A gift of necklace from the "wrong" person?

[Aiming]

Just a little question and in case I've missed something, maybe someone can direct me to a relevant thread.

In the summer a woman S. I got to know gave me a necklace as a gift. She told me how her mother who was making such necklaces told her to take this necklace on her journey to Europe and S. couldn't think of why she should take it with her, but on her mother's insistence she did. Then, she got to know me, and had an image in her mind that I was supposed to wear this necklace. And she gave it to me. I was moved to tears and so grateful. This necklace has this type of blueish-greyish stone in it from the region in the U.S. where a Lakota tribe was dwelling. This fit with the non-spoken of "secret" in my father's family line of how his father was half Native American, which, if it was true, I also have this lineage in me. So receiving this gift, I felt like some connection to my ancestors had been made (I know how that sounds..).

When I was wearing it in the first few weeks I would feel very energized and as if linked to my (alleged) Native American heritage. I would feel strong and confident.
But, and this is where doubts were entering the picture: I had a dream. It was this type of dream where there is a certain flavour to it, and it only occurs when it warns me of people who are dangerous to me. In this dream I was wearing the necklace and suddenly it started to strangle me, and the atmosphere of the dream was threatening and dark. Also, I had this same type of warning dream concerning that person, S., who seems on the one hand to be very healed, but is New Agey.

My question now is: can a necklace from the "wrong person" do harm to me, energy-wise? I haven't worn it for a few months because of this dream. I'd be glad for any thoughts.

 

[Aiming]

Oh, I'm sorry, I've just noticed this is the wrong board, I wanted to write it in the What's on your mind board.. :(
Could a mod please move this thread and sorry for the inconvenience..

[Moderator: done]

 

[Bo]

Hello Puzzle,

Have you ever thought about that the feelings of energization came from YOU instead of the necklace? Imagination can be a powerful tool, you identified with the object and thus you created a force within yourself that energized you, you used your imagination to empower you, it was not the necklace.

In this dream I was wearing the necklace and suddenly it started to strangle me

Have you ever thought that this could be a symbolized sign of letting you know that you trust too much on a necklace for ''power''(or that you identify to much with it?) instead of using your own abilities?

Look there is nothing wrong with wearing beautifull necklasses , rings, etc, as long as you don't attach to it too much, beautiful jewelry can make an individual happy and energized, but don't attach deeply to this object.

can a necklace from the "wrong person" do harm to me, energy-wise?

What is a ''wrong person''? If you are talking about rituals here, then look below.

A: Rituals are self-defeating.

A: The only defense needed is knowledge. Knowledge defends you
against every possible form of harm in existence. The more
knowledge you have, the less fear you have, the less pain you have,
the less stress you feel, the less anguish you feel, and the less
danger you experience of any form or sort. Think of this very
carefully now for this is very important: Where is there any limitation
in the concept behind the word "knowledge"? Being that there is no
limitation, what is the value of that word? Infinite. Can you conceive
of how that one concept, that one meaning frees you from all
limitation? Use your sixth sense to conceive of how the word, the
term, the meaning of knowledge can provide with all that you could
possibly ever need. If you think carefully you will begin to see
glimpses of how this is true in its greatest possible form.

 

[Aiming]

Hello Puzzle,

Have you ever thought about that the feelings of energization came from YOU instead of the necklace? Imagination can be a powerful tool, you identified with the object and thus you created a force within yourself that energized you, you used your imagination to empower you, it was not the necklace.

Ha ha, this is funny, how can I overlook such an obvious thing?

In this dream I was wearing the necklace and suddenly it started to strangle me

Have you ever thought that this could be a symbolized sign of letting you know that you trust too much on a necklace for ''power''(or that you identify to much with it?) instead of using your own abilities?

As indicated above, no, I haven't. Funny how blind I can be. That's a message I should've grokked from Disney loong ago, lol.

Look there is nothing wrong with wearing beautifull necklasses , rings, etc, as long as you don't attach to it too much, beautiful jewelry can make an individual happy and energized, but don't attach deeply to this object.

You see, it's not that I'm all crazy about jewellry, on the contrary, I only have two necklaces and one pair of ear rings. So that's not the deal. I was getting some kind of fear that this person I got it from, who's a New Age type, can somehow harm me through this necklace. Well, talk about paranoia...

can a necklace from the "wrong person" do harm to me, energy-wise?

What is a ''wrong person''? If you are talking about rituals here, then look below.

As explained above, "wrong" as in a person, who's of the New Age type, thereby potentially harming me via this gift. And I wasn't talking about rituals, but it seems some paranoia got hold of me here.

Thanks for your externallly considerate patience with me, Bo! :)

 

[Bo]

As explained above, "wrong" as in a person, who's of the New Age type, thereby potentially harming me via this gift.

You know, there are a lot of ''new agey'' people who are good men(good as in: they respect the opinion of others, they show support , etc.) , but with wrong/false knowledge, the only thing that could harm you in this situation of yours is lack of knowledge(which basically applies to everything in life) , ''new agey'' people like to talk about what they have discovered with others, but sadly they don't realize that it is mostly disinformation.

If your friend would tell you disinformation and you believe this disinformation , then yes at that moment you are ''harmed'' , but could a gift harm you? no. A gift is merely that, a gift, unless you start to identify so strongly with your gift that you start to ''harm'' yourself.

A: Disinformation comes from seemingly reliable sources. It is
extremely important for you to not gather false knowledge as it is
more damaging than no knowledge at all. Remember knowledge
protects, ignorance endangers.

 

[Aiming]

As explained above, "wrong" as in a person, who's of the New Age type, thereby potentially harming me via this gift.

You know, there are a lot of ''new agey'' people who are good men(good as in: they respect the opinion of others, they show support , etc.) , but with wrong/false knowledge, the only thing that could harm you in this situation of yours is lack of knowledge(which basically applies to everything in life) , ''new agey'' people like to talk about what they have discovered with others, but sadly they don't realize that it is mostly disinformation.

If your friend would tell you disinformation and you believe this disinformation , then yes at that moment you are ''harmed'' , but could a gift harm you? no. A gift is merely that, a gift, unless you start to identify so strongly with your gift that you start to ''harm'' yourself.

It strikes me as odd that I could've thought a person could harm me through a necklace, just because this person is New Agey.

I've thought about this and I've realized there's more to this than meets the eye.
First of all, after your first reply I was surprised how my mind was working in this case, as if there was an aspect of "magical thinking" in there. I still wonder how I could make that connection that somebody could harm me via a necklace. It's probably because I've read and heard how objects have the energy imprint of their keepers. I thought her energy on my necklace would somehow do something to my energy system (harm), or because the gift from her would establish some type of energetic connection. But then, she had also told me how she had never worn this necklace herself. Thus my thinking didn't work out here. Rather, I was being ruled by some type of magical belief.

But there is more to it. Bo's replies got me thinking and I am seeing how I've been engaging in a very unhealthy black and white thinking concerning people. At some point, in my mind, everybody who is not collinear with me, and especially the New Ageys, got a place in the drawer of "Whishfully thinking person and choosing so, thus potential agent, thus harmful to me, thus be extremely suspicious and careful".
Now, you can imagine that actually everyone, apart from people of the forum (at least those that I "know" from frequent reading or interacting on the forum), falls into this category. So it is almost everyone I've been seeing as potentially harmful to me. Which has created a world and its people = potentially harmful, the forum and its people = not harmful. This black and white thinking about people is not anything new. It was there before. Think of an infant being taught that the world is cold and cruel, because its needs weren't met. That's hard-wiring and over the course of life has only taken on different masks.

In the Wave series (I don't remember where now) Laura writes about the neccessity for those, who've received the Call (via those dreams of having one's body dis- and then re-assembled again) and who've decided to follow the Call, to exclude all people from one's personal life who aren't collinear, as well as cutting off contact with someone if their connection is to people whose aims are opposed to those of the Seeker, as engagement with them would do harm / invite attack / drain energy.

Needless to say, I'm not at the stage of the true Seeker, I'm in the process of getting to know my machine and in the process of healing. Which means the Matrix can easily influence me via internal hooks, externals aren't neccessary as yet. Thus, what Laura wrote concerning this matter does not yet apply to me.


So, that's where, in some entangled way, my thinking in this respect was coming from. That the necklace, via an energetic connection to the non-collinear person, who gave it to me, could harm me. My related "warning dream" had only confirmed me in my assumptions.

Comments are of course welcome.

Again, thank you, Bo!

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

It's probably because I've read and heard how objects have the energy imprint of their keepers.

But then why limit it to just the necklace. What about all the other stuff you own - how much of it was used or made by another person? Wouldn't almost everything be harming you then?

At some point, in my mind, everybody who is not collinear with me, and especially the New Ageys, got a place in the drawer of "Whishfully thinking person and choosing so, thus potential agent, thus harmful to me, thus be extremely suspicious and careful".

I don't think that's so wrong - the general law and by extension the MCS work through conscious and unconscious agents to keep us drained, distracted, and asleep. And as long as we are machines, our own machine is one of the agents. But if you just be aware of this it doesn't mean you can't have good will towards people and have positive and meaningful relationships with people, as long as you are vigilant and are looking out for "attacks" by recognizing the signs. Conversely, it's not good to imagine signs where there are none, so in both cases knowledge and perspicacity are paramount. You don't want to waste energy fighting off imaginary demons, just as you don't want to be caught off-guard by real attacks.

In the Wave series (I don't remember where now) Laura writes about the neccessity for those, who've received the Call (via those dreams of having one's body dis- and then re-assembled again) and who've decided to follow the Call, to exclude all people from one's personal life who aren't collinear, as well as cutting off contact with someone if their connection is to people whose aims are opposed to those of the Seeker, as engagement with them would do harm / invite attack / drain energy.

Yeah but cutting off contact is a practical solution when the danger is real, but it doesn't really help if the danger is imagined. If you are unsure, it never hurts to share with the network, as you have done.

Needless to say, I'm not at the stage of the true Seeker, I'm in the process of getting to know my machine and in the process of healing. Which means the Matrix can easily influence me via internal hooks, externals aren't neccessary as yet.

I think it's always a mix. The danger is to attribute what is internal to external attack because it's always harder to admit to ourselves that we are the problem and not someone or something outside of us. When we are in a state of sleep, we can't really tell apart an attack from a non-attack because our predator perceives anything as an attack that threatens it, which would include the truth. So I would agree to focus on healing your internal distortions and programs (with the help of EE program now that we have it!), and if you perceive that someone may be a draining you or just being a negative influence, it may be a good idea to share it in the forum (assuming it is not too personal) so that others can help you see the situation more objectively, which avoids the filter of your own programs and predator and helps you learn to see such situations more objectively on your own in the future.

 

[Aiming]

It's probably because I've read and heard how objects have the energy imprint of their keepers.

But then why limit it to just the necklace. What about all the other stuff you own - how much of it was used or made by another person? Wouldn't almost everything be harming you then?

Yes. Point taken.
This type of thinking must be a remnant of my own past with New Age. Believing without questioning.

And I see there's a whole lot of distortion in my thinking processes. I have to work on that.

At some point, in my mind, everybody who is not collinear with me, and especially the New Ageys, got a place in the drawer of "Whishfully thinking person and choosing so, thus potential agent, thus harmful to me, thus be extremely suspicious and careful".

I don't think that's so wrong - the general law and by extension the MCS work through conscious and unconscious agents to keep us drained, distracted, and asleep.

Sorry, but what are MCS?

SAO, thanks, every point of your response makes sense to me. There is nothing more I can add.

 

[Beau]

Sorry, but what are MCS?

MCS stands for Matrix Control System.

 

[Aiming]

Thanks, Heimdallr!