about a lost submarine and two dead prosecutors

[idiaysan]

Hello!

there are a couple of questions that I would like to know if it is possible to ask in a session in the future.

1) The submarine that disappeared in Argentina:

https://www.sott.net/article/368200-US-Navy-and-NASA-join-the-hunt-for-missing-Argentine-submarine-which-vanished-250-miles-off-the-coast-of-Patagonia-almost-3-days-ago-UPDATES

They have already given up the crew of the submarine. I would like to know what happened with that. I think it may have been sunk by the English (who are nearby, occupying Malvinas) or perhaps by another force. Putin has been talking to Macri (Argentine president), Perhaps he informed him what really happened? Recall that Russia experienced a similar episode in 2000 with the submarine Kursk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_submarine_Kursk_(K-141)

2) This question is about Spain and two prosecutors who have recently died:

According to media reports, the Superior Prosecutor of Catalonia, José María Romero de Tejada, has died at age 69, just 9 days after the strange and sudden death of prosecutor José Manuel Maza in Argentina, for which, inexplicably, the Spanish government did not demand an autopsy.
Both prosecutors had been promoters of the application of article 155 of the Spanish Constitution and the substitution of Catalan institutions before the intention of the Catalan government to separate from Spain.

https://sputniknews.com/latam/201711191059229394-spanish-attorney-general-dies/

https://frontnews.eu/news/en/18323/General-Prosecutor-died-in-Catalonia
https://news.populiarno.com/2017/09/26/catalonia-independence-spain-orders-catalan-police-to-shut-down-polling-stations/

This note is an example of the network unleashing conspiracy theories about the cohabitation of the two deaths (it is in Spanish): https://elrobotpescador.com/2017/11/27/muere-inesperadamente-el-fiscal-superior-de-cataluna-9-dias-despues-que-maza-se-oculta-algo-tras-esta-sucesion-de-muertes/

I translate the introduction of the article into English:

"It seems that the succession of sudden and unexpected (and highly suspicious) deaths of senior officials in Spain has turned into a macabre lottery.

According to media reports, the Superior Prosecutor of Catalonia, José María Romero de Tejada, has died at age 69, just 9 days after the strange and sudden death of prosecutor José Manuel Maza in Argentina, for which, inexplicably, the Spanish government did not demand an autopsy.

THE MYSTERIOUS DEATH OF THE MAZA PROSECUTOR ... WHY THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT WANT TO DO THE AUTOPSY?

Apparently, José María Romero de Tejada suffered from leukemia and this last week his health had worsened due to a pneumonia even though it had not transpired that he had any serious illness.

Let's take into account that as the media tell us, in this case El País: "Romero de Tejada went to Maza's funeral on Thursday. Later, he was having dinner with a prosecutor and a lawyer from Catalonia. They walked through the Castellana. The next day, Friday, he began to feel ill and was admitted to the Pilar clinic, where he could not overcome a new episode of pneumonia. "

The point is that he has died precisely now, at a time that seems to be crucial and sensitive in the conflict between Catalonia and Spain.

Think what they want about it.

Romero de Tejada was also a hardline, right-wing conservative prosecutor, and he had also had a clear implication in the repressive maneuvers against the Catalan independence movement.

Recall that Romero de Tejada occupied the post after his predecessor, Martín Rodríguez Sol, had been forced to resign in 2013, after having spoken out in public in favor of the Catalans being able to express themselves about their future, referring to the referendum that Artur Mas was preparing for 9-N of 2014.

That is to say, they named Romero de Tejada as the number 2 in the Catalan prosecutor's office and because it was guaranteed that it would be tough on the Catalan independence movement.

Romero de Tejada filed the lawsuit that led to the trial of two former councilors of the Generalitat, Ortega and Rigau and against the then Catalan president, Artur Mas, by the popular consultation of 9-N in which the Catalans were asked about the independence.

On September 25, Romero de Tejada ordered the Mayor of the Mossos, Josep LLuis Trapero, that the Mossos would appear in the educational or administrative centers that would perform the functions of the electoral college in the consultation of October 1, suspended by the Constitutional, for also identify those responsible and take them as witnesses.

Trapero complied with the order to send agents, but the Mossos decided not to seal the polling stations for the 1-O, stating that the attempt could put public order at risk, with hundreds of people "protecting" each of the schools .

The Government of the Generalitat announced two days before the referendum on October 1, which would be filed against the state's attorney general and the superior prosecutor of Catalonia for crimes of prevarication and usurpation of functions, said the Minister of Justice, Carles Mundó, He is now imprisoned in Estremera, while both jurists have died.

Because the fact is that Romero de Tejada has died suddenly 9 days after Maza, a death surrounded by strange elements.
And remember, that the deceased prosecutor, was brother of the secretary general of the PP of Madrid between 1996 and 2004, Ricardo Romero de Tejada, involved in multiple cases of corruption (as befits a good member of the PP) and one of those involved in the case of the "black cards" of Caja Madrid, for which he was charged. Pure Regime.

The point is that this death could be part of a very specific context ... "

These are the questions and I think it is important to know who is behind these crimes (if they are).
Greetings and hugs to all!

 

[Alejo]

These are interesting,

I've been following the submarine situation and for some reason it made me think of the MH370 disappearance, I wonder if there's a high strangeness factor to be considered here. Of course, it could also be sabotage or just poor equipment and poorly trained personnel.

 

[BrendaH]

These are interesting,

I've been following the submarine situation and for some reason it made me think of the MH370 disappearance, I wonder if there's a high strangeness factor to be considered here. Of course, it could also be sabotage or just poor equipment and poorly trained personnel.

After all the help provided by 19 countries it's very strange that the submarine wasn't found yet. People here in Argentina started to suspect if this "event consistent with an explosion" that was detected by two countries and apparently came from the submarine, was produce by an external attack to it.

I give a lot of probabilities to the idea of having poor equipment or that the submarine wasn't in conditions to navigate, I don't know if any of you heard when Itatí Leguizamon, the wife of one of the crew, said:

"In 2014 they inaugurated a submarine painted on the outside with an Argentine flag, but it was empty inside".

Of course the Argentine navy says that the submarine was in perfect conditions to navigate. I hope they haven't had the same fate as the flight 19.

 

[angelburst29]

I don't know, why they didn't publish this information sooner? But apparently, this was the last message sent from the submarine ...

Argentinian television has reportedly obtained a copy of the final communication sent by missing Argentine submarine San Juan, revealing what may have caused the vessel to disappear two weeks ago.

What the Last Message From Missing Argentine Sub Revealed 28.11.2017
https://sputniknews.com/latam/201711281059514870-missing-sub-last-message-found/

Argentina's A24 cable news channel read out what it said was the final message received from the fated vessel, revealing that it may have lost due to a sea water leak resulting in a fire in the sub's batteries.

"Entry of sea water through the ventilation system into battery tank No.3 caused a short circuit and the beginnings of a fire in the battery room. Bow batteries out of service. At the moment in immersion propelling with split circuit. No updates on personnel, will keep informed," the message read, as reported by The Telegraph.

According to A24, the San Juan's final communication was sent at 8:52 am on November 15, contradicting earlier Argentine Navy statements that the vessel was last heard from at 7:30 am. The Navy has yet to comment on the message.

The news channel did not reveal how it obtained the communication, which was presumably sent by the submarine's captain shortly after the emergency situation onboard the vessel began.

On Monday, Argentine Navy spokesman Captain Enrique Balbi told reporters that the San Juan reported water entering through its snorkel, which resulted in a fire that was successfully isolated.

The San Juan was reported missing on Wednesday November 15 while on route from Ushuaia to Mar del Plata, Argentina. The Navy initiated a search, which has since been joined by fifteen countries, including Russia.

Amid fading hopes over the fates of the submarine's 44-person crew, Navy spokesman Balbi said Monday that it cannot be ruled out that its crew is still alive, and "in a situation of extreme survival."

Nov. 23 (UPI) -- An Argentine submarine that recently went missing may have experienced a severe explosion, raising concerns all 44 crewmembers may have died.

Explosion reported after Argentina submarine went missing
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2017/11/23/Explosion-reported-after-Argentina-submarine-went-missing/8091511459420/

The San Juan disappeared on Nov. 15, and the Argentine Navy described the explosion that followed as "anomalous, short, violent," the New York Times reported on Thursday. An international search team is looking for the vessel.

Sound described as ‘abnormal’ was heard on day that contact was lost, navy spokesman confirms.

Argentina: grief and anger after 'explosion' near missing submarine Thursday 23 November 2017
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/23/explosion-detected-near-site-of-missing-argentinian-submarine-navy-confirms

The families of the crew of a missing Argentinian navy submarine have reacted with grief and then anger to the possibility that an explosion hit the submarine around the time it sent its last signal on 15 November.

An abnormal sound detected in the South Atlantic ocean was “consistent with an explosion”, the navy spokesman Enrique Balbi said. The navy did not have enough information to say what the cause of the explosion could have been or whether the vessel – the ARA San Juan – might have been attacked, he said.

Relatives of the submarine’s 44 crew members, camped out at a naval base in the coastal city of Mar del Plata, had been largely optimistic before Thursday’s announcement, which prompted cries of anguish and calls for authorities to be held to account.

 

[angelburst29]

If it's true that the Argentine Navy received 8 (eight) calls that the submarine was experiencing serious problems, why didn't they send out evacuation helicopters to rescue the 44 crew on board and have the sub towed to shore or something on that order? Plus, I would think, the Navy had approximate location of where the sub was, when communication was lost, to do their search in? Something doesn't add up?

Earlier it was reported that the explosion in the region where the submarine vanished was more powerful than 100 kilograms of TNT. After that, the Argentine authorities officially recognized the death of the ship's crew.

Argentine Sub Reportedly Contacted Mainland 8 Times on Day of Disappearance
https://sputniknews.com/latam/201712061059741377-argentine-submarine-disappearance/

The crew of Argentina's missing submarine San Juan communicated with a base in Mar del Plata eight times on November 15, the day it went missing, media reported.

The Tesacom satellite services company released data on the San Juan's communications with the first four calls registered between 1:11 a.m. and 1:50 a.m. (04:11-04:50 GMT) and the second wave of calls registered at 6:10 a.m. (09:10 GMT), according to the broadcaster Todo Noticias.

The submarine's last contact was registered at 7:36 a.m. (10:36 GMT) with the longest conversation lasting 13 minutes.

Argentine Navy spokesman Enrique Balbi has confirmed that the list of calls was received.

"The first calls the captain made to report a malfunction, a short circuit and the beginning of a fire with smoke and without a flame…. The second call contained a request to change the route to reduce the number of days spent on the high seas," Balbi said.

​The ARA San Juan, a submarine with 44 crew members on board stopped communicating during a routine patrol in the South Atlantic off the coast of Argentina on November 15. According to some media reports, an explosion could have taken place on board the submarine.

​On November 30, the Navy announced that it had halted its weeks-long operation to rescue the crew of the missing submarine; however, the search for the sub will continue.

 

[angelburst29]

Russian research ship The Yantar and Russian naval specialists on board the Argentinian naval ship Islas Malvinas are exploring two objects in the area where the submarine The San Juan went missing in the middle of last month, the Navy’s spokesman Enrique Balbi said on Friday.

Russian specialists study two objects in area of search for lost Argentine sub December 08, 2017
http://tass.com/world/979986

"The Yantar is currently examining an object lying at a depth of 940 meters," he said. The search began on Thursday in bad weather.

Balbi said Islas Malvinas is now in a different area, where Russian specialists are trying to get an image of an object lying at a depth of 830 meters using a remote-controlled mini-submarine The Pantera Plus. The US ship The Atlantis, due to join the search today, will head for another object spotted at 770 meters below the surface ," he added.

On instructions from Russian President Vladimir Putin Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu on November 23 dispatched search and rescue specialists, the Pantera Plus mini-submarine and the ship The Yantar to help with the search for the submarine. The Pantera Plus performed the first dive on December 3.

The diesel-electric submarine The San Juan, which left Ushuaia with 44 crew on board, went missing on November 15. The search for the submarine began on November 16. On November 30, the Argentine Navy declare it had curtailed the rescue operation.

 

[angelburst29]

Argentina has dismissed the head of its navy as part of the investigation into the disappearance of a submarine with 44 crew members aboard last month.

Argentina dismisses navy chief amid submarine investigation Sunday 17 December 2017
http://www.arabnews.com/node/1210391/world

State news agency Telam said Saturday that Defense Minister Oscar Aguad had requested Admiral Marcelo Srur step down while authorities look into what happened to the ARA San Juan, which disappeared November 15.

An internal navy investigation led to the suspension of two commanders this week.

Authorities say an explosion occurred near the time and place where the sub disappeared in the South Atlantic. The navy is no longer looking for survivors although a multinational operation continues to search for the vessel.

It was sailing from the southernmost port of Ushuaia to the coastal city of Mar del Plata when it went missing.

 

[Altair]

The question about missing Argentine submarine was responded in the last session:

Q: (L) So in other words, if it happens during a storm to somebody, it's because they're extremely susceptible, but similar energies are involved. Next question: What happened to the missing Argentine navy submarine?

A: Underwater anomalous event related to Earth changes.

Q: (L) Like what?

(Andromeda) Like a volcano, or...?

(L) You mean something like an underwater eruption or an outgassing?

A: Yes. Gas.

Q: (Joe) Pretty powerful, huh?

A: Sucked into cooling system.

Q: (Pierre) Oooh! So there was no more cooling. The cooling needs sea water.

(L) And then the heat could have caused an explosion.

A: Yes

Q: (Chu) They said they detected an explosion, but they couldn't explain it.

 

[sToRmR1dR]

Argentine military sub San Juan missing for 1 year found deep in Atlantic, military confirms


ARA San Juan, photo taken in 2014 © AFP / Alejandro Moritz

The submarine ARA San Juan that vanished in the Atlantic over a year ago with 44 sailors on board has finally been detected at a depth of 800 meters, the Argentine military has confirmed.

The ARA San Juan was discovered by Ocean Infinity, an American company contracted by the Argentine military to lead the search effort. The company’s vessel, Seabed Constructor, “has positively identified” the missing submarine lying at a chilling depth of 800 meters, the Argentine Navy confirmed in a tweet on Saturday morning.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1063644138984390656

Previously, the navy said the Seabed Constructor detected what it said was “a point of interest.” The object was approximately 60 meters long and its shape resembled a submarine hull.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1063259859511115776

Relatives of missing sailors were notified before the news was broken by Argentine media. It also comes just days after families of the submariners gathered at Mar del Plata naval base to commemorate and mourn their loved ones.

Now, with the submarine lying so deep on the seabed, it may be nearly impossible to know what happened to it. The navy will seek to determine if the San Juan can be raised from its current spot.

One year ago, the ARA San Juan, laid down in 1983 in German shipyards, went missing in the Atlantic with 44 crew on board. The sub was on a routine mission, and its sudden disappearance gave birth to numerous theories and rumors.

Local media reported that before communication with the submarine was lost, its captain reported a short circuit caused by the entry of sea water into the battery compartment.

A fire breaking out inside could have triggered a blast on board, the navy said at the time, adding that its listening posts detected “abnormal, singular, short, violent” sounds “consistent with an explosion.”

The search for the diesel-electric submarine started immediately, involving ships and aircraft manned by personnel from 13 countries. On November 30, after a 15-day operation, the navy decided to end the operation. The rescuers allowed for twice the possible time that the crew could have remained alive.

In the months that followed, reports on the fate of the submariners continued to swirl in local media, including that the San Juan was being shadowed by the British and Chilean military around the time of its disappearance.

Jesica Medina, a local woman, reported her brother telling her that the submarine was sailing close to the Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas) when a Royal Navy helicopter started chasing them down, along with a Chilean ship.

“On Monday, an English helicopter was looking for us, and yesterday the Chileans, there has been a lot going on,” second sub-officer Roberto Medina told his sister in the message, according to Argentina’s La Gaceta newspaper. There was no official confirmation.

But the newspaper report revived memories of the brief 1982 UK-Argentina war over the disputed islands, in which 655 Argentine and 255 British servicemen lost their lives. Argentina still claims the islands as its own. The issue has emerged in recent years again as Britain has begun to explore possible offshore oilfields in the area.

 

[Bluegazer]

I know that maybe it is not the place, or the subforum - maybe - to talk about the following. As you know in a short time, the G20 will be held in Argentina. All this -in addition to the circumstances of the country- brings a political storm. But it's not what I want to talk about ... except for this:

Cuerpo hallado en hotel es el del periodista Martín Licata

Encontraron muerto al periodista Martín Licata

It goes beyond the horrible.

And everything points to information that was recently uncovered:

Lista de Aliados Fiables de Open Society Foundations en Argentina | Argentina | Politics

 

[Bluegazer]

I know that maybe it is not the place, or the subforum - maybe - to talk about the following. As you know in a short time, the G20 will be held in Argentina. All this -in addition to the circumstances of the country- brings a political storm. But it's not what I want to talk about ... except for this:

Cuerpo hallado en hotel es el del periodista Martín Licata

Encontraron muerto al periodista Martín Licata

It goes beyond the horrible.

And everything points to information that was recently uncovered:

Lista de Aliados Fiables de Open Society Foundations en Argentina | Argentina | Politics

Soros hacked, thousands of Open Society Foundations files released online