The European Union: Glorious New 'Holy Roman Empire', Anglo-American Trojan Horse, or Left-Liberal Globalist Nightmare?

Key statements by Vladimir Putin at the extended meeting of the Russian Defense Ministry Board:
  • Russia did not become a full-fledged member of the West after the collapse of the USSR.
  • There is no civilization in the West, only total degradation.
  • Russia insists on the fulfillment of promises made to Moscow about non‑expansion of NATO to the East.
  • The West deliberately brought the situation to war and ignored Russia’s interests.
  • The West and the "European piglets" wanted to dismantle Russia, but these attempts have failed.
  • During the Special Military Operation, Russia has become a fully sovereign country in every sense.
  • The Russian army is evolving; its nuclear shield is the most advanced.
  • Ukrainian statehood is crumbling, as seen in the "golden toilets" and hundreds of thousands of deserters.
  • Putin hopes for dialogue with Europe, but it is unlikely with the current political elites.
Belousov (Russian Defense Minister) on NATO’s ongoing preparations for a confrontation with Russia:
  • NATO is accelerating preparations for a confrontation with Russia by the 2030s.
  • NATO continues to build up coalition forces and has updated its nuclear arsenal.
  • The speed of NATO troop deployment to the eastern flank is increasing; plans include the introduction of a "military Schengen" for this purpose.
  • NATO's military spending is rising, and the alliance's budget is set to grow by more than 1.5 times.
«European pigs», «little pigs», «young pigs», «piglets» — this is how Western media tried to find an English equivalent for Putin’s expression «европейские подсвинки» (literally «European under-pigs» or «young fattened pigs»).

Terms used in translation attempts included:
little pigs, young pigs, swine, piglets.

Context note for the forum: The Russian word «подсвинки» is a derogatory, dismissive term referring to pigs being fattened for slaughter — implying that European elites are naive, dependent, and being used by stronger forces (presumably the US). None of the English variants fully convey this connotation of raised for exploitation, so translations vary between literal (piglets) and more generic derogatory terms (swine).
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Where is the EU moving?
There is a Wiki with a list of economic crisis. Can anything be learned from reviewing the incidents? Or from considering that:
Session 16 October 1994
A: World will soon have nothing but credit and debit have you not heard of this new visa debit cards this is the future of money as controlled by the world banking system i.e. the brotherhood i.e. Lizards i.e. antichrist.

Q: (L) If I don't have a credit card then I don't have to belong to this system?

A: No. You will have no choices: belong or starve.

Q: (L) What happened to free will?

A: Brotherhood aka Lizards aka antichrist has interfered with free will for 309000 years. They are getting desperate as we near the change.
Q: (L) Are they going to have the kind of capability of controlling everything and everybody no matter where they are?

A: Yes.


Q: (L) Even if we moved to Guyana and built a log hut in the rain forest and didn't bother anybody, we'd still get sucked into this thing?

A: Laura you will feel the effect of the Lizard beings desperate push for total control no matter where you go.

Q: (L) That is inexpressibly depressing. Do you understand?

A: Why? Change will follow.

Q: (L) Will it follow soon?

A: You are slipping a bit. Refer to Literature "Bringers of the Dawn". Challenge will be ecstasy if viewed with proper perspective which is not, we repeat: not of third level reality, understand?
If the EU is like an Empire, how did the Romans do with their economy?

Top 5 Roman Empire Economic Crises: Factors and Impacts an entry written by Vladimir Vulic
Some of the questions in the article include:
How did overexpansion contribute to Rome’s economic crises?
Overexpansion stretched Rome’s resources thin and made it difficult to manage such a vast territory effectively. The maintenance of expanded borders demanded significant military and financial resources, which strained the empire’s treasury and undermined its economic stability.
Has the EU/NATO overextended itself? The issues and costs incurred by the ambitions to include Ukraine shows that this element is there.
In what ways did reliance on slavery impact the economic crises and society of Rome?
Reliance on slavery in Rome suppressed technological innovation and agrarian reform due to the abundance of cheap labor. It also contributed to social unrest, as the non-slave population struggled with unemployment and the destabilization of social structures. All that led to economic crises.
How is the EU affected by immigration? Is the situation, culturally, economically and demographically stable?
Can you outline the major economic problems faced by the Roman Republic?
The Roman Republic faced many economic crises, yet economic problems such as wealth inequality, corruption, and land concentration in the hands of the elite were the biggest reasons for that crisis. Additionally, repeated wars and conquests disrupted the agrarian economy, leading to increased reliance on imports and a decline in self-sufficiency.
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Wealth inequality and land concentration is increasing. More is owned or administered by billionaires and capital funds.
Which factors were instrumental in weakening the economy of ancient Rome?
Factors that weakened the economy of ancient Rome and caused economic crises included trade deficits, depletion of gold and silver mines, an outbreak of plagues, and a decline in agricultural productivity. This economic fragility was exacerbated by a lack of fiscal and monetary policies capable of addressing the empire’s complex challenges.
The trade deficit is not yet too serious:
Annual international trade balance in goods of the European Union with the rest of the world from 2002 to 2024
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Mapped: European Union Debt-to-GDP by Country
In the following, Norway isn't a part or the EU, but is associated through the European Economic Area. There are significant variations in the size of debt from country to country.
Published 2 months ago on October 6, 2025 By Dorothy Neufeld Graphics/Design: Christina Kostandi
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Many of the raw materials needed for European industries have to be imported. The emphasis on green technologies has both advantages and disadvantages. One disadvantage is that it is very technology dependent, also from outside. The access to cheap energy from Russia has been closed by sanctions, this gives increased vulnerability.

Apart from the above issues, the way the EU has been handling the Russian assets has not yet found a resolution and is potentially very dangerous. There is no lack of people in EU administration that will downplay these risks, so here are different takes:
EX-Central Banker: Russian Asset Theft Will Destroy EU Markets | Prof. Dejan Šoškić
The European Union just decided to permanently freeze 140 Billion Euros or so of Russian State assets and basically expropriate the Russian state. What does mean for Europe as an economy and as a market place? Here to help with this question is Dejan Soskic, a Professor at the University of Belgarde and former Governor of the Serbian Central bank.
How far will the intentions be realized? There is still discussion:

EU Split Explodes Over Russian Assets as Orbán, Merz Clash Head-On
Mertz says there is a choice between using EU debt or Russian wealth to finance Ukraine. It is clear to him that it is necessary to use Russian wealth. Orban disagrees, completely, referring to the Hungarian parliament and the Hungarian constitution. Hungary also opposes Mercosur, see:
EU chief pushes to close Mercosur free trade deal despite French opposition
European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said a free-trade deal with South America's Mercosur bloc is "in sight" but faces resistance ahead of a two-day summit in Uruguay, with Italy joining France in threatening to derail the 20-year effort to create the world’s largest free-trade zone.
Victor Orban also opposes the European Green Deal which overregulates agriculture.

As a comment: It is odd the EU wants to regulate European agriculture to fit green ideology while promoting free trade with South America from where produce from less regulated agriculture can be imported. In a time when sustainability is a topic how will a trade deal with a distant continent while nourishing conflict on its own help? On the other hand it is a good way to further weaken the European middle-class and reduce the amount of land owned by independent farmers.

The last clip of the above video is with Ursula von der Leyen, who is all about supporting Ukraine, which needs 137 Billion Euro over two years of which the EU has committed to cover two-thirds of it. For this they can borrow against the budget or offer a EU reparations loan. Von der Leyen is all for the Mercosur deal, a market of 700 million consumers in likeminded countries.

About the reparations loan, there is also this article:
Live. 'I won't give up,' says Belgian PM as EU leaders debate reparations loan for Ukraine
By Jorge Liboreiro & Alice Tidey & Vincenzo Genovese & Eleonora Vasques & Peggy Corlin & Marta Pacheco
Published on 18/12/2025 - 7:00 GMT+1 •Updated 13:41
The EU's primary option for backing Ukraine is fiercely resisted by Belgium, the prime custodian of the Russian assets needed to fund it, while the back-up option of joint debt requires unanimity – and Hungary has already said no.

The 27 leaders of the European Union are gathering in Brussels on Thursday to make a decision that could redefine the continent's security architecture: how to raise at least €90 billion to meet Ukraine's financial and military needs for 2026 and 2027.

With the United States pushing for a fast deal between Ukraine and Russia, diplomats and officials are framing today's summit as a make-or-break moment for Europeans to maximise their collective leverage and prove they still have skin in the game.

"We have to find a solution today," said Ursula von der Leyen. "We won't leave the European Council without a solution for the funding for Ukraine for the next two years."

There are two main options on the table to reach the €90 billion figure.

The first is a groundbreaking proposal to channel the immobilised assets of the Russian Central Bank into a zero-interest reparations loan to Ukraine, which the country would only be asked to repay after Moscow compensates for the damage done by its invasion.

The second is common borrowing on the financial markets, as the Commission did on behalf of all member states during the COVID-19 pandemic.

The reparations loan is fiercely resisted by Belgium, the prime custodian of the Russian assets. Belgian Prime Minister Bart De Wever said he was open to "compromises" but insisted there could be no "flexibility" regarding his country's financial stability.

"I won't give up," De Wever said on Thursday morning.
If you listen to von der Leyen, then it it is clear that UA funding is a priority and since the Mercosur relates to the replacement of trade with Russia, it seems the top priorities of the EU revolve around opposing Russia.

What is happening in the EU is being noticed outside. In a video report from Times of India, they speak with people from different nations in Europe, though all in Brussels, including also Victor Orban and Marine Le Pen.
EU Sits On Russian Assets Time Bomb; NATO Nation Erupts, Opposes Anti-Putin Mission | Watch
Cracks are widening inside the European Union over plans to use more than 190 billion euros in frozen Russian assets to finance Ukraine, triggering growing resistance from both citizens and leaders across Europe. In Brussels, Belgians voiced fears of retaliation from Moscow, warning that seizing Russian funds could escalate the war and expose Europe to serious security and financial risks. Belgium holds the bulk of Russia’s frozen sovereign assets through clearinghouse Euroclear, placing the country at the center of the controversy. As EU leaders prepare for a crucial summit this week, divisions are deepening, with Hungary, Slovakia, Italy and others opposing the move, while Brussels and Berlin push for decisive action. Russia has already warned of swift consequences, raising the stakes for Europe’s next move.

Challenges for the EU in the coming year, 2026, are unlikely to decrease. And what is it going to be?
1) Glorious New 'Holy Roman Empire', - or a crisis similar to one or more of those suffered by the first Roman Empire? (economic crash, famine and plagues, power struggles, cosmic events)
2) Anglo-American Trojan Horse, - or a tiger by the tail?
3) Left-Liberal Globalist Nightmare? - or a catalyst for chaos and change
4) Some of the above and more.
I prefer being open to many options, and it could be something not directly related to Europe. There is a world outside.
 
There's a good french article about the EU which was posted yesterday.
I regularly read some articles from this author and he's good.
It's not a big one, thus, i'm going to copy its translation below.
Here's the link to the original in French :


European suicide: why everything could collapse within 5 years​

Given the economic and geopolitical situation in Europe, one can reasonably estimate the probability of the European Union disappearing by the end of 2028 at 75%, as Erik Dale does in a recent Twitter thread .

His reasoning, which is sound, deserves to be shared. Whether one likes this Union or not is irrelevant; this is as clear-sighted an assessment as possible, the only one that allows us to understand what is happening and where we are headed.



It is clear that France is bankrupt, Germany is tired of paying, the ECB is running out of ammunition, the shock of tariffs imposed by Trump is approaching, and the current political landscape, both on the right and on the left, is blocking any solution.

Meanwhile, the Eurozone has now entered a 3- to 5-year countdown towards a break, the timeline of which could be outlined as follows:

  • Between now and the first quarter of 2026, we can expect French deficits of 6.5% to 7% and widening spreads in borrowing rates (on government bonds) compared to Germany exceeding 150 basis points. Inevitably, the ECB will have to quietly resume buying bonds.
  • From spring 2026 onwards, it is not implausible to imagine early elections in France leading to total parliamentary chaos. The yields on French 10-year OATs will then test the 4 to 5% level.
  • Summer 2026 arrives, and with it, Trump's tariffs hit hard (resulting in a 1.5% loss of GDP in the Eurozone). Germany, already in dire straits, plunges into a full-blown recession. Without any trouble, the AfD becomes the leading party in the eastern states.
  • Autumn 2026 brings nothing good. The ECB's balance sheet shows over €10 trillion in debt, prompting Germany to threaten to leave the Eurosystem or establish a parallel accounting system. The revolt of the Northern European Member States becomes public.
  • Sometime in 2027, or 2028 at the latest, on an unremarkable, gray weekend, TARGET2 implodes. Southern European banks suffer a bank run, forcing their closure and capital controls by the ECB. The euro fractures into two blocs (south/north)... or disappears in the face of the resulting problems.
At this point, the European Union may still exist on paper, but the single currency has well and truly disappeared. The European institutions have managed the feat of transforming an economic union into a pact of collective suicide.



And it is indeed the euro that will be the trigger that will cause the Union to explode. Forcing 20 extremely different economies to share a single currency and a single interest rate set by the central bank, this bold financial tinkering could not last indefinitely.

And the euro, which here only plays the role of a fuse, will be burned by France: with 115% debt, permanent deficits exceeding 5%, four Prime Ministers in 12 months, it has demonstrated its inability to reduce its spending without provoking riots.

But if the ECB lets France default, the euro's credibility will collapse overnight. The next domino will fall: Italy (with a real debt exceeding 120%) will either collapse in turn or hastily leave the euro, aided by Meloni's current preparations—discreet but shrewd, with his "Good Ordinary Treasury Men"—in this maneuver. And if the ECB prints money to bail them out, German savers will be robbed, leading to a mutiny at the Bundesbank and an exit from the "northern bloc." Saving the South ruins the North; abandoning the South kills the euro. The Union has built a machine where every solution is a disaster.

Other factors make the situation even more critical.

By replacing cheap Russian gas with overpriced American LNG, Europe has orchestrated its own deindustrialization. Germany isn't just going through a rough patch; it's dismantling its industrial heritage (chemicals, steel) in real time. This deindustrialization isn't a risk; it's happening right now .

– The crazy directives and regulations are piling up. The European Union no longer produces power, it produces standards in exchange for a clear conscience: Green Deal and green madness at every level, castrating AI Act, 1444 mandatory “ESG” points… Europe regulates what it no longer knows how to invent and destroys its agriculture with bans and incoherent free trade agreements.



– The population is collapsing. The continent is turning into a gigantic open-air retirement home. Brains are fleeing to the USA or Asia, leaving behind a population that is halved every 40 years. A civilization without youth is a civilization without a future.

– Uncontrolled mass immigration has created irreversible societal fractures and endemic insecurity. It fuels a violent political division between the people who reject it (in the East) and the elites who impose it (in the West), paving the way for "populist" parties throughout Europe: Vox in Spain, AfD in Germany, RN in France, Chega in Portugal, PVV/FvD in the Netherlands, and Meloni in power in Italy.

The only coordinated European response has been… censorship of social media, with the DSA and fines levied on Musk. When the ship is sinking, the orchestra stops playing; the captain simply forbids the passengers from shouting.

The vicious circle is perfect: political paralysis fuels market distrust, which will trigger the Euro crisis, which will cause the final explosion.

Correcting the situation would require – besides a very unlikely awakening of awareness at the level of European leaders – a complete halt to green policies, the abolition of legislation which has become far too complex, a total halt to immigration and mass expulsions starting with the most dangerous elements (OQTF in France).

Unfortunately, just as in France where profound reforms will only be considered too late, the questioning of these suicidal policies will only be considered once the admission of failure is impossible to camouflage despite the omnipresent censorship and propaganda, revolutions being triggered when it is more costly to maintain the lie than to admit the truth.

The only way out for European leaders is to distract the people. And what better way to do that than a war, don't you think?
 
As a comment: It is odd the EU wants to regulate European agriculture to fit green ideology while promoting free trade with South America from where produce from less regulated agriculture can be imported. In a time when sustainability is a topic how will a trade deal with a distant continent while nourishing conflict on its own help? On the other hand it is a good way to further weaken the European middle-class and reduce the amount of land owned by independent farmers.
That is a very good observation on why the EU may be pushing for the Mercosur deal. Another reason seems to be to bring the Mercosur countries to commit to the globalist agendas as part of that deal.

The thing is that the EU is alienated from the US under Trump, China and of course Russia. South America is one of the few places where the EU may expand its influence, though even that is doubtful. Both the US and China (BRICS) are competing for influence in South America and seem to be way ahead of the EU.

Von der Leyen is all for the Mercosur deal, a market of 700 million consumers in likeminded countries.
I think Mercosur is far from really likeminded to the globalist EU. Uruguay and maybe Chile (the richest countries in South America) seem to be more aligned to the globalist agenda, while Argentina and Paraguay are aligned with the US, while Brazil and Bolivia are in the BRICS.

Also, Mercosur has 282 million people (mostly Brazil), not 700 million.
 
The thing is that the EU is alienated from the US under Trump, China and of course Russia. South America is one of the few places where the EU may expand its influence, though even that is doubtful. Both the US and China (BRICS) are competing for influence in South America and seem to be way ahead of the EU.
Alienated from the US, but not the UK which with the US, before Trump, pushed hard for coup, conflict, sanctions, and sabotage with MH17 and Nord Stream. Once a a long cargo trains is at speed getting it to stop without derailing it completely can be a challenge.

The US still pushes for antagonism with China, it is not my impression the EU initially were quite that interested, but maybe had or were forced to go along.

Spain and Portugal were the main colonizers of Middle- and South America. From this perspective, there are cultural and historical links.
Also, Mercosur has 282 million people (mostly Brazil), not 700 million.
Von der Leyen is overselling the deal! Maybe she counted in all of South America with a population of 434 million (2021 estimate) and added Middle America (The area between the United States and South America) with an estimated population of 224 million, thus amounting to a population of about 660 million for the area south of he US border. Since Brasil had 203 million in 2022, the Mercosur website, estimating the population to be 295 million, probably only includes the populations of the full member states. The following image from the Wiki shows the different status within the organization which is basically Brasil and associates.
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Context note for the forum: The Russian word «подсвинки» is a derogatory, dismissive term referring to pigs being fattened for slaughter — implying that European elites are naive, dependent, and being used by stronger forces (presumably the US). None of the English variants fully convey this connotation of raised for exploitation, so translations vary between literal (piglets) and more generic derogatory terms (swine).

:-)
Perhaps there is more to it, let me try.

«Подсвинки» ("podsvinki", plural) are grown piglets, pig youth, teenage pigs, aged 4-10 months. It's obvious Putin used it metaphorically and with irony; it's also clear that it's a derogatory word in this context, yet the same time it is diminutive, which slightly softens the offence. But it also carries a specific characteristic.

So in this sense, “podsvinok”(sg) is an ironic way of referring to someone when presenting them not in the best light. Just like teenagers, they are dependent ("podsvinok" is an inexperienced teenager incapable of making independent decisions), adventurous (risk takers, troublemakers, "cruising for a bruising"), contrarian, full of themselves, may display herd (sounder) mentality teaming up against someone they perceive weak, and be dishonest (lie and don't keep their promises). A spitting image, isn't it?

I can see that some Russian news outlets asked linguists what, in their opinion, VVP meant by using that particular word. Here is one explanation by Professor of the Institute of Russian Language Vladimir Annushkin, asked by news.ru:

By the word “podsvinok” (piglet), Putin obviously meant that European politicians are, in a sense, subordinate in their views and ideologies, which makes dialogue with them impossible. In this case, of course, it has a very specific ironic meaning. European politicians were rightly offended, but they should really listen to what the Russian side is saying. EU officials apparently do not want to do this, which is why, unfortunately, dialogue is not possible.

The question is: who is the hog?
 
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