powerful nanny states, and even a dystopian tale written in the late 1990s that portrays a world disturbingly close to the one we're currently experiencing.

http://www.amazon.com/Tobakkonacht-Antismoking-Endgame-Michael-McFadden/dp/0974497916/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1379425936&sr=1-4
 
parallel,

Thank you for the current events update on anti-tobacco campaigns.

As you pointed out here:

parallel said:
Another book on the anti-smoking propaganda issue: "TobakkoNacht - The Antismoking Endgame "

http://tobakkonacht.com/ said:
TobakkoNacht adheres to high academic standards in its content, presentation and detailed citations, but is also written in a style that ensures its wider readability. It is ideal for smokers under attack, nonsmokers whose lives are impacted by exaggerated fears, for students seeking to understand the manipulation of human conflict, and for anyone distressed by the social division of the antismoking "Endgame" (a title echoed by September 2013's UN Conference, "The Endgame for Tobacco"). Hard scientific analysis and political and psychological observations of antismoking tactics are interspersed with advice for activists, a look to the future in fighting increasingly powerful nanny states, and even a dystopian tale written in the late 1990s that portrays a world disturbingly close to the one we're currently experiencing.

http://www.amazon.com/Tobakkonacht-Antismoking-Endgame-Michael-McFadden/dp/0974497916/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1379425936&sr=1-4

Does anyone see history repeating itself here? Your post is the closest to my previous post about the Nazi methods of restricting tobacco use during WWII. It really doesn't come as a big surprise to me anymore. I have not been able to keep up with all the developments since their are so many aspects of the PTBs agenda. This latest development does lead me to think they will just continue to do business as usual up to the very end (whatever and whenever the end may be).

The UN and WHO are now in full swing it appears.

UN: _http://unic.un.org/imu/recentActivities/post/2013/06/17/World-No-Tobacco-Day.aspx

WHO: _http://www.worldhealthsummit.org/fileadmin/downloads/2013/WHSRMA_2013/Presentations/Day_3/Reddy%20Srinath%20-%20Tobacco%20Control%20The%20End-Game.pdf

I can't help think there is something very threatening to the PTB about tobacco and nicotine for them to want to eliminate it completely. It makes me think that much more seriously about what the C's say about some possible benefits and effects nicotine may have.

goyacobol :huh: :cool2: :rolleyes: :cool2:
 
goyacobol said:
I can't help think there is something very threatening to the PTB about tobacco and nicotine for them to want to eliminate it completely. It makes me think that much more seriously about what the C's say about some possible benefits and effects nicotine may have.goyacobol :huh: :cool2: :rolleyes: :cool2:

At this period in "time" it would be worse for them to have tobacco around as the ice age is almost upon us. They may be thinking that those who remain after the global upheavals may carry knowledge of things that will help others, those who are less knowledgeable.

The fear, the deep trauma & stress of the environment with a certain type of collapse of infrastructure (controlled) would leave any unprepared survivors & those unaware, running around like headless chickens. The PTB (that weren't double-crossed) that might re-emerge would look to play a finer tune like "pied pipers" for those traumatised. But with "elders" & the like, they could suggest certain things... like tobacco for health (clear thought calmness etc) & no-one would dance to the tune. OSIT. To be honest the way they're going about banning it makes me think that tobacco/nicotine might be even more important (especially after the 1st upheaval, there's bound to be more than 1?) to the human system than currently thought, & more so afterwards. Perhaps they think they can get a near enough blanket-ban & most will celebrate when they burn fields of tobacco. "We can't stop heroin production, but we can cure cancer!" :wow:

Thus, tobacco burning will be the new book burning.
 
Yeah, I think on the simplest level, the PTB know that smoking makes one think better/clearer and threatens their propaganda campaigns with the possibility of non-belief using critical thinking skills (helped by increased acetylcholine receptors, etc.).
 
Found this very interesting abstract ...

Nicotine delivery from smoking bidis and an additive-free cigarette.

Authors Malson JL, et al.
Nicotine Tob Res. 2002 Nov;4(4):485-90.

Affiliation
Intramural Research Program, National Institute on Drug Abuse, Baltimore, Maryland 21224, USA.

Abstract
The present study was conducted to determine whether smoking bidis, an additive-free cigarette, and conventional cigarettes caused similar biochemical, physiological and subjective effects. This was an open-label, within-subject design. In each session, subjects (n = 10) smoked a single cigarette: an unfiltered Natural American Spirit, an unfiltered Irie bidi, an unfiltered Sher bidi, or one of the participant's own brand. The presentation of the cigarettes was randomized. Before and up to 1 h after smoking, biochemical markers [plasma nicotine levels and exhaled carbon monoxide (CO)] and physiological effects of nicotine (heart rate and blood pressure) were measured. After smoking, subjects completed two standardized tests of cigarette liking and cigarette sensations. American Spirit (32.1 ng/ml) and Irie bidi (26.0 ng/ml) cigarettes increased plasma nicotine more than the participant's own brand (18.5 ng/ml). Subjects smoked longer and took more puffs to consume the American Spirit (452.8 s, 14 puffs) and Sher bidi (354.4 s, 14 puffs) than the participant's own brand (297.4 s, 10 puffs). In spite of differences in nicotine delivery, participants rated all cigarettes as similar in nicotine content. Overall, the results indicate that bidis and the additive-free cigarette delivered nicotine, CO and (presumably) other toxic components of tobacco smoke in equal or greater amounts than conventional cigarettes. These results do not support an emerging belief that bidi cigarettes are safer than conventional brands.

However, I was able to obtain the original article - and if you read through it, it says the following about CO (carbon monoxide) levels:

After the American Spirit cigarettes, CO was significantly lower at 15 and 30 min compared to own brand, whereas CO following the Irie bidi was significantly higher than the subject’s own brand at 60 min (p<0.05).

The original article can be downloaded at _http://savontobacco.com/485.full.pdf.

Now, I don't know about you, but in my books a higher nicotine level with lower CO level is a good thing!

:cool2:
 
nicklebleu said:
Now, I don't know about you, but in my books a higher nicotine level with lower CO level is a good thing!

:cool2:

Yup, seems that way to me too. Also reminds me of people who smoke "light" cigarettes. Every one I've looked at had lower nicotine but higher tar content than "regular" cigarettes. Well, heck we're smoking FOR the nicotine, we can do without extra tar. But, those who smoke these "lights" never seem to grasp the concept that their getting less benefit (nicotine) and perhaps more harm (tar).
 

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