I have a question for you that is bothering me. Is the soul mortal or immortal? Because if she is on the positive side (STO) then I understand that she is immortal. But if it's on the negative side (STS) it seems to become lethal. If each soul has a so-called divine spark/seed within it, then those beings that are STS kill this divine spark after collapsing into a so-called black hole (nothingness). Or maybe this divine spark does not die after the STS soul collapses into nothingness, but returns to God and starts evolution from the beginning from a spark/seed for millions or billions of years. Or maybe it is lost forever. At the same time, I inform you that I know that God does not lose anything because a spark/seed is only its replication.
A question from a novice about the mortality of the soul
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I think it all depends on individual choice. If the fundamental law of the universe is free will, then:
God would allow for that separation and soul destruction if that is the choice of the individual soul. Tricky thing is that God also allows for deceptions that mean that an individual may be making choices based on false information.
God would allow for that separation and soul destruction if that is the choice of the individual soul. Tricky thing is that God also allows for deceptions that mean that an individual may be making choices based on false information.
Wandering Star
The Living Force
Yes, the matter is confusing.
What I can understand more or less is the following.
The STO path is quite well understood, because it seems that after each incarnation the person is freed from the material world and returns to the spiritual world (fifth density).
On the STS path, it may be that the person renounces the spiritual world, in favor of the survival of his personality. The person stays in the third or fourth density, in the less physical part. Perhaps it could be called the electromagnetic, plasma or similar world.
Then, the consciousness limited in its configuration by the incarnation, can get a body to continue acting in the material world, which would be a fourth-density STS body provided by, let's say, the powers that govern that option.
That is why the limit is the fourth density, because the limit is the material world in its many configurations.
Persistence in that option can lead to the destruction of the entire physical configuration of that consciousness, producing a "break" of the connection with the soul in fifth density. Everything is recycled into primary material components and starts the whole process over again from non-existence. The universe recreates from the atom.
It has been said, however, that at any time in fourth density, one can change their mind and return to fifth density to attempt further progress in an STO option, which will eventually lead to sixth density after the necessary work.
Those who have total power over time and matter are considered gods and the eventuality of their destruction will surely be taken into account, but those who like it will fight for their survival and to continue gaining power.
Of there is the phrase of the C's about the "lizards" and that their race is dying (I am paraphrasing), but apparently they persist in their choice.
This is what I understand on the matter.
Wandering Star
The Living Force
The following post illustrates both paths very well.
Well,
I think it depends on what you mean by immortal, and mortal.
I also don't think that positive or negative could be used to define STS or STO directly as such, STS and STO are orientations or modes of being in the universe, as I understand it. There are indeed STS souled beings, all of humanity for instance, and we all have a soul element despite the orientation.
I also get the sense that you're applying a linear approach to the question, and I think that might cloud the answer. I also suppose that in that sense it depends on what you mean by soul too.
Menna
The Living Force
After reading the book Life Between Life along with other information that all “match up” Souls grow and evolve gaining wisdom learning lessons. The Soul “needs” or should I say “chooses” to reincarnate or BE in 3D STS and other STS dynamics to learn about itself, life, the universe, live out its chosen fate (with free will). If one “fails” or doesn’t progress, complete what it set out to do in the pre life planning phase or commits suicide it is said that the soul has to start over again. Or will have to enter 3D STS again.
There are many souls that supposedly make up one big “soul” or “thing” this thing I guess one can call God or creator or maybe the souls gain wisdom learns gathers it all for what EXACTLY I don’t know. I’ve read/learned to picture a bedsheet all souls make up the intertwined fabric and the sheet moves…across what or what moves it I don’t know. But I assume the “matured” or learned “soul” one by one move it.
If STS “wins” in a souls lifetime I assume it is looked at as a “failure” or a sub optimal reincarnation but I quote all these words as if there’s no time how can one fail.
Also to answer your question with more precision I believe STS “kills” a soul or “delays” it by taking over its reincarnation fate and subverting the in between life plan of the soul’s reincarnation as the soul reincarnates in 3D and in avoiding this the soul learns or improves.
Keep in mind it’s tough to use “3D” language to describe something non 3D thus the soul, being, spirit, human organism has to learn to understand what can’t be exactly described using dictionary language IMO
This was little confusing due to the varying meaning of the words "existence", "reflection" and so on.
Few points from sessions:
It was not clear what is meant by "exist". Is it physical existence or ethereal existence.
In a weird way, this reminds me of "magical world" of Central banks. They give $10,000 loan to a customer and use that as a reason to get 100,000 from Federal reserve, which prints the dollars ( comes from the "trees"). In that sense banks doesn't lose any thing. It is the people who trusted the system is the "losers" as they have to burn their energy to repay the loans ( thousand different "instruments" as such) only to feed the "beast".
7-may-1995
Few points from sessions:
- The concept of black hole as the ultimate STS destination is relevant to densities 1-4 only. It may mean its physical part. What happens if one goes through black hole portal is the creation of primal atom as a "reflection".
- The concept Soul as God's spark is of 5th density which is contemplation zone. It may mean STS or STO. C's also told soul's doesn't die. It may mean 5D STS uses other physical vehicles of 1-4 densities until it learns forever.
- There is 6D STS as a reflection for the sake of balance.
- Even one moves in to 7D , there can be a fall ("Lucifer") and souls can come down.
- C's also said, 7D is every thing in existence. Then what is the difference 7D and lower densities ? C's also mentioned that densities are consciousness level categorization.
It was not clear what is meant by "exist". Is it physical existence or ethereal existence.
In a weird way, this reminds me of "magical world" of Central banks. They give $10,000 loan to a customer and use that as a reason to get 100,000 from Federal reserve, which prints the dollars ( comes from the "trees"). In that sense banks doesn't lose any thing. It is the people who trusted the system is the "losers" as they have to burn their energy to repay the loans ( thousand different "instruments" as such) only to feed the "beast".
7-may-1995
I am not sure whether I understand "encapsulated at five". May be it is thought form?
