A discussion log: social crystallization and creating a new world

[HowToBe]

Monotonic and I had a chat discussion that spun off of an attempt to create a word that meant something similar to "authoritarian follower" and put a sort of spin on the phrase "conspiracy theorist". I had the idea of "stability theorist", did an internet search, and it went from there:

[04:56:05] <HowToBe> Wow, it seems I wasn't far off with the "stability theorist" idea. "Hegemonic stability theory": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemonic_stability_theory

[04:56:39] <monotonic> Shorten it to hegemostasis or something?

[04:57:27] <HowToBe> Hurry, that planet is going into hegemostatic shock!

[04:57:53] <monotonic> Sounds like something from Stardrop...

[04:58:01] <HowToBe> Yeah.

[04:59:00] <HowToBe> Reading further on, the wiki article starts to sound more reasonable or plausible, at least until I return to basic premise and realize that it is essentially a schizoidal declaration.

[05:00:26] <HowToBe> Schizoidia: "Charles P. Kindleberger is one of the scholars most closely associated with HST, and is regarded by some as the theory's father.[6] In the 1973 book The World in Depression: 1929-1939, he argued that the economic chaos between World War I and World War II that led to the Great Depression was partly attributable to the lack of a world leader with a dominant economy. Kindleberger's reasoning touched upon more than economics, however: the central idea behind HST is that the stability of the global system, in terms of politics, international law, and so on, relies on the hegemon to develop and enforce the rules of the system.[7]"

[05:04:31] <HowToBe> I just had a realization. The networking of social connections that naturally occurs between people can be thought of as a sort of crystallization. Traditionally, the world tends to crystallize around leaders, with your psychopaths, SDO's, and schizoidals, etc. heading to the top and poisoning everyone's thinking about how social and political relations work. "Remember that you need us." ...

[05:07:33] <HowToBe> ... So a society that didn't operate on a traditional leader format would be like a different phase of crystallization. Instead of very large crystals forming around galvanizing personalities (does galvan- have something to do with crystals?) you would have a more uniform or transitioning structure, maybe without such clear boundaries?

[05:08:48] <monotonic> Whenever there is crystallization of some sort, it is because energies at every node are arranged in such a way that they hold each other in place. The more unnatural the pattern, the more energy is stored in it's bonds. If the pattern degrades, the energy is released from these bonds. Depending on whether that energy is direct back inward or outwards or however it occurs, it can have various effects but one of them is almost always negative resistance and resulting instability.

[05:09:27] <monotonic> A structure with all nodes aligned rather than with all nodes pointed towards a center.?

[05:12:07] <HowToBe> Something like that. Perhaps with everything aligned with a magnetic center??? The idea being that the magnetic center is aligned uniformly, not just toward itself. I guess.

[05:14:19] <HowToBe> I'm reminded of melted butter or coconut oil. Let them freeze slowly and you get large crystals in coco, or grains in butter/ghee, freeze them quickly and you get smaller crystals, or a smooth texture if it is fast enough.

[05:16:26] <HowToBe> So how would you get the whole world to spontaneously organize like the boaters did on 9/11, so quickly that the psychos would only be like minor interruptions in the crystal field?

[05:16:41] <HowToBe> And keep it stable?

[05:18:34] <monotonic> For them to do so would shatter a lot of emotional buffers, and we know people can't handle stress. One of the main problems is that under stress people cling to authority.

[05:18:57] <monotonic> One of the main things then would be to make them feel safe.

[05:19:48] <HowToBe> Somehow help people open up to their inner sources of stength, in other words.

[05:20:40] <HowToBe> I'm reminded of the idea that if 8% of the world woke up, the world could break free of the control system. Is that how it went?

[05:21:51] <monotonic> But, are there 8% of people in the world who could wake up in such a way?

[05:22:04] <monotonic> That is 1 in every 12 people.

[05:25:03] <HowToBe> It certainly couldn't happen all at once, and it would have to happen very nonlinearly I would think. But there is also the idea that 200 conscious people could change the world. So maybe that's the first step.

[05:27:51] <HowToBe> Such people could survive and handle the shocks that would "melt" the rest of the world (world cataclysm?), so if there were enough of them remaining and still properly aligned, the new world might crystallize around the "field" they produced?

[05:29:33] <HowToBe> The way they interacted with each other (and, importantly, psychopaths) would serve as an example to those who had survived but were having trouble coping, maybe, and set tyhe stage for a different kind of world?

[05:30:10] <HowToBe> I guess the way they interacted with the world in general.

[05:31:21] <monotonic> Perhaps, but it depends on whether it is 3D or 4D they are coming into.

[05:33:04] <HowToBe> I suppose so. This line of thought doesn't directly take into account hyperdimensional dynamics, a pretty large unknown factor.

Above, SDO stand for Social Dominance Orientation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_dominance_orientation

FWIW.

 

[Archaea]

Monotonic and I had a chat discussion that spun off of an attempt to create a word that meant something similar to "authoritarian follower" and put a sort of spin on the phrase "conspiracy theorist". I had the idea of "stability theorist", did an internet search, and it went from there:

Would the plural form of "stability theorist" be "sheeple?"

[04:56:05] <HowToBe> Wow, it seems I wasn't far off with the "stability theorist" idea. "Hegemonic stability theory": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemonic_stability_theory

[04:56:39] <monotonic> Shorten it to hegemostasis or something?

[04:57:27] <HowToBe> Hurry, that planet is going into hegemostatic shock!

[04:57:53] <monotonic> Sounds like something from Stardrop...

[04:58:01] <HowToBe> Yeah.

[04:59:00] <HowToBe> Reading further on, the wiki article starts to sound more reasonable or plausible, at least until I return to basic premise and realize that it is essentially a schizoidal declaration.

I only read the introduction to the Wikipedia article, but to me it sounds like NWO kind of stuff. I feel like the world doesn't really need a leader to dictate how the worlds economy is going to be balanced, it's more than capable of balancing itself, provided the corrupt don't get in the way.

 

[HowToBe]

I only read the introduction to the Wikipedia article, but to me it sounds like NWO kind of stuff. I feel like the world doesn't really need a leader to dictate how the worlds economy is going to be balanced, it's more than capable of balancing itself, provided the corrupt don't get in the way.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. The first sentence or two identifies it for what it is, thus my reference to the 9/11 event. Here is the reference for that, by the way:

http://www.sott.net/article/272150-Psychopaths-in-power-The-Parasite-on-the-Human-Super-organism

You get a clear glimpse of the human super-organism at work from time to time. One of the least reported aspects of 9/11, which was in fact also the single biggest event that day, was the evacuation of about one million people from lower Manhattan by water "in an emergent network of private and publicly owned watercraft." It wasn't part of any government or local authority drill, it wasn't organized or ordered by any 'established authorities', in fact it wasn't planned at all. While New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani was busy talking to the press, ordinary people on the ground sought information from one another, made inquiries and then just spontaneously engaged in collective decision-making and helped one another to safety in a calm and orderly manner. Their 'established' societal and hierarchical roles - banker, garbage man, foreigner, Port Authority guard, lawyer, nurse, policeman - pretty much went out the window while, in an act of collective self-preservation, they tapped into the true bonds that connect social animals. Far from being a fear-based response of 'the mob', it was the society of man responding to chaos with order.

Would the plural form of "stability theorist" be "sheeple?"

Well that's in the general area. I think monotonic was looking to coin or find a word that would be less likely to "click people off" when it was used. Something that would convey the idea of someone who uses all of the same sort of pseudo-logic and irrationality that "conspiracy theorists" are accused of (and which some do display), except in a person who is actually defending the established system. "It is the established way of doing things, so it can't be wrong," that sort of attitude. At least that's how I understood what he was looking for, and I might not be explaining it quite right.

 

[Archaea]

I only read the introduction to the Wikipedia article, but to me it sounds like NWO kind of stuff. I feel like the world doesn't really need a leader to dictate how the worlds economy is going to be balanced, it's more than capable of balancing itself, provided the corrupt don't get in the way.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. The first sentence or two identifies it for what it is, thus my reference to the 9/11 event. Here is the reference for that, by the way:

http://www.sott.net/article/272150-Psychopaths-in-power-The-Parasite-on-the-Human-Super-organism

You get a clear glimpse of the human super-organism at work from time to time. One of the least reported aspects of 9/11, which was in fact also the single biggest event that day, was the evacuation of about one million people from lower Manhattan by water "in an emergent network of private and publicly owned watercraft." It wasn't part of any government or local authority drill, it wasn't organized or ordered by any 'established authorities', in fact it wasn't planned at all. While New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani was busy talking to the press, ordinary people on the ground sought information from one another, made inquiries and then just spontaneously engaged in collective decision-making and helped one another to safety in a calm and orderly manner. Their 'established' societal and hierarchical roles - banker, garbage man, foreigner, Port Authority guard, lawyer, nurse, policeman - pretty much went out the window while, in an act of collective self-preservation, they tapped into the true bonds that connect social animals. Far from being a fear-based response of 'the mob', it was the society of man responding to chaos with order.

I think that's interesting. I'm reading a Seth book at the moment called the individual and the nature of mass events, in it he says that people basically always have good intentions, and I think I agree with him. He also says that we have been taught that our impulses are selfish, a result of the survival of the fittest, but it's not true, our impulses are altruistic and unselfish and we can trust them and trust ourselves.

I think example you provided above about 9/11 is a good example of what Seth's talking about. The people seem to have acted on impulse in a non-selfish way. Darwin's theory would have said that in such a situation everybody would have been looking out solely for themselves, for survivals sake, and not helping others.

Of course, I don't think this applies to psychopaths and 4D alien robots.

Would the plural form of "stability theorist" be "sheeple?"

Well that's in the general area. I think monotonic was looking to coin or find a word that would be less likely to "click people off" when it was used. Something that would convey the idea of someone who uses all of the same sort of pseudo-logic and irrationality that "conspiracy theorists" are accused of (and which some do display), except in a person who is actually defending the established system. "It is the established way of doing things, so it can't be wrong," that sort of attitude. At least that's how I understood what he was looking for, and I might not be explaining it quite right.

Yeah, if monotonic was looking for a less offensive word for "sheeple" then I think that's a good idea. I think calling others "sheeple" has the potential to either put others on the defensive or create an "us and them" mentality, where they're the sheeple and we're not. Just because someone is a stability theorist doesn't mean they should be judged as being a sheep and not a person. OSIT.

 

[Nienna]

Well that's in the general area. I think monotonic was looking to coin or find a word that would be less likely to "click people off" when it was used. Something that would convey the idea of someone who uses all of the same sort of pseudo-logic and irrationality that "conspiracy theorists" are accused of (and which some do display), except in a person who is actually defending the established system. "It is the established way of doing things, so it can't be wrong," that sort of attitude. At least that's how I understood what he was looking for, and I might not be explaining it quite right.

Makes me wonder what their reaction would be to saying, "Oh, you're one of the authoritarian followers!"