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I'm wondering if there are any plans to get into whose behind the "no Planes" Hologram/faked TV Theory which is doing the rounds right now, maybe as a follow up to the 911 disinfo podcasts
 
No plane theory is different from the hologram theory.
I am not promoting Mariott, but he is propagating the 'no plane' theory ('CNN inserted planes images using photo shop'!!) and yet debunking the hologram theory as disinfo.

Isn't it funny to see investigators shouting 'disinfo!' or cointelpro!' or 'cia agent!' at each other all the time. Real funny to me!

Veille
 
veille said:
Isn't it funny to see investigators shouting 'disinfo!' or cointelpro!' or 'cia agent!' at each other all the time. Real funny to me!
Can you clarify this statement further?, because I don't see how it logically follows the statements below.

John White said:
I'm wondering if there are any plans to get into whose behind the "no Planes" Hologram/faked TV Theory which is doing the rounds right now, maybe as a follow up to the 911 disinfo podcasts
Joe said:
Good idea. We'll get on it.
 
veille said:
No plane theory is different from the hologram theory.
actually 'hologram theory' is a subset of 'no plane' theory. it assumes 'no plane', and then attempts to explain it in a certain way.
Neither theory stands up to the available evidence.
 
I couldn't find a better thread about the "no-plane" or "holographic planes" theory.

There are actually a few very good arguments for these theories, eg. presented here:

_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN0UPcgfS5I

1. The 767 planes could not have flown over 500 mph at sea level. They can do that at high altitudes, but the air resistance increases 3x at sea level, which requires 6x as much thrust.

2. The witnesses in NYC reported that they did not hear the engines of the planes, even though those should have been very loud at close distance and full thrust.

3. There is evidence that the military worked on holographic projection for military purposes, though it is more likely that some sort of "black ops" advanced technology was used.

4. The military radar registered a plane at some distance from the alleged flight path of one of the 911 planes in NY. There is even video footage of a white object moving along with the crashed plane and you can see it continuing to fly as the plane hits the building. The theory here is that this was a cloaked plane that had the holographic projector on it.
 
I don't know about fake planes, unless it was Flight 77 which obviously didn't crash into the Pentagon, something else did. How about fake hijackers? You don't need dudes with box cutters to hijack a plane, that's so old school. You can do it remotely. As long as there is no-body on board able to take control of the plane.
 
The evidence to support the contention that no planes existed is quite convincing I think. Consider the recent so called mirages of floating cities, mountains, and then there's the so called ufo seen in Chile which resembles a lighted clock dial. In fact that was the first explanation given to the curious residents, that the city was testing out a new technology by projecting a clock in the sky!

OK, so I will just address this issue of the silver colored orbs, or balls seen in the video as well as all over the place.

The evidence shows clearly a round silver ball which is consistent with cloaking in my view, and there appears to be at least two such visual confirmations of these objects recorded on video. As noted, one of these is seen flying on by one of the planes that supposedly impacted one of the two towers.

There's an axiom to crime; "crime follows the potential pathways". Whenever we as a society do something that changes things, when technology and invention creates new things, it also creates new pathways for crime to follow. Change enables the new pathways for crime just like it does to everything else.

At least one very clear video exists on Youtube showing exactly the same type of obscure ball flying just behind and beneath what seems like a very solid looking Boeing C-17 Globemaster III. The question is, is the object flying the C-17 remotely? Is the C-17 even real? The second one brings up all kinds of interesting questions about what the military really has in inventory don't you think? Like maybe they haven't actually got half of what we think they have. Can we even trust our own eye's now? Yea I know that plane looks really real, but is it? Look at the source of the video. Third phase of the Loon? Believe me these guys have put out some doozies, like one featuring a leaping out of the water midget tyrannosaurus rex that they marketed as an unknown creature caught on video, and boy was it a sad one. So anyways...here a link to the C-17 video shown back in 2011. Not sure if they are the original source or not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3wT8awyoVY

If you wanted or needed to divert vast amounts of money to somewhere's else but needed to keep up appearances this would be a neat solution.

That would be a perfect way to disguise the diversion of funds. Recently I've noticed what is manifestly mock planes posing as real planes in public photo shoots. There's at least one or two involving the vaunted F-117 Stealth Fighter, and though appearing to be, and being marketed as the Real McCoy, clearly is a mock plane and is missing key parts which anyone familiar with the materials, primarily graphite, and the construction theory of the design knows has to exist on the real plane for it to actually be the real plane.

So now what? Projected images and mock planes? Oh good lord, well yes of course and it could all be done pretty easily. Do I have to actually outline how and why the entire operation might be implemented without anyone being the wiser? It isn't that difficult.

Point is, how do we even know what really is in the inventory the USAF or US Army? It's like a big shell game with objects moving all over, and if anyone were to ask where is plane such and such they could say, oh well it's flying practice missions. Here, call up the control tower and they will tell you it's right there in front of them. :cool2:

Also, as of very recent, it's been show time and again that this absurd fly by wire program, another military inspired technology implemented into Airliners, is also completely hackable, was designed to be hacked, and even admitted that it was intentional as a means to deal with supposed hijackings. Thus the military has announced it can simply take over the flight controls from the pilots.

Well they don't need a drone flying close to the plane cloaked to do that. They only need satellites because that's what enables the Obama drones. So whatever these silver colored objects are, they aren't like needed to take over the controls of a real plane, so what are they then? Why are the planes they flying right next to, and lock solid with the other aircraft?

Obviously you're looking at a projected images of planes because it's basically impossible to fly this close to giant C-17 Globemaster with anything and not be buffeted by the jet engine blast of the massive turbofans and the slipstream vortexes coming off the real plane. So you have to conclude that either the silver ball is not real, or else the C-17 isn't real. That I think is pretty logical if a bit much to absorb.

Now are you still flying on one of these death ship? I'm not, no way. Forget that, I'll ride a bike before getting on a giant radio control model plane.
 
gambeir said:
The evidence to support the contention that no planes existed is quite convincing I think. Consider the recent so called mirages of floating cities, mountains, and then there's the so called ufo seen in Chile which resembles a lighted clock dial. In fact that was the first explanation given to the curious residents, that the city was testing out a new technology by projecting a clock in the sky!

OK, so I will just address this issue of the silver colored orbs, or balls seen in the video as well as all over the place.

The evidence shows clearly a round silver ball which is consistent with cloaking in my view, and there appears to be at least two such visual confirmations of these objects recorded on video. As noted, one of these is seen flying on by one of the planes that supposedly impacted one of the two towers.

There's an axiom to crime; "crime follows the potential pathways". Whenever we as a society do something that changes things, when technology and invention creates new things, it also creates new pathways for crime to follow. Change enables the new pathways for crime just like it does to everything else.

At least one very clear video exists on Youtube showing exactly the same type of obscure ball flying just behind and beneath what seems like a very solid looking Boeing C-17 Globemaster III. The question is, is the object flying the C-17 remotely? Is the C-17 even real? The second one brings up all kinds of interesting questions about what the military really has in inventory don't you think? Like maybe they haven't actually got half of what we think they have. Can we even trust our own eye's now? Yea I know that plane looks really real, but is it? Look at the source of the video. Third phase of the Loon? Believe me these guys have put out some doozies, like one featuring a leaping out of the water midget tyrannosaurus rex that they marketed as an unknown creature caught on video, and boy was it a sad one. So anyways...here a link to the C-17 video shown back in 2011. Not sure if they are the original source or not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3wT8awyoVY

If you wanted or needed to divert vast amounts of money to somewhere's else but needed to keep up appearances this would be a neat solution.

That would be a perfect way to disguise the diversion of funds. Recently I've noticed what is manifestly mock planes posing as real planes in public photo shoots. There's at least one or two involving the vaunted F-117 Stealth Fighter, and though appearing to be, and being marketed as the Real McCoy, clearly is a mock plane and is missing key parts which anyone familiar with the materials, primarily graphite, and the construction theory of the design knows has to exist on the real plane for it to actually be the real plane.

So now what? Projected images and mock planes? Oh good lord, well yes of course and it could all be done pretty easily. Do I have to actually outline how and why the entire operation might be implemented without anyone being the wiser? It isn't that difficult.

Point is, how do we even know what really is in the inventory the USAF or US Army? It's like a big shell game with objects moving all over, and if anyone were to ask where is plane such and such they could say, oh well it's flying practice missions. Here, call up the control tower and they will tell you it's right there in front of them. :cool2:

Also, as of very recent, it's been show time and again that this absurd fly by wire program, another military inspired technology implemented into Airliners, is also completely hackable, was designed to be hacked, and even admitted that it was intentional as a means to deal with supposed hijackings. Thus the military has announced it can simply take over the flight controls from the pilots.

Well they don't need a drone flying close to the plane cloaked to do that. They only need satellites because that's what enables the Obama drones. So whatever these silver colored objects are, they aren't like needed to take over the controls of a real plane, so what are they then? Why are the planes they flying right next to, and lock solid with the other aircraft?

Obviously you're looking at a projected images of planes because it's basically impossible to fly this close to giant C-17 Globemaster with anything and not be buffeted by the jet engine blast of the massive turbofans and the slipstream vortexes coming off the real plane. So you have to conclude that either the silver ball is not real, or else the C-17 isn't real. That I think is pretty logical if a bit much to absorb.

Now are you still flying on one of these death ship? I'm not, no way. Forget that, I'll ride a bike before getting on a giant radio control model plane.

Hi gambeir, the link you attached of the video of the C-17 doesn't have an orb on it. It has a cigar-shaped object moving at the exact same speed as the plane as it lands. It doesn't move independently. It would seem more likely that there was something hanging out of the cargo door after it closed. Loading these planes is difficult and I have a friend whose loaded 2 x F-5's into an Antonov for delivery from Canada to Botswana. Everything shifts and moves in these cargo planes on takeoff, landing and they deal with turbulence rather ungracefully. Parts and pieces can and do end up hanging out of these big loading doors at times. I think the video you attached is an instance of this.

In my opinion, the idea of hologram C-17's or 757's seems unlikely. I'd suspect that there are cloaking aerial craft far beyond our knowledge. But my guess would that they would be built into the plane (like a stealth bomber) and not attached to a moving normal plane from a remote location. To attempt that would bring in a bunch of variables that are uncontrollable to the "projector". Weather, light variations, and other planes all seem like wild cards that would potentially wreck the projection. The idea that there can be projected images of hologram planes in daylight seems to be a problem to me because of unpredictable variables in the environment.

First, they have to have some reflecting background to relay the images to our eyes. There should be some potential technology somewhere that hints at daylight continual solid images being able to projected on the sky.

Second, if we accept the working hypothesis that 4th density denizens are behind some UFO sightings, then the holographic plane theory creates a problem. The UFO's don't seem able to manifest in 3rd density for the same amount of time or solidity that the 9/11 757's do according to any videos I've seen of either UFO's or 9/11. Also if 4D operants are ultimately pulling strings to create chaos war and fear, wouldn't the best thing for their purposes to actually crash physical planes and kill people?

They do need blood sacrifices for their program to progress. And yes, I've looked at the "fly by wire", hackable plane control systems too. I think you are bang on that any plane (at least a Boeing) can be taken over remotely. But then why would you need holographic planes if you can crash real ones?
 
Jtucker, thanks for your thoughts on this. Yes, the dumb things are always drifting around here, the C-17's that is, evidently waiting for the Rainer Caldera to go Krakatoa on us locals.

I realize how unlikely it seems that an entire plane could be an illusion. Especially when the seem to appear so solid, but maybe you're on to something. I've done a fair amount of investigation in to cloaking by reading through available scholarly articles. Whatever is available is almost certainly primitive compared to what's in corporate vaults.

Almost half of all records in the US archives are classified, and of course no public access is available to corporate archives where the real information is kept. We are still using the same aviation technology we were using 50 years ago. All of which seems to me to be an unlikely outcome for trillions of dollars.

Now this business you're referring to evidently involves the placement of led film or OLED film on the outside of the craft and matches the visible surroundings like a TV Screen is my understanding. This idea might have had unintended consequences.

According to the C's I think, light is a byproduct of gravity, which frankly makes sense to me. Light spun in a tube can theoretically result in time control or manipulation or teleportation by bending space time. I think I have that right.

Light carries momentum and the idea is that the more energy contained in the light, like a laser beam is condensed light, the greater the momentum and when spun about an axis can create a sort of tunnel to transport one through time. Either that or it does others things as well. How exactly is beyond me but obviously Erwin Allen was hip to the idea in the early 60's which is revealing I think.

More recently, as you or others may already know, this time travel idea was revived by DR. Robert Mallet in the mainstream. Probably a little teaser or distraction, but contains some explanations. Mallet proposed using mirrors to make lasers orbit about a an axis to create a tunnel.

I took this concept and began following the links via available information on related technology that is known and found that there seems to be like an effort to create a means to make Mallets' idea a reality. I think most anyone can follow the idea's presented by logically following what sort of technology would be necessary.

You can see the development of lasers first off, then fiber optics, then magnetic fields for restraining plasma (energy) and so is that all just accidental then?

Now going back to your statements and forgetting about your friends poor tie down jobs, if I'm following your the idea here, it is that this object dragging along behind the plane is the projector or detector which is feeding information to the actual aircraft. A worth while notion which may be entirely accurate for reasons as yet unclear.

I've got to run but wanted to dash this off to you, but as well one might think that a plasma film covering an entire object, and fed with sufficient energy could perhaps also result in some other warping effects.
 
To continue with a reply to your posting.

Jtucker said:
Second, if we accept the working hypothesis that 4th density denizens are behind some UFO sightings, then the holographic plane theory creates a problem. The UFO's don't seem able to manifest in 3rd density for the same amount of time or solidity that the 9/11 757's do according to any videos I've seen of either UFO's or 9/11. Also if 4D operants are ultimately pulling strings to create chaos war and fear, wouldn't the best thing for their purposes to actually crash physical planes and kill people?

Yes, your point is valid and poses a problem. Your question is logical. For me to attempt to construct plausible explanations is to engage in speculations which I cannot and do not know regarding the rationale behind denizens of the 4th dimension.

What we can see, however, is that the history of humankind is engage in ever more creative means to devise tools of terror, and in this way the ability to maintain a physical presence of terror in the 3rd dimension over us 3D denizens is maintained.

If forced to make a conjecture about the probable rationale by 4th density denizens it would likely be the aforementioned because they cannot maintain that physical presence, at least ways not yet, but by these means of creativity a focused creation of physical tools in the way of technological tools does mean a pathway will eventually be created.

Does that make sense?

Jtucker said:
They do need blood sacrifices for their program to progress. And yes, I've looked at the "fly by wire", hackable plane control systems too. I think you are bang on that any plane (at least a Boeing) can be taken over remotely. But then why would you need holographic planes if you can crash real ones?

I can only speculate about the probable answers from the vantage point of vast ignorance which makes all things possible.
It's a good question.

Off hand I'd have to think that the answer would be inside of the logistics of how to accomplish an objective with a greater goal, which would mean in this case the larger blood sacrifice which came about later as a result of the act and the explanation as to why would have to lie outside of the technology itself, and be contained in the psychology of the mind behind the crime.

As you say, even assuming the existence of a more advanced technology proposed in the no planes hypothesis, that would not explain why such technology would be used when it wouldn't evidently be needed.

That is all true but what the evidence shows is assorted anomalies. So we have to then construct an explanation for the anomaly or else we have to think that 4D denizens are merely joy riding along to soak it all up.

The problem I see with this last idea is that it leaves out the psychology of the human mind which is supposedly being used to forward a longer term agenda. The 4D can operate in the 3D for brief periods and not fully so and must operate through the physical beings of the 3D world.

This brings us to the psychology of the players presently ruling our lives.

This is probably not going to be very clear, and it's difficult to make clear quite frankly because there's a sort of pathway to the goal which transits across the mentality of those whom are enabled to use the secret forbidden information systems and inventions of this empire. Understanding some of the shared psychology which would be inclined to use things unnecessary to accomplish a goal is key to understanding (I think anyways) as their particular form of psychosis, of delusional processes of thinking, are the enabling tools through which these acts such as 9/11 manifest, and quite frankly probably can only manifest through this type of mentality.

It is essentially the psychology behind so called criminal thought which is the enabling tool because it will seek to prove itself in ways which are unlikely to be sought by otherwise whole human beings. The psychology of the criminal mind shares a rebellion of sorts against the impersonal valueless world held against human life and indeed all life on this planet. This anti-life philosophy is the creation of the of business and American Business in particular. It is a process of thought commonly found in individuals whom are prone to do crime as a means to validate egotistical identity in an impersonal world, and by doing so they validate that their lives mean something and that they are themselves not a valueless other as they have been educated to believe. So it's a reactionary response to stimuli at base. What you teach is what you get kind of thing.

A hallmark of criminological thought is a belief in superior creativity, or a personal belief in their own cleverness one might say, and as a kind of affirmation of the self as a superior being. Psychologically this is a common problem in a modern society over all, which amounts to the teachings that you're a nobody, or rather being told you're a nobody and of no significance whom can be replaced at a moments notice. Schools might say on the face of it that they are not teaching this, but the aware can see this isn't the case at all, they are after all mere functionaries of the industrial elites.

Incidentally, if you were to look for a root cause of crime in America you can start right there with this so called business philosophy, because this is what business subscribes to as a philosophy and this is a root cause of psychological malfunction in many people, and this inferiority complex leads to a lot of violence, not so much because one may well feel inferior, but that the entire society then attempts to prove that they are your superior. So it's essentially criminogenic, that is it creates crime and leads to violence. Probably the whole idea.

OK, so when this kind of individual is placed in control of a system they will not seek a conventional manner to express themselves in a constructive way, but to devise schemes which, in their mind anyways, will self-validate their worth as a superior being by demonstrating to themselves, if no one else, that their cleverness is far beyond the average person.

It is a common theme found throughout all forms of crime; The validation of self worth through the use of inventive cleverness, but done exclusively to feed personal gain. A justification for which is the delusion of superiority and worth above and beyond all others. It's important to understand this notion of what constitutes personal gain is not related to money per say, though it can be that as well. The psychosis can manifest itself in almost any form of perverse obsession, from money grubbing nut cases like the Koch Brothers whom are clearly dangers to our society, to a serial killer with bad social skills offing women under the guise of needed sex because he's a repressed homosexual whom hates women for whatever reasons as Theodore Robert Bundy was. So it can be almost anything but as always the use of inventive and often unnecessary gimicks are a hallmark in trade. A kind of shock and awe scheme in the mind of these people.

So when you have these kinds of minds controlling the available technology, the educational systems, the military, and the economic and political systems, themselves primarily concentrated therein, then the first thing they do is to seek unconventional avenues to express their superiority. This means that they well use the un-necessary in schemes where in it isn't required. Often as a kind of shock and awe effect upon those around them, and by doing so validate in their own minds that the people around them see their greatness.

I don't know if that makes much sense to you, but it's a common theme. Ultimately I would say, off hand, that this psychosis is a mental aberration which is fundamental and central to the pathology of the consolidation of wealth and power and which has no limits. Through this likeness of mind the drive to create control and oppression is then a validation of superiority. A criminal history of mankind in short.
 
Hi gambeir,

You've dug into the holographic plane world. I can't say that I can grasp the technology you're discussing. But it does seem very plausible.

And the psychology you propose that's behind it, seems a "ponerology" of small-level Chamber of Commerce types in combination with the bigger players at the military-industrial level that makes sense to me. I have seen that type of collusion in the work I do in logistics, but I haven't seen the technology in terms of the holographic variety. But as I don't live near any hot spots like Virginia, Texas or California where there are a high concentration of experimental bases, that may be the reason. What I observe isn't likely to reveal any of the technology we're discussing.

What I can say that I have observed is a pair of unmarked small jets flying irregular patterns. As I've worked near our airport for the past 15 years and regularly take lunch at a park that overlooks the runways, I've seen these two jets regularly fly circles around the city, come close to landing and then take off before touching down. This happens all between regular commercial landings, which take place about 15 min. apart during daylight (we have a lot of slow moving turbo prop commuter type planes come in from the north during the day). These two jets are never seen together flying. But they seem to alternate over the years doing the same maneuvers.

They aren't "weird" looking planes, but they don't have call letters visible.

I am 90% sure the one I see the most often is a Bombardier like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_Challenger_600_series

I've asked a friend that does baggage handling at the airport (not the same one who left the forklift in the Antonov) and described the plane to him. He sees it regularly, but is sure it's a private plane and there's nothing unusual he can see about its coming and goings. There are DC-3's and water bombers that just sit and occasionally fly, why would a small private jet draw attention? Our airport is also attached to 17 Wing of the CAF, and they run the CF-18's on training exercises. So there's a lot of activity that would more likely draw attention than a small civilian jet.

Here's an article from Minneapolis (500 miles south of us) that pretty much describes the exact flight behavior of the jet I've seen over Winnipeg a number of times over the years.

http://www.startribune.com/nighttime-flight-circles-low-over-twin-cities-for-hours/305398901/

I would agree with you that there is frequent unusual plane activity observable. But I only see it in physical planes. There must be glitches caught on cell phones somewhere of the holographic types? If you can dig something up that you feel is really compelling, please pass it along.

I also started a thread here a while ago that touched on some anomalous jet activity in my local area in the 50's if it's something that interests you.

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,35514.msg509965.html#msg509965
 
Jtucker said:
You've dug into the holographic plane world. I can't say that I can grasp the technology you're discussing. But it does seem very plausible.

First let me say right off that this is a really big subject area with many crossovers. I'm trying to be brief without overloading, but it's tough to do and I'm certainly no expert in any material science.

We are only now beginning to understand the significance of light, what it may be and hold, what it might do, interact, and this crosses biology of the cell to theories of spatial dimension and time. Ultimately Light is energy and it contains information.

Plasma energies are magnetic. We already know plasma can modify aerodynamics, render radar useless, and cancel sound. These properties should also enable us to bend time, warp space, control gravity, and we know it can bend light because it is light and it's magnetic.

OK, so ...No, I wouldn't say that I've dug in to holograms. What I've done is I've spent some energy gathering information on cloaking technology. With that you also run into is plasma research.

If these hologram like images exist in 3D then they are undoubtedly made from a plasma since it can be controlled with magnetism. Or, alternatively, perhaps a plasma is the supporting material for an actual projected hologram.

This is speculation. I have not run into any white papers or other information which even begins to speculate or research this area. Undoubtedly classified I would imagine, but I don't think that 3D images in open air are impossible. They just seem even more far fetched than invisibility and probably because of the fact that there doesn't seem to be anything out there to validate the speculations.

Time will tell, but as to the "No Plane Hypothesis," what I understand is that the state security made a concerted effort to round up all the independent video's they could find. The video which is available from the networks clearly shows manipulation with a computer generated image because, in a frame by frame analysis, there is one video which catches the nose of a plane coming out the other side of the building intact and prestine. A virtual impossiblility by any standard.

I think what you have is a planned operation with the full cooperation of the media. That regardless of whether or not real planes existed, the video which aired was not real time video. There is no question about that viewing the film frame by frame.

This was to me the ultimate proof of conspiracy and complete and total treason by the broadcasters. From my personal point of view, a no planes hypothesis really has more to do with this than with the theoritical notion that holograms were used. The evidence of treason is on their own tapes.

Every time there is another supposed mass shooting there is a handy training program running. The one today in California is no different. Supposedly SWAT was training nearby. How handy and lucky was that?

I live with someone whom is not colinear and who is entranced with the theatrics. So no planes? Does it really matter? Well it does matter, but it shouldn't. There's not a single thing brodcast from any of the billionaries propaganda systems which should be believe or given the slightest shred of regard.

I live in fear these days because the people are so gullible, as to believe these theatrics.

In this discussion I only want to show that however unlikely holographic like images might seem, there
is still a possiblility that they are real, and that we are only as yet unaware of how real they might seem.
The basis being that there is some reason to think it's not as unlikely as it first would seem.

Not saying you have to read this. Good Lord no, that's a lot of time and work. It's a dated piece but has
a couple graphics.
Recent advances in transformation optics, Yongmin Liu and Xiang Zhang Pub June 2012.
http://xlab.me.berkeley.edu/pdf/10.1039_c2nr31140b.pdf


Jtucker said:
I also started a thread here a while ago that touched on some anomalous jet activity in my local area in the 50's if it's something that interests you.

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,35514.msg509965.html#msg509965

Yes, I'm going to move over there with the rest of this.
 
I think the two main arguments for a holographic plane theory are:

1. The planes that hit the towers flew much faster than is physically possible for them at that altitude.

2. That video of the nose of one of the planes appearing intact on the other side of the tower.
 
Aloha,


I found this theory about the steel towers turning into dust before they hit the ground a bit interesting myself...........and the notion of a type of "free energy" device possibly being used in reverse.......definitley strange that the firefighters didn't find one piece of glass, or so they say. I wasn't aware that hurricane Erin was happening symotaniously right outside to east of New York during the events of 9/11......I guess that's not so strange considering the events that were taking place.

The alignment of Saturn and Pluto in Gemini??

https://youtu.be/f4IWZQS4irw
 
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