a quiet creeping death is coming over europe

Willow

The Force is Strong With This One
hard , strange and very sad times in hole europe. thats the end of democrathy, freedom and our basic law. and the best is nobody is demanded in it. just the irish. they had a plebiscite. the people said no. and now they must do a new plebiscite. i dont want to live in an empirial europe with death panalty of law. this new law of death penalty says nothing concrete so they can expand this law how they like if they say you are terrorist they have the right to kill you. or you are on a demonstration peacefuel for freedom and human rights for example tthen you have some people from the black block that throw stones or something like that and they have a reason to open the fire. or cops provocate the people it happens really often , a fight came and fire!!!!
under the aspect of some nwo things it makes sense for such a law. councellor merkel said no for a plebiscite. just the irish are there..........
and just a few people in germany know of that some people sued the brd but that brings nothing.
i guess when that "contract" craft it will bring a very bad civil war! or the people are so lithargic that they are not demand i it like now!
a quiet creeping death is coming over europe!
 
Hi Willow, what death penalty law in europe are you talking about? Got a link?
 
http://www.eu-vertrag-stoppen.de/rechtsstaat/recht.html
http://http://kriegspostille.blogspot.com/2009/08/eu-vertrag-mit-todesstrafe.htmlwww.bueso.de/artikel/eu-vertrag-soll-demokratie-abschaffen-volksentscheid-uber-lissaboner-vertrag there are a lo of them or you put "eu vertrag todesstrafe" in google.really really sad for me
 
Unfortunately the links are only in German.

Could you Willow maybe describe what these articles are saying (the main important points, why it is possible, in the articles point of view, to reintroduce the death penalty and abolish democracy in Europe), so that others could also get an understanding?

I could only fly over the articles and their has been a taste of election-programs for the election in Germany this year.

But to think about psychopaths and to introduce something through the backdoor seems not impossible imo.
 
i will try to translate it, yesterday it was too late for me and its very difficult but i do my best!
 
Todesstrafe

Wird die Todesstrafe wieder eingeführt? Ein viel diskutiertes Thema. Wir möchten dieser Frage hier auf den Grund gehen.
Worum geht es?

Mit dem Vertrag von Lissabon wird wird die Charta der Grundrechte rechtsverbindlich. *

Im Artikel 2 dieser Grundrechtecharta steht unter (2):
Niemand darf zur Todesstrafe verurteilt oder hingerichtet werden.

Das Problem liegt im "Kleingedruckten", in den sogenannten Erläuterungen zur Grundrechtecharta.* Da steht:

"Eine Tötung wird nicht als Verletzung des Artikels betrachtet,"
wenn es erforderlich ist,
"einen Aufruhr oder Aufstand rechtmäßig niederzuschlagen".

Die zweite Ausnahme, wann die Todesstrafe verhängt werden darf:

"Für Taten in Kriegszeiten
oder bei unmittelbarer Kriegsgefahr."

The gist of this gives:

The deathpenalty, will it be reintroduced? This question seems to be linked with the fact that when the treaty of Lisbon (which the Irish people still have to vote in favor or against) is approved that then a package of basic rights will be applied as laws in the whole of the EU. In article 2 of this package of basic rights it is stated that nobody can be judged and condamned to capital punishment. The devil is as always in the details though. In the small print accompanying these basic rights there seems a few exceptions where capital punishment could be applied

1 when it is judged appropriate to suppress social uproar or revolution.

2 for acts during times of war or during threat of imminent war.

So in this sense Willow is right when (s)he writes:

this new law of death penalty says nothing concrete so they can expand this law how they like if they say you are terrorist they have the right to kill you. or you are on a demonstration peacefuel for freedom and human rights for example

I just wonder that maybe in many EU countries these kind of exceptions already exist and this is nothing new or out of the extraordinary. (which does not justify it) I think also a difference needs to be made between getting shot during a demonstration (of which there are examples in contemporary European history) and being condamned to death afterwards for having demonstrated.
 
in the article 2 of the basiclaw charta stands: nobody can to condemed to death and can be executed.
the problem is the fine print, in the so called elucidations
of the basiclaw charta stands: an execution will not be seen as an injury when its necessary.
" a turmoil or a riot to quell legitimate"
the second exception when execution can be imposed: for deeds in wartimes or by immediate chances of war.
( directly translated word by word from here: http://www.eu-vertrag-stoppen.de/rechtsstaat/recht.html)

the interview with professor schachtscneider from here: http://kriegspostille.blogspot.com/2009/08/eu-vertrag-mit-todesstrafe.html

focus-money: mr prof schacht. loud your complaint against the eu contract of lissabon ahead of the Federal Constitutional Court makes a relaunch of death penalty and the execution of people possible. that sounds very outrageous. on what grounds your arguments?
prof schacht: the basiclaw charta enables in the particularly incorporated descriptions and there negativedefinition to the basiclaw, against the human dignity pricips gaven abolition of the death penalty in germany, austria and otherwhere. the relauch of the death penalty in an event of war or immediate pending loss chance of war, but also the execution of men to quell a riot or a turmoil.
focus-money: but is the death penalty not frobidden explizit in the charta?
prof schacht: applicable therfore is not the paragraph 2 sub 2 of the charta, that the conviction of death penalty and execution forbids but rather the in the major agreement incorporated description to the paragraph that grounded in the convention of human rights of 1950. to paragraph 6 sub 1 UAbs. 3 EUV as amended by the lissaboner will be rights, liberties and policies of the charta thus far the sources of that this provisions are stated, construed.
focus-money: why so inconvenient?
prof schacht: even to disguise this fact.
focus-money: is it clearly to execute men when the contract become to effective?
prof schacht: yes, the basiclawcard was declared 2001 in nizza. but not all countrys had been agreeded was she not mandatory according to international law . if the contract as amended by also the basiclawcharta will be mandatory.
focus-money: but that correlate passage is just standing in the elucidations....
prof schacht: they are to paragraph 52 sub 3 and 7 of the basiclaw charta mandatory. you can read this description of this elucidations in the gazette of the EU. theres no place for interpretation playground. besides why should they piu it in if you dont want to have it?
focus-money: didnt the Federal Constitutional Court gave you a refusal of your definition?
prof schacht: in no sense. it didnt uttered to the question.
focus-money: is that common?
prof schacht: thats the rule. if the Federal Constitutional Court dont want to take something on board it just say nothing to that.
focus-money: is that juridical possible?
prof schacht: juridical its more than apprehensive but practise.
the rest will follow i must go to work now!
 
In the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union Article 2 is the

"Right to life"

where it says:

1. Everyone has the right to life.
2. No one shall be condemned to the death penalty, or executed."

there are no footnotes or exceptions to these.

The thing is the aboltion of the death penalty is pretty fundamental to the EU. The issue seems to stem from the notes on riots and general police enforcement where someone could be killed as part of law enforcement, which happens now and again). It seems that the provision that killing someone in such circumstances is not "execution" is inserted in the Lisbon treaty is to ensure that family or friends of a person killed in such circumstances cannot take cases against the EU or the law enforcement bodies concerned and claim that they violated the EU charter on HR.

So as I read it this is not an overturning of the general abolition of the death penalty. It is just upholding the interpretation of what is and is not "the death penalty" that has been in the EU charter of fundamental human rights from the beginning

Here are the comments of a "Euroskeptic" English blogger

A number of bloggers have picked up on a story that the EU, through the Lisbon treaty may re-introduce the death penalty it has been so vocal against. (hat-tip to Wonko).

Now it is a requirement of EU membership that the death penalty is abolished, and the EU even dedicates the 10th of October as Anti-Death Penalty Day. So I was quite surprised to read here and here that the new Lisbon treaty introduces the death penalty in times of “rioting, civil upheaval and during war”.

The truth of the matter seems to be that the Lisbon treaty gives full legal powers to the European Charter of Fundamental Rights. And contained within this document are the relevent passages:

Article 2 states:

1. Everyone has the right to life.

2. No one shall be condemned to the death penalty, or executed.

The paragraphs of interest are the footnotes to this seemingly clear statement:

(a) Article 2(2) of the ECHR:
‘Deprivation of life shall not be regarded as inflicted in contravention of this Article
when it results from the use of force which is no more than absolutely necessary:
(a) in defence of any person from unlawful violence;
(b) in order to effect a lawful arrest or to prevent the escape of a person lawfully
detained;
(c) in action lawfully taken for the purpose of quelling a riot or insurrection.’

(b) Article 2 of Protocol No 6 to the ECHR:
‘A State may make provision in its law for the death penalty in respect of acts
committed in time of war or of imminent threat of war; such penalty shall be applied
only in the instances laid down in the law and in accordance with its provisions…’

So esentially the first part allows police to use weapons in riots, prisoner escapes and to defend the public, and if someone dies it won’t count as an execution. And the second part means the death penalty isn’t outlawed at all, but is allowed in “time of war” or “imminent threat of war”. So presumably, with us in Iraq it would be legal.

Something to think about next 10th October as the EUphiles claim the EU stops the death penalty completely.

and this:

Following on from my earlier post on the EU’s approach to the death penalty, I have done some more snooping.

It seems Protocol 13 to the ECHR (European Convention on Human Rights) is the one banning the death penalty even in war, superceding Protocol 6, which seemed to explicitly allow it. It would appear that the exceptions for riots etc remain. These essentially mean that reasonable force in crime prevention or public order enforcement, even if leading to death, do not come under the definition of the death penalty or execution.

I don’t believe the EU is trying to re-introduce the death penalty, but I do believe they have a strangely complicated system. There is a European Convention on Human Rights, a European Charter of Fundamental Rights, not to mention the Lisbon treaty. They contain articles and protocols (which are footnotes essentially but with legal meaning). It seems older protocols may be superceded, but not removed from documents.

Now the old EU constitution was good in being more accessible, but unfortunately for EUphiles that meant it was rejected. Now they deliberately use legalese and complicated levels of referral to other documents to hide the truth. If I have understood correctly, they may have ended up looking worse by leading us all to believe they support the death penalty secretly. But maybe they still do?

I have written to a number of my MEPs for confirmation of the issues. Safe to say there will be more here when I know more.

here's a little more detail for those interested:
The erroneous and counter-productive claim that under the Lisbon Treaty the EU could use the death penalty as a legal means of repression continues to surface, most recently in comments on Daniel Hannan’s blog:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/politics/danielhannan/april08/yetmoresleaze.htm

Firstly, it is necessary to distinguish between judicial killings, and extra-judicial killings.

A judicial killing requires that a person has been tried by a court and found guilty, and a legally prescribed death sentence is then carried out.

Article 2 of the 1950 European Convention (for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms) did not prohibit such judicial killings, as many of the signatory countries wished to retain the death penalty for murder and some other crimes. In any case, over the previous decades the main problem had not been judicial, but extra-judicial, killings, in huge numbers.

So Article 2 was directed only against extra-judicial killings:

http://www.echr.coe.int/NR/rdonlyres/D5CC24A7-DC13-4318-B457-5C9014916D7A/0/EnglishAnglais.pdf

“1 Everyone’s right to life shall be protected by law. No one shall be deprived of his life intentionally save in the execution of a sentence of a court following his conviction of a crime for which this penalty is provided by law.”

with some necessary exemptions.

Prohibition of judicial killings came later, with Protocols 6 and 13, and by incorporating the latter Protocol, far from allowing the EU to “restore the death penalty” the Lisbon Treaty would entrench an absolute protection against judicial killing.

Extra-judicial killings span a spectrum extending from completely intentional killings, including those carried out during war and when there is a state of martial law, to genuinely accidental killings.

This is where we have more cause to fear for our lives, with the possibility that the European Gendarmerie Force:

http://www.eurogendfor.org/

could be let loose on our streets, and potentially later foreign troops in an EU “peace-keeping” or “stabilisation” force being sent in “to restore order” and “secure the rights and freedoms of Union citizens within the United Kingdom”.

About this misunderstanding, in more detail:

The consolidated texts of the EU treaties as amended by Lisbon, available here:

http://www.official-documents.gov.uk/document/cm73/7310/7310.asp

have Article 6 of the amended TEU, on page 7, which starts:

“1. The Union recognises the rights, freedoms and principles set out in the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union of 7 December 2000, as adapted at Strasbourg, on 12 December 2007, which shall have the same legal value as the Treaties.”

That December 2007 adaptation of the EU’s Charter, and the Explanations, are here:

http://eur-lex.europa.eu:80/JOHtml.do?uri=OJ%3AC%3A2007%3A303%3ASOM%3AEN%3AHTML

As in 2000, Article 2 of the EU’s Charter states:

“Right to life
1. Everyone has the right to life.
2. No one shall be condemned to the death penalty, or executed.”

The Explanation of this Article is also unchanged from 2000, even though Protocol 13 to the European Convention, abolishing the death penalty in all circumstances:

http://conventions.coe.int:80/Treaty/en/Treaties/Html/187.htm

came into force on 1 July 2003. Presumably this was because while all EU member states have signed Protocol 13, four of them – Italy, Latvia, Poland and Spain – have not yet finally ratified it. No doubt they will do so in due course: France was the latest to complete ratification, in October 2007.

Hence the last section, 3(b), of the Explanation no longer has any practical relevance.

The other words in this Explanation which have led to misunderstanding are actually quoted driectly from Article 2(2) of the 1950 European Convention. The UK has been a party to that Convention since its inception, so we have been living with that Article for over half a century. This is not something new which the EU is introducing with the Lisbon Treaty.

Note also how the Explanation refers to the necessary exemptions in Article 2(2) as ‘negative’ definitions.

“Explanation on Article 2 — Right to life
1. Paragraph 1 of this Article is based on the first sentence of Article 2(1) of the ECHR, which reads as follows:

‘1. Everyone’s right to life shall be protected by law …’.

2. The second sentence of the provision, which referred to the death penalty, was superseded by the entry into force of Article 1 of Protocol No 6 to the ECHR, which reads as follows:

‘The death penalty shall be abolished. No-one shall be condemned to such penalty or executed.’

Article 2(2) of the Charter is based on that provision.

3. The provisions of Article 2 of the Charter correspond to those of the above Articles of the ECHR and its Protocol. They have the same meaning and the same scope, in accordance with Article 52(3) of the Charter. Therefore, the ‘negative’ definitions appearing in the ECHR must be regarded as also forming part of the Charter:

(a) Article 2(2) of the ECHR:

‘Deprivation of life shall not be regarded as inflicted in contravention of this article when it results from the use of force which is no more than absolutely necessary:

(a) in defence of any person from unlawful violence;

(b) in order to effect a lawful arrest or to prevent the escape of a person lawfully detained;

(c) in action lawfully taken for the purpose of quelling a riot or insurrection.’

(b) Article 2 of Protocol No 6 to the ECHR:

‘A State may make provision in its law for the death penalty in respect of acts committed in time of war or of imminent threat of war; such penalty shall be applied only in the instances laid down in the law and in accordance with its provisions…’.”
 
The EU doesn't seem to be more secure than the US after all.
The one world government that the C's said has been in place for a long time. We can actually see how they'll make it clearer and clearer as they go on with their new laws and lack of freedom.

I'm concerned about Laura and Ark. Since they moved to France because it seemed like a better and more secure place than the US, which it still is. But this wall of difference is slowly collapsing everywhere in the EU including France.
 
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