A quick question

mocachapeau

Dagobah Resident
Hi everyone,

I would like to verify my understanding on a certain subject. Is it correct that a soul gradually evolves through the seven densities and then arrives at 8th/1st density, which is considered "one with the creator"? And at that point that soul then cycles back to first density and begins all over again as, say, a rock?

I mean this in terms of our limited understanding of the subject, not as a perfect description or an absolute, and am leaving out any possible deviations in the process for the sake of the general idea.

Am I close?

Thanks.
 
mocachapeau said:
I would like to verify my understanding on a certain subject. Is it correct that a soul gradually evolves through the seven densities and then arrives at 8th/1st density, which is considered "one with the creator"? And at that point that soul then cycles back to first density and begins all over again as, say, a rock?

Hi, not really as I understand it.

Perhaps this diagram from Secret History of The World can clarify the idea for you.

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Have you read this book, and the Wave Series? They will give you a very detailed description of what each density means.
 
I'm sorry I didn't reply right away. I was on my lunch hour and found myself without enough time.

I've read the first four books of the Wave series and Secret History so I am familiar with the diagram. My understanding of the diagram is that it represents all the possible paths existing between the different densities, all the different deviations from any kind of "direct path" from 1 through 7. And I think that this diagram illustrates quite well, when coupled with some understanding of the myriad of lessons a soul is presented with along the way, that a "direct path" from 1 through 7 is at best a hypothetical idea. I just wanted to look at it broadly, in the sense that evolution in upward movement through the seven densities is the general idea, no matter how many twists and turns one takes to get there.

But I had forgotten that it was 7th density that was considered "union with the one", not an 8th as I had put it (in not quite the right words, I might add). Thank you for clarifying that for me. I was thinking of 8th density as being the same thing as 1st density, as the next stop after 7th, but not as another sphere that would have appeared above 7th in the diagram.

What I'm wondering about is the nature of the step after 7th. Is the step after 7th density considered to be a return to 1st density (possibly as a rock) wherein the process starts all over again?
 
As I understand it seventh density is "union with the one" where all are one. The progress to that is the progress that are all making at all density levels. When all reach there (apparently at the same time) there is an "outbreath" once again, which may be akin to the "big bang" or the moment of creation as talked about in religious texts. Maybe at this point all densities are recreated and all souls and soul fragments take their positions in each density based on choice and probably a bunch of other things. And then the whole process of making the journey back to 7th density starts again. So it's kind of like a cosmic breathing in and out with a brief pause in between (probably for a cup of tea and a rest)
 
Perceval said:
As I understand it seventh density is "union with the one" where all are one. The progress to that is the progress that are all making at all density levels. When all reach there (apparently at the same time) there is an "outbreath" once again, which may be akin to the "big bang" or the moment of creation as talked about in religious texts. Maybe at this point all densities are recreated and all souls and soul fragments take their positions in each density based on choice and probably a bunch of other things. And then the whole process of making the journey back to 7th density starts again. So it's kind of like a cosmic breathing in and out with a brief pause in between (probably for a cup of tea and a rest)

That's an interesting way to look at it - clear description, too. I wasn't aware of the idea of all souls apparently arriving at the same time. Now I know that I wasn't TOO far off but you've added some interesting ideas to my understanding.

I have had some thoughts on the subject, and would like to share them, but I had to make sure there wasn't something colossally wrong with my understanding before I sat down and posted them. It may take me a bit of time to type.

Thanks Perceval.

I wonder what 7th density tea tastes like. I imagine it's quite thin.

Edit: I forgot to insert the quote at the top.
 
mocachapeau said:
I have had some thoughts on the subject, and would like to share them, but I had to make sure there wasn't something colossally wrong with my understanding before I sat down and posted them. It may take me a bit of time to type.

At the risk of sounding ridiculous, here are some of the thoughts I had on the subject:

Since I have music on the brain literally all the time, I often find my thoughts turning to the subject of the octaves in the process of our soul evolution. Recently I was considering this step from 7th density back to 1st density (or however that may go) and comparing it to the step from the 7th degree to the 8th/1st degree in a major scale.

When playing an ascending scale we start on the 1 and play each degree upward until we arrive at the 7 ( 1 ,2 ,3 ,4 ,5 ,6 ,7 ). The note that follows is actually the 8th (and last) degree of the scale, but we don't call it 8. We call it 1 because it is the “same” note as the 1 that we started on. But it isn't actually the same note as the first 1 – it's the same note but an octave higher.

In actual fact, it is both the 8 of the scale we just played AND the 1 of the scale that would follow if we kept playing upward. We just call it the 1 because it shares many harmonic characteristics with the lower 1. It serves the same function and occupies the same position in its own scale as the lower 1 does for its scale.

If we compare the two notes from the point of view of physics, I believe what they share is the same wavelength, hence the similar harmonic properties. But what is different about them is their vibrational frequencies. The 1 from the higher octave has precisely double the vibrational frequency of the 1 from the lower octave. So it is still has the properties of a “1 note”, but with double the energy.

The step from the 7 of the original scale to the 1 of the following scale above it is a natural, smooth progression. But a step from the 7 back down to the 1 that we started on is not. It is an unnatural jump.

So I tried to compare this with the progression of the souls through the densities and it raised a number of interesting questions.

What if the step after 7th density is not a step downward, back to 1st or any other lower density? What if the density that a soul reaches after 7th is 1st density, but of the following octave, like the musical scale? In fact, why would there be any backward steps at all when evolution is considered to be upward movement?

My understanding of things includes the ideas that there are no limits to consciousness and knowledge, and that the universe is infinite and constantly expanding. This implies that there is always something new to learn, experience or create. The possibilities are apparently infinite! How could there be an endpoint?

Does it make sense to do all this evolving to the point of reaching “union with the one” if all we do then is strip ourselves of the knowledge and vibrational frequency we acquired over millions of years, to go back and do it all over again?

It reminds me of the theory to which many humans subscribe that the reason we exist on this planet is to reproduce. Reproduction is what we do to continue our existence. So that would mean that the reason for our existence is simply to exist. That doesn't make a lot of sense. (I think that is about the way Laura put it in High Strangeness.) Using that logic, wouldn't a jump back to 1st density, after learning all the lessons of all the densities, mean that the reason for evolving is simply to evolve? Learning simply for the sake of learning?

Isn't it an important part of the Work to not only acquire knowledge but also to apply it in order to raise our level of being? Isn't that the whole point of our existence? After acquiring such an enormous amount of knowledge upon arrival at 7th, sharing all the experiences of the billions of soul units present in the unified thought form, shouldn't we then be in a position to apply it, and thus raise our level of being even higher?

As a hypothesis, I came up with a rough idea.

Everything I have read so far, about souls living in our six densities, seems to revolve around experiencing this creation from within, being a part of this creation, learning how this universe functions from the point of view of a soul that is allowing the creation to act upon that soul. Let's consider that upon arrival at 7th density the soul now has a full knowledge of the inner workings of the universe, coming from both his own experiences and the shared experiences of all the other souls present. We could say that soul has completed the Octave of Experience. So how could that soul then apply this knowledge?

Perhaps this soul then advances to 1st density of the following octave of seven densities wherein it has the opportunity to acquire the knowledge relating to the process of creating. Maybe the octave following that one, the soul has reached the level of creator and must complete seven densities by creating a new universe and attaining certain specific goals within it. And maybe this process of evolution never stops.

We keep saying that we are, in a sense, little replicas of the creator, don't we? Who's to say that the creator didn't start out at the same place we did, as an individual soul evolving through the densities (of another universe), and is still doing so? How many other soul units might have reached similar levels and are creating other universes “right next door”?

At any rate, I've got enough on my plate learning the lessons of the density I'm on without wasting too much time speculating about things like this. But I think there might be something to it.
 
mocachapeau said:
Since I have music on the brain literally all the time, I often find my thoughts turning to the subject of the octaves in the process of our soul evolution. Recently I was considering this step from 7th density back to 1st density (or however that may go) and comparing it to the step from the 7th degree to the 8th/1st degree in a major scale.

In the book,In Search Of The Miraculous, there's a chapter on octaves which you might find quite fascinating.

Chapter 9 begins by saying, "you must remember that the process of creation never stops...let us take the "ray of creation" in an abridged form: Absolute-sun-earth-moon, or in other words let us imagine the "ray of creation" in the form of three octaves of radiations..."

From there follows a discussion of the relationship of the atomic elements (i.e. our material world) in terms of octaves.
 
I think that you’re trying to apply 3D lessons & understandings to 7D which is useless. You should focus on 3D lessons before jumping ahead and letting your thoughts run away with you. It’s good to ponder about such things, but don’t let them hinder your learning of your own current lessons at THIS point.

Fwiw though… my understanding of everything is very close to what Perceval wrote.

However, when you state:

mocachapeau said:
Does it make sense to do all this evolving to the point of reaching “union with the one” if all we do then is strip ourselves of the knowledge and vibrational frequency we acquired over millions of years, to go back and do it all over again?

Well, for one thing I don’t think you have the right understanding of exactly what happens when we are unified as one in 7th D. I don’t know if I do, and I try not to think too much about it because it makes my mind numb but my understanding is that once we reach 7th, the souls who have reached 7th D have learned all the lessons that there need to be learned. And therefore, they will not be going back to doing it all over. Unless there is somehow another “fall” of some sort.

I also think, you’re thinking of “soul-smashing”. Because being “soul smashed” is when you go back to 1st D instead of going upwards.. have you read the “soul smashing” thread? Perhaps it will answer some questions for you.
 
mocachapeau said:
We keep saying that we are, in a sense, little replicas of the creator, don't we? Who's to say that the creator didn't start out at the same place we did, as an individual soul evolving through the densities (of another universe), and is still doing so?

Perceval said:
And then the whole process of making the journey back to 7th density starts again. So it's kind of like a cosmic breathing in and out with a brief pause in between (probably for a cup of tea and a rest)

Hmm, sounds familiar...

Breathe in! 2 3 4 5 6 Hold! 2 3 Breathe out 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Hold! 2 3 Breathe In 2 3 . . .
 
JGeropoulas said:
In the book,In Search Of The Miraculous, there's a chapter on octaves which you might find quite fascinating.

Chapter 9 begins by saying, "you must remember that the process of creation never stops...let us take the "ray of creation" in an abridged form: Absolute-sun-earth-moon, or in other words let us imagine the "ray of creation" in the form of three octaves of radiations..."

From there follows a discussion of the relationship of the atomic elements (i.e. our material world) in terms of octaves.

That's actually what got me thinking about it in the first place. That whole discussion was pretty hard for me to fully grasp, but it certainly got me thinking.

Deedlet said:
I think that you’re trying to apply 3D lessons & understandings to 7D which is useless. You should focus on 3D lessons before jumping ahead and letting your thoughts run away with you. It’s good to ponder about such things, but don’t let them hinder your learning of your own current lessons at THIS point.

I quite agree. That's pretty much what I meant by my last sentence:

mocachapeau said:
At any rate, I've got enough on my plate learning the lessons of the density I'm on without wasting too much time speculating about things like this. But I think there might be something to it.

But I think I may spend a little more time thinking about these things than I should. It's just that I find this kind of subject helps me to open my mind a bit. But your right, I have to be wary of it interfering with the efforts that are most important.

Deedlet said:
Well, for one thing I don’t think you have the right understanding of exactly what happens when we are unified as one in 7th D. I don’t know if I do, and I try not to think too much about it because it makes my mind numb but my understanding is that once we reach 7th, the souls who have reached 7th D have learned all the lessons that there need to be learned. And therefore, they will not be going back to doing it all over. Unless there is somehow another “fall” of some sort.

I was thinking along the same lines this afternoon. There's no way I can have any understanding of what 7D is like, or how "union with the one" works. I don't see moving backward along the path as being logical but, as you say, that's based on my 3D understanding of things. If we are all fragments of the conscience of the creator, "union with the one" may imply that we return to being a part of one single mind, possibly losing our feeling of individuality. After all, it's the creator's mind and he/she can treat it the way he/she sees fit.

But then I had to laugh when the thought came to me that all these billions of souls out here are like all of Gods individual I's. How much does he/she dread our return, eh? I've got enough problems with my individual I's without having hundreds of billions of them coming home for a visit!

JGeropoulas said:
mocachapeau said:
We keep saying that we are, in a sense, little replicas of the creator, don't we? Who's to say that the creator didn't start out at the same place we did, as an individual soul evolving through the densities (of another universe), and is still doing so?

Perceval said:
And then the whole process of making the journey back to 7th density starts again. So it's kind of like a cosmic breathing in and out with a brief pause in between (probably for a cup of tea and a rest)
Hmm, sounds familiar...

Breathe in! 2 3 4 5 6 Hold! 2 3 Breathe out 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Hold! 2 3 Breathe In 2 3 . . .

That thought struck me as well when Perceval mentioned the "outbreath". Imagine the entire universe, as one living breathing being that we live inside of. Kind of makes you wonder what we might have living inside of us. And when you add to that the idea of electrons spinning around nuclei, occupying orbits that have a similar arrangement to planets spinning around a sun? It makes me wonder what the universe looks like from the outside, and if it plays cricket.

I think it's time for bed.
 
I think that this is an interesting topic, mocachapeau, and while I agree that speculation past a certain point is probably not going to get us too far, perhaps there are a few very general assumptions that we can make. I don't think the organization of the densities would have been referred to as an octave if it wasn't hierarchical, so I agree that it makes no sense to revert to first density as we know it in this existence and do it all over again, learning the same lessons that we already learned. I speculate (because that's all I can do) that first density 'next' time around will probably trump sixth (or even seventh?) density 'this' time, and that the consciousness in that new realm will maintain all of the knowledge that it has acquired in this one. There will be a new octave to work through at that point, and who knows what it will be like (although I think your idea about becoming creators is interesting). A reciprocal question that is interesting to consider is what the 'last' octave was like before this one.

One thing I wonder about myself is whether our identities will 'survive' intact from this octave to the next -- when we finally hit 7D, and are in 'union with the one', does that mean that our individual consciousnesses merge completely at that point? It seems to be the tendency through the higher densities, becoming telepathically linked in 4D, a social/memory complex by 6D and so on. Of course in 3D, its a very terrifying thought to think about the loss of your individual identity, but by 6D, it may not be such a scary thought. But then again, this is speculation as well...
 
Shijing said:
A reciprocal question that is interesting to consider is what the 'last' octave was like before this one.

The thought did cross my mind. I know I only have my 3D ideas to work with, but I had a hard time coming up with anything that could be considered lower than a rock (no offense to any rocks out there). This led me to speculate that we are probably on 3D of the very first octave, which would put us pretty darn near the bottom.

And that would explain a lot of things, too. Like the stupid, arrogant belief that we are the only intelligent species in existence, the fact that we are such an easy target for manipulation, and the patience and understanding shown to us by groups like the C's. To them we're probably akin to a child trying to put the square block through the round hole...if that!

We've got a long way to go.
 
One problem with trying to think about this kind of question is that we are talking about things that, in theory, are eternal and have very little reference to what we think of as time. 7D or the Totality of All is Now AND the future. It is everything in union, and within it creation is "constantly" cycling. 50% is "descending" into matter, and 50% is "ascending" towards spirit. There is always balance. 7D is both our "source" and the "home" to which we strive to return. Everything in between is lessons.
 
Approaching Infinity said:
One problem with trying to think about this kind of question is that we are talking about things that, in theory, are eternal and have very little reference to what we think of as time. 7D or the Totality of All is Now AND the future. It is everything in union, and within it creation is "constantly" cycling. 50% is "descending" into matter, and 50% is "ascending" towards spirit. There is always balance. 7D is both our "source" and the "home" to which we strive to return. Everything in between is lessons.

Thanks AI, I think that's very well-put.
 
i guess after 7d, there are different realms. these are probably spiritual, because after 6d its no longer material.

Though it's highly beyond believability, a source says there are 2 millions of densities.

these are like being logos of sun , galaxy, universe ... and afterall returning to Source, being God itself.
 
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