ICE agent fatally shoots protester in Minneapolis: Self-defense or police brutality?

[Lyndi]

I've looked at that whole video of the car in complete puzzlement and I don't see a panicked agent. If the video had music to it, it would be a classical (W)altz (couldn't resist the Capital W there...). I also thought of the sudden influence of the PTB on people who perhaps could be those latent zombies from Covid vaxThis along the lines that @Weontv mentioned.

I'd be really interested in the reactions of the other ICE agents. Can't imagine they'd all be OK with the shooting.

The effect of this shooting, no matter your political position, is so incendiary, it almost seems too opportune!

 

[mabar]

That's when Good was shot dead "for resisting arrest." Right at the end of this article, we read that:

Elena Panina (Russian) posted that this event is also an oportunity for Trump.

She compares also the BLM/Floyd issue and the message Trump's government is sending in the foreign policies in latest developments as in Venezuela, oil tankers, Groenlandia.

At the end she mentioned:

The likelihood that the story of Good's murder will develop into a BLM-scale movement is low. However, the likelihood of another scenario is high: a series of local outbreaks, each of which will be used to "normalize" harsh practices. In other words, the death of an activist is notable not as a possible "start of a new BLM", but as a moment of the final divergence of trajectories within the USA. One part of American society still sees protest as a way to pressure the authorities. The other - not just accepts, but also approves that the authorities are not going to engage in dialogue with "outcasts".

I think that, the "you just have to obey the authorities" no matter what because "we are protecting the safety of America " , It's a double-edged sword, who knows what else they have in store to make people on both sides (right and left) obey without question.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

- What exactly happened seems still to be hotly debated even among people with a good track record, including people here on the forum: coming to very different conclusions. That alone suggests to me that there are probably different angles, lengths and/or contexts of/around the video, with which the judgement of what happened is taking place and that it is difficult to say for sure.

Pretty much, and that goes for practically every such event. First we get a headline or two, then a video or two lacking a lot of context. Then each political camp interprets it according to their worldview.

It also rather clearly suggests at least one thing to me:

It was hard to say for sure what happened, especially right after the video came out, judged from the video alone. So, unless people like Vance and Trump have had some other evidence at hand than the video (like personal testimony of people on the ground) it is noticeable that both of them went right away with the “good ICE agent, bad woman“ narrative. How can they be so sure about “the truth of what exactly happened“?

That's the nature of political propaganda and PR, unfortunately. In this case, one angle of the incident looked like she rammed into the officer. People who saw that one would immediate conclude it was intentional, given that it's fairly common for both criminals and protestors to do just that. Confirmation bias. From the other video(s), it's pretty clear the vehicle didn't make contact (or if it did, it barely grazed him). It's also reasonable to conclude she was just trying to turn and drive away, not intentionally ramming into him head on. People who see that will conclude she was just caught up in a bad situation, and the cop intentionally murdered her because he knew he could get away with it. After all, all cops are bastards and they just kill people whenever they want. More confirmation bias. Then more information comes out and it turns out she was actually a trained anti-ICE protestor, so it's reasonable to conclude that she was there to disrupt their operations in some way. Why did she park her vehicle sideways on the road, for instance? With that context, it's more understandable why the ICE officers initially confronted her.

This is where I'm at more or less:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2009469725164835315

I don't believe Renee Good wanted to drive into an ICE agent, and I don't believe the ICE agent wanted to execute a protester. Panic and prior trauma explain their behavior very well

So a lot of commentary is falling flat for me, because I don't think intent is the issue

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Here's one take I never expected to see, but should have:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2009666442204258664

Leftist woman says she “feels wrong” for paying her respects to Renee Good because she’s a “white woman who’s privileged.”

“White tears are not helpful.”

 

[Turgon]

I've looked at that whole video of the car in complete puzzlement and I don't see a panicked agent

He wasn't. At no point did he show any signs of panic or being threatened. Instead, he leaned into the shot and went after her for trying to escape.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

It's reasonable to conclude that he made a snap judgment that the she was intentionally driving towards him. (An example from last year.)

Another example, but in this one the officer, who is standing right in front of the driver side of the vehicle, doesn't shoot and got run over and killed:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2009275891705106571

The teen driving the vehicle was charged with murder.

 

[John G]

He wasn't. At no point did he show any signs of panic or being threatened. Instead, he leaned into the shot and went after her for trying to escape.

Did he lean into her car for any amount of time before he shot as in could he have been assuming she would stop and shot when she didn't? He kept shooting when he was pushed to the side but that apparently is standard procedure once you deem it necessary to start shooting.

 

[SOTTREADER]

Elena Panina (Russian) posted that this event is also an oportunity for Trump.

She compares also the BLM/Floyd issue and the message Trump's government is sending in the foreign policies in latest developments as in Venezuela, oil tankers, Groenlandia.

At the end she mentioned:


I think that, the "you just have to obey the authorities" no matter what because "we are protecting the safety of America " , It's a double-edged sword, who knows what else they have in store to make people on both sides (right and left) obey without question.

I think there's something to this.

I think Trump and what he supposedly represents will lead to an over correction to the right and the net effect is that the US will become overly authoritarian to non-conformists within its own borders.

I think there will be a thing about "getting in line" and if you can't, either shut up or get out of the way.

Let's see how it develops but I wouldn't be surprised if we see more incidents to this one this year and Trump making decisions without necessarily going through the usual congressional process.

This is all making for an interesting run to the mid-term elections.

 

[Charlie]

They just released the phone video from the cop that did the shooting.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2009684955845275979

 

[Carlos Alberto]

He wasn't. At no point did he show any signs of panic or being threatened. Instead, he leaned into the shot and went after her for trying to escape.

I agree. What I see, FWIW, is that the ICE agent was playing Dirty Harry: "C'mon punk, make my day". It seems to me that he stepped in front of the vehicle to prevent her from fleeing but this was a calculated move. He could and he did easily get out of harms way when the car started to move forward but that gave him an excuse to shot and kill her on the spot. Standing in front of the car gave him the excuse to say that he was shooting in self defense.

Honestly, how can anybody believe that he was shooting in self defense when the last shot was fired from the side, after he was out of the car's path. And, also, what does self defense mean in this context? In this case the defensive action is to step out of the way. Shooting didn't prevent the car from moving forward and, as far as the ICE agent's safety is concerned, shooting didn't make any difference.

 

[SummerLite]

It also rather clearly suggests at least one thing to me:

It was hard to say for sure what happened, especially right after the video came out, judged from the video alone. So, unless people like Vance and Trump have had some other evidence at hand than the video (like personal testimony of people on the ground) it is noticeable that both of them went right away with the “good ICE agent, bad woman“ narrative. How can they be so sure about “the truth of what exactly happened“?

I listened briefly to what Vance had to say and my take on it is he is addressing what I said earlier about the attacks on ICE and the relentless propaganda against ICE for a year. The #1 reason Trump was reelected was to remove the 20+ million illegals that where brought into the country under Biden. These people thoroughly support ICE and see them as the good guys. The protesters are seen as the bad guys. Some can't understand why they are doing this and think them crazy and unamerican. I think they are either brainwashed or paid. Whatever Trump and Vance say it will include counteracting the massive propaganda against deportations and TRUMP!

Minnesota is a fallen and captured state like Washington and California. Run by massive fraud, stealing money from the government not only to enrich themselves but to collapse the economy no doubt. The aim is to destroy the country, get rid of Constitutional freedoms and turn it into a socialist communist hell hole run by criminal dictators. A demented pathocracy.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

They just released the phone video from the cop that did the shooting.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2009684955845275979

OK, so she wasn't distracted by the cop at her window and watched him as he walked in front of her.

 

[whitecoast]

Ah Minneapolis, where George Floyd was unjustly killed by a cop / died of a fentanyl overdose in the course of his lawful arrest, depending on your perspective. Followed by the BLM protests and riots and the channeling of all that energy towards demonizing Trump ahead of the 2020 election...

Take note of the timeline that led up to this recent shooting of 'anti-ICE legal observer' Renee Good:

On or about Christmas Day, 'MAGA activist' Nick Shirley's video series 'exposing mass fraud' at Somali-run child care centers in Minneapolis (and elsewhere in the state of Minnesota) begin 'going viral' on X.

By New Year's Eve, the Trump admin, via DHS and the FBI, announced the launch of investigations into the alleged fraud, while the White House announces the cessation of all federal funding for Minnesota's childcare facilities - some $185 million.

(For greater context, there is indeed fraud taking place here, and both parties seem to agree: CNN reports here that indictments - and convictions - against some 40 people in Minnesota began under the Biden admin. Even the NYT acknowledges that "fraud in the healthcare services has been rampant under Governor Tim Walz's watch." So Shirley wasn't really uncovering anything, so much as 'going over old ground'. For even greater context, consider Mike Benz's analysis of long-term federal support for segments of US immigrants, like the Somali community in Minnesota, in which such immigrants are intentionally brought to the US in return for cooperation with 'regime change operations back home'.)

Then, on January 6th (!), the White House announced its "largest immigration operation ever," sending some 2,000 ICE agents to... Minneapolis, Minnesota, "tied in part to allegations of fraud involving Somali residents."

That's when Good was shot dead "for resisting arrest." Right at the end of this article, we read that:

It seems like there’s a really high amount of emotional charge in the air around this and a lot of pressure to “take sides” here. I definitely think it’s plausible it is being magnified to harm ICE’s public relations and make the deportation of illegal aliens much harder practically.

In general I think is very dangerous and risky behavior to be involved with interfering directly with official government duties, especially ones that are by and large widely supported by the public and for which there’s been a glut of recruitment and therefore likely many more officers in the field with less locked-in training and experience. Tragic and unnecessary for sure, and thats what happens when people assent to be used as pawns on this deeply impersonal chessboard we’re on.

 

[SummerLite]

This may add understanding for the ICE guy's reaction. Under more favorable conditions this wouldn't have happened at all. It looks like the instructions being given to obstructionists and illegals is "do not comply" when approached by law enforcement, and this woman didn't. Thats what opens the door for aggression in all cases I've seen in many police arrest videos. Always comply or your in for a world of sh*t.

Here's the video but I don't see the man being dragged,

https://twitter.com/x/status/2009347801243849201

 

[Puma]

Former governor of Minnesota Jesse Ventura opinion

... You wanna know something? I'll give you a quote. We're a third world country now. You wanna know why? I'm an expert. I've been to one. I spent 17 months in Southeast Asia while the draft dodger was playing golf, right? You know how I know we're a third world country? Because in third world countries, they have the military doing their police work in the cities when you walk around. I was in the Philippines the day Ferdinand Marcos declared martial law and went under dictatorship. We went from nobody to a guy with a machine gun on every corner. That's what happens in a dictatorship. In comes the military. That's what's happening here, and, and people better wake up to it. You wanna read something? Then read your history of Germany, and start comparing the tactics of what happened in 1930s Germany to what's happening here. The first thing I actually got- Read history. You learn from history. Any time you have the loss of life that d- it needlessly happens, that's tragedy, and what occurred yesterday did not have to happen.

There are all kinds of responses to Ventura's comment, but it seems that some MAGAS want to normalize tyranny under the banner of legality.

Ventura's message reminded me of the prophecy by the Cs that the US would be hated like Nazi Germany.​