Afghan War Diary

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I haven't seen this discussed on here yet so here it is:

Two days ago wikileaks released some 90,000 documents, mostly soldiers' first hand accounts of the war in Afghanistan.

http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Afghan_War_Diary,_2004-2010


http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/wikileaks_afghan_war_diary_20100727/

article above said:
After the documents were released, WikiLeaks founder and editor-in-chief Julian Assange told me: “Most civilian casualties occur in instances where one, two, 10 or 20 people are killed—they really numerically dominate the list of events. ... The way to really understand this war is by seeing that there is one killed after another, every day, going on and on.”

...

Assange says that there are 2,000 civilian deaths detailed in the reports. Other entries describe “Task Force 373,” a U.S. Army assassination unit that allegedly captures or kills people believed to be members of the Taliban or al-Qaida.

http://www.examiner.com/x-21239-Oakland-Skepticism-Examiner~y2010m7d25-Afghan-War-Diary-WikiLeaks-releases-91731-classified-US-military-reports-from-Afghanistan

article above said:
In an move reminiscent of the Pentagon Papers, an event that will no doubt continue to draw comparisons, the New York Times, Britain's The Guardian and Germany's Der Speigal were given full access to the now leaked documents under the condition they not report on the story till Sunday's release.

According to the New York Times the "documents do not contradict official accounts of the war." However "in some cases the documents show that the American military made misleading public statements" including downplaying the number of civilian casualties, or over-selling the success of our drone aircraft which often crash or collide.

Has anybody heard about this or read into it more? I'm wondering if this will actually have an impact on public sentiment towards the war. From the looks of it the New York Times has already downplayed it as somewhat insignificant.
 
I took the raw data and calculated some totals as far as Wounded In Action and Killed In Action goes.

My version of OpenOffice could only process around 65000 of the reports but this is the data I came up with:

Friendly WIA Friendly KIA HostNation WIA HostNation KIA Civilian WIA Civilian KIA Enemy WIA Enemy KIA Enemy Detained
6223 962 7739 3483 8021 3521 1552 13622 6560





I hope the formatting/spacing stays the same on everyone's monitor. Its curious that the Wikileaks founder says there were around 2000 civilian deaths reported, when with only 70% of the reports I counted 3521. I think there may be multiple reports of the same incidents on occasion but I'm not sure.





Edit: I don't think that formatting will work for everyone so here: FriendlyWIA-6223 FriendlyKIA-962 HostNationWIA-7739 HostNationKIA-3483 CivilianWIA-8021 CivilianKIA-3521 EnemyWIA-1552 EnemyKIA-13622 EnemyDetained-6560
 
How are the civilian deaths calculated, does this include car bombs in market places etc or is this a stat of people caught in crossfire.
The hideus reality of the mass psychosis called 'war' , innocent men , women, children, brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers

We are anaethetised to words
3000 civilitions
3000 just a number
civilions - humans not engaged in military activity.
instead read 3000 sons, daughters, mothers, fathers aunts and uncles, grandmothers and grandfathers, cousins and friends

absolutely horrific. Lunatic planet.
 
Stevie Argyll said:
How are the civilian deaths calculated, does this include car bombs in market places etc or is this a stat of people caught in crossfire.
The hideus reality of the mass psychosis called 'war' , innocent men , women, children, brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers

We are anaethetised to words
3000 civilitions
3000 just a number
civilions - humans not engaged in military activity.
instead read 3000 sons, daughters, mothers, fathers aunts and uncles, grandmothers and grandfathers, cousins and friends

absolutely horrific. Lunatic planet.

You need not read only the civilians as such, they are all humans.


I found a way to add the other entries, here are the totals for all 76,912 reports released:

FriendlyWIA-7296

FriendlyKIA-1146

HostNationWIA-8503

HostNationKIA-3796

CivilianWIA-9044

CivilianKIA-3994

EnemyWIA-1824

EnemyKIA-15219

EnemyDetained-7316
 
Just noticed the mistake in the Article heading. It should say Afghan War Diary, not Afghan Wary Diary. If a mod could fix that it may help when people use the search function. Thanks.
 
Ask_a_debtor said:
Stevie Argyll said:
How are the civilian deaths calculated, does this include car bombs in market places etc or is this a stat of people caught in crossfire.
The hideus reality of the mass psychosis called 'war' , innocent men , women, children, brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers

We are anaethetised to words
3000 civilitions
3000 just a number
civilions - humans not engaged in military activity.
instead read 3000 sons, daughters, mothers, fathers aunts and uncles, grandmothers and grandfathers, cousins and friends

absolutely horrific. Lunatic planet.

You need not read only the civilians as such, they are all humans.


I found a way to add the other entries, here are the totals for all 76,912 reports released:

FriendlyWIA-7296

FriendlyKIA-1146

HostNationWIA-8503

HostNationKIA-3796

CivilianWIA-9044

CivilianKIA-3994

EnemyWIA-1824

EnemyKIA-15219

EnemyDetained-7316


Yes, I am aware that they are all human and was going to post about how many of the USA or allied forces are kids totally unprepared , just out of college who haven't a clue about the reality. Others take the army as a job, of from a sense of Patriotism. But I ran out of steam as it was 3am my time, a little past my bedtime. So i thought I would higlight the effect on those who wish no part of confict.

Similarly with the 'enemy' some will do doing what they think is right, protecting their homeland from 'invaders', others will be braoinwashed by religion etc, but both those in the army and those in resistance have made a choice. The only choice civilians make is to stay in their country.

Other threads are talking about possible upcoming revolution. Here is the reality. People who want nothing to do with fighting and death end up dead.

Russian revolution - civillians pay the cost.

We Europeans will remember the early 90s The break up of Yugoslavia - again civilians raped and murdered by peoiple with guns, people whom a month before were working in factories, who pick up guns for 'noble' 'patriotic causes' and go hound men and boys into buses to take to a kill zone.

Pychopathic planet! If anyone is interested to see how 'nationalism' became 'murder' there are videos of the story - albeit from a BBC perspective, on you tube - search the death of Yugoslavia.

I have gone off topic from your post Ask_a_debtor. If you want the link and Yugoslavia stuff removed just say so and I will edit them out.
 
Interesting that there are no special forces operations listed.

I guess black operations are out of the question? You know, the stuff that would really show the War On Terror for what it really is: smoke and mirrors, death and PTSD.
 
Nathan said:
Interesting that there are no special forces operations listed.

I guess black operations are out of the question?

Try "Task Force 373" ...for starters.

Perhaps you might want to actually read all the documents before you start making blanket (and incorrect) statements regarding what's contained in them and what is not?

Just a suggestion.
 
Guardian said:
Try "Task Force 373" ...for starters.

You're right, Task Force 373 is definitely among the few listed.

The reports cover most units from the US Army with the exception of most US Special Forces' activities. The reports do not generally cover top secret operations or European and other ISAF Forces operations.
_http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Afghan_War_Diary,_2004-2010

Although I haven't finished reading all the docs, I did come across one so far about 373. And I still went ahead and and wrote "no special forces". Oh dear! Anyway, thanks for pointing it out.
 
This number of 3394 civilians killed is interesting. Is that what people are going to understand as the total number of Afghan civilians killed since the beginning of the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan?

The actual official number is well over 30,000 civilians killed. Which means the real number is likely to be many times that number.
 
I was reading through some of the summaries of this and some other associated news on the Afghan War Diaries and decided to make a blog post since this whole "leak" reminded me of the Pentagon Papers fiasco mentioned by Prouty in The Secret Team. Here is the post in it's original form. Keep in mind the audience is directed at people on my Facebook page, so some of this is probably old news to some folks here.

Basically my thoughts are that this leak is an attempt by Mossad to frame the ISI and thus expand the military operations in the region - something that seems to be on Obama's agenda for awhile now. I think the over emphasis of Hamid Gul in these leaked documents really gives away the intentions of the Secret Team.

Still, it may be too early to tell just what will transpire from all of this, but by most serious accounts it is a "controlled leak".

FWIW:

Afghan War Diaries and Official Lies

Carol Rose of the Boston Globe recently published the following statement on the leaked Afghan War Diaries:

“Not since Daniel Ellsberg leaked the Pentagon papers on the failing war in Vietnam have we witnessed the importance of transparency in forcing our democracy to engage in an honest and public debate about a war that is costing billions in tax dollars and incalculable loss of human life.”

She may be right, however the devil, as always, is in the details.

L. Fletcher Prouty was a CIA insider during three presidential administrations who coined the phrase “The Secret Team”, which is the title of one of his books. In this book he made numerous references to the Pentagon papers. Prouty wanted to expose the inner workings of the CIA and their dubious operations, but without leaking any information he knew to be classified. He chose the Pentagon Papers as the source material for much of his book and offered his own insider interpretation of this leaked set of documents (some of which he authored). Here is what he had to say about the Pentagon Papers and the official “lies” they contained.

Much has been written on these subjects and on their vast supporting infrastructure, generally known as the “intelligence community.” Some of this historical writing has suffered from a serious lack of inside knowledge and experience. Most of this writing has been done by men who know something about the subject, by men how have researched and learned something about the subject, and in a few cases by men who had some experience with the subject. Rarely is there enough factual experience on the part of the writer. On the other hand, the Government and other special interests have paid writers huge amounts to write about this subject as they want it done, not truthfully. Thus our history is seriously warped and biased by such work.

[…]

A good example of this is the work of Les Gelb and his Pentagon associates on the official version of the purloined “Pentagon Papers.” That very title is the biggest cover story (no pun intended) of them all; so very few of those papers were really of Pentagon origin. The fact that I had many of them in my office of Special Operations in Joint Staff area, and that most of them had been in the files of the office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs (ISA) did not validate the local of their origin They were “working copies” and not originals. Notice how few were signed by true military officers.

[…]

As you may recall, this treasure trove of TOP SECRET papers was delivered to The New York Times, and other newspapers in mid-June, 1971, by a then-unknown “hippie” of that period. His name was Daniel Ellsberg. What few people have learned since that time is the fact that both Daniel Ellsberg, who pirated these highly classified papers, and Leslie Gelb of the Director of that Task Force has worked in that same office of International Security Affairs (ISA).

[…]

It is quite fantastic to find people like Daniel Ellsberg being charged with leaking official secrets simply because the label on the piece of paper said “TOP SECRET,” when the substance of many of the words written on those same papers was patently untrue and no more than a cover story. Except for the fact that they were official “lies,” these papers had no basis in fact and therefore no basis to be graded TOP SECRET or any other degree of classification.[1]

What Prouty goes on to discuss in his book is how the Pentagon papers were actually a subtle form of propaganda to give the CIA a pass when it came to the public fallout over the war in Vietnam. The reality of the situation was that the CIA was running the show but had no idea what they were doing other than the desire to play “fun and games”, clandestine operations in Vietnam and elsewhere in SE Asia. The US government and military went along with the CIA and followed them into the quagmire, not the other way around. The CIA needed a way to pass the buck onto somebody and the Pentagon Papers were a clever way of doing this. The Pentagon Papers directed the blame and frustration for the Vietnam war away from the Intelligence community and onto the shoulders of the US military.

The situation has certainly changed today. Reading a summary of the Afghan War Diaries, it appears the the CIA is not hiding the fact that it is giving direction to the soldiers and military units in Afghanistan. They make no bones about this in the report. So times certainly have changed in that regard. In a UK Guardian summary they mention the following:

Shum Khan, a man both deaf and unable to speak, lived in the remote border hamlet of Malekshay, 7,000ft up in the mountains. When a heavily armed squad from the CIA barrelled into his village in March 2007, the war logs record that he "ran at the sight of the approaching coalition forces … out of fear and confusion".

The secret CIA paramilitaries, (the euphemism here is OGA, for "other government agency") shouted at him to stop. Khan could not hear them. He carried on running. So they shot him, saying they were entitled to do so under the carefully graded "escalation of force" provisions of the US rules of engagement.

[…]

Behind the military jargon, the war logs are littered with accounts of civilian tragedies. The 144 entries in the logs recording some of these so-called "blue on white" events, cover a wide spectrum of day-by-day assaults on Afghans, with hundreds of casualties.

[...]

US and allied commanders frequently deny allegations of mass civilian casualties, claiming they are Taliban propaganda or ploys to get compensation, which are contradicted by facts known to the military.
But the logs demonstrate how much of the contemporaneous US internal reporting of air strikes is simply false.[2]

It is asinine to think that we Americans understand the intricacies of the cultures that weave together Afghanistan. To label some Afghanistan's as “Taliban insurgents”, “Al Qaida”, and others “civilians” is a completely subjective process and does not mirror the reality of the tribal nature of the people under fire from US and coalition forces. The people of Afghanistan don't wear uniforms and don't carry around “Taliban” ID cards. Claiming a death was an “insurgent” or “Al Qaida” is just a tactic to soften the reality of the war and keep the public placated. This is not Taliban propaganda, the Taliban are not writing the news that we hear in the US. The US military and what passes for the press in this country are the ones that do the propagandizing. This recent leaked set of documents is no different, it still comes directly from the US military, only a bit above the cover story given to the general public. These are all still "official lies".

While the reports of mass civilian casualties is sickening, it is really nothing new. There have been press reports highlighting the Afghan civilian casualties now for years. None of this should surprise anybody who keeps a careful eye on the news coming from this region. What is disheartening is that the civilian deaths mentioned in these reports will be tallied and assumed to be the extent of the murderous killing taking place in Afghanistan, however nothing could be further from the truth. The real number of civilian deaths is likely to be an order of magnitude greater than to total mentioned in these leaked documents.

What is interesting in this leak is the attention (dare I say selective) of the reports pointing the finger at Pakistani Intelligence (ISI). This isn't entirely new either. The Obama Administration has been looking for ways to broaden the war in Afghanistan since they stepped into office. Pointing the finger at the ISI is a good way to shift the blame from US or coalition forces onto another shadowy entity (ISI) that Americans know little about. Widening the scope of the war to include Pakistan seems to be on the agenda, although if this is modus operandi behind these leaks, it seems to have been done in a pretty sloppy way. Again, the UK Guardian gives a polite summary:

The miltiary's grading system offers one way of sifting the ISI file. Some 27 of the 180 reports are graded as C3 and above, meaning they come from a "fairly reliable source" and are "possibly true".
But many such reports appear highly implausible.

[...]

Apparently more credible reports of ISI skulduggery are marked SEWOC, or Signals Intelligence Electronic Warfare Operations Centre, signifying they come from intercepted communications. One SEWOC report, in December 2007, accused the ISI of deploying children as suicide bombers. But the military source said that such intelligence was also prone to distortion, and that its value depended on whose conversation was being eavesdropped.

[...]

One name that frequently surfaces is that of General Hamid Gul, director general of the ISI between 1987 and 1989, who is referenced in eight reports. One has him smuggling magnetic mines into Afghanistan to attack Nato troops; in another he is plotting to kidnap United Nations staff to bargain for imprisoned Pakistani militants. A report from January 2009 has Gul meeting Arab militants in Pakistan's tribal belt to send suicide vehicles into Afghanistan. "It was not known whether Hamid Gul was acting with the knowledge or consent of the ISI," the report states.

But while Gul, 73, is a well-known fundamentalist ideologue in Pakistan, experts say he is unlikely to play a frontline role in the fighting. Afghan informers may have used his name – he is notorious in Afghanistan – to spice up their stories, said Semple.

"There's a pattern of using a dramatis personae of famous ISI officers and Afghan commanders, and recurring reports of dramatic developments such as the delivery of surface-to-air missiles, to give these reports credibility," he said. "But most of them are simply fabricated."
Afghanistan has a long history of intelligence intrigues that stretches back to the early 19th century. Afghans have learned to use intelligence as a tool to influence the foreign powers occupying their land. In the past quarter century it has become a lucrative source of income in a country with few employment opportunities.

Since 2001 intelligence has become a tool to influence US policymakers, who enjoy the greatest military clout in the region but are poorly informed about its intricacies. The retired US officer said some NDS officials "wanted to create the impression that Pakistani complicity was a threat to the US". And more broadly speaking, "there's an Afghan prejudice that wants to see an ISI agent under every rock".[3]

Now this is starting to get interesting. The man mentioned here, General Hamid Gul did an interview about a year ago and gave his thoughts on the Afghan war. While, he is a professional intelligence agent and it is important to take what he says with more than a few grains of salt, his assessment in the interview seems pretty level headed and he also points the finger at some pretty powerful groups; Israel's Mossad being one such group. In the interview he is asked his thoughts on the Taliban within Pakistan's northern border (the TTP).
I turned the conversation towards the consequences of the war in Afghanistan on Pakistan, and the increased extremist militant activities within his own country's borders, where the Pakistani government has been at war with the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP, or Pakistan Taliban). I observed that the TTP seemed well funded and supplied and asked Gul how the group obtains financing and arms.

He responded without hesitation. "Yeah, of course they are getting it from across the Durand line, from Afghanistan. And the Mossad is sitting there, RAW is sitting there - the Indian intelligence agency - they have the umbrella of the U.S. And now they have created another organization which is called RAMA. It may be news to you that very soon this intelligence agency - of course, they have decided to keep it covert - but it is Research and Analysis Milli Afghanistan. That's the name. The Indians have helped create this organization, and its job is mainly to destabilize Pakistan."[4]

Gul also describes the situation with the opium trade in Afghanistan as one of the main motivations by coalition forces to continue the war.

"Now, let me give you the history of the drug trade in Afghanistan," his answer began. "Before the Taliban stepped into it, in 1994 - in fact, before they captured Kabul in September 1996 - the drugs, the opium production volume was 4,500 tons a year. Then gradually the Taliban came down hard upon the poppy growing. It was reduced to around 50 tons in the last year of the Taliban. That was the year 2001. Nearly 50 tons of opium produced. 50. Five-zero tons. Now last year the volume was at 6,200 tons. That means it has really gone one and a half times more than it used to be before the Taliban era." He pointed out, correctly, that the U.S. had actually awarded the Taliban for its effective reduction of the drug trade. On top of $125 million the U.S. gave to the Taliban ostensibly as humanitarian aid, the State Department awarded the Taliban $43 million for its anti-drug efforts. "Of course, they made their mistakes," General Gul continued. "But on the whole, they were doing fairly good. If they had been engaged in meaningful, fruitful, constructive talks, I think it would have been very good for Afghanistan."

[…]

General Gul named the brother of President Karzai, Abdul Wali Karzai. "Abdul Wali Karzai is the biggest drug baron of Afghanistan," he stated bluntly. He added that the drug lords are also involved in arms trafficking, which is "a flourishing trade" in Afghanistan. "But what is most disturbing from my point of view is that the military aircraft, American military aircraft are also being used. You said very rightly that the drug routes are northward through the Central Asia republics and through some of the Russian territory, and then into Europe and beyond. But some of it is going directly. That is by the military aircraft. I have so many times in my interviews said, 'Please listen to this information, because I am an aware person.' We have Afghans still in Pakistan, and they sometimes contact and pass on the stories to me. And some of them are very authentic. I can judge that. So they are saying that the American military aircraft are being used for this purpose. So, if that is true, it is very, very disturbing indeed."[4]
So here we have this massive wikileak pointing a finger at a 73 year old ex ISI intelligence director who is basically saying that Mossad, among other groups, are responsible for fueling the Taliban along the Pakistan border and that the US is complicit in fueling the burgeoning Afghan drug trade. No, I can't see any reason for wanting to single this man out!

It almost reads like they want to make Gul out to be a new terrorist boogie man - on par with the late Osama Bin Laden. Perhaps they figure that they can't prop up Osama's dead corpse forever and with widening the war with Pakistan on the agenda, they need a new scratching post.

As Prouty said, telling truth from lies and fact from fiction is no easy task in the murky underworld that surrounds intelligence groups.

… In every case, the chance for complete information is very small, and the hope that in time researchers, students, and historians will be able to ferret out truth from untruth, real from unreal, and story from cover story is at best a very slim one. Certainly, history teaches us that one truth will add to and enhance another; but let us not forget that one lie added to another lie will demolish everything. This is the important point.[1]

Important point indeed, especially in light of the recent Afghan War Diaries.

References:

1.) L. Fletcher Prouty, The Secret Team: The CIA and its Allies in Control of the United States and the World
2.) _http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/25/afghanistan-civilian-deaths-rules-engagement
3.) _http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/25/pakistan-isi-accused-taliban-afghanistan
4.) http://www.sott.net/articles/show/191238-Ex-ISI-Chief-Says-New-Afghan-Intelligence-Agency-RAMA-Created-to-destabilize-Pakistan-
 
That was a really great blog post, Ryan! Thanks for sharing. You're quite the journalist using astute analysis that's still accessible to a general audience. Keep up the great work.
 
Perceval said:
This number of 3394 civilians killed is interesting. Is that what people are going to understand as the total number of Afghan civilians killed since the beginning of the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan?

The actual official number is well over 30,000 civilians killed. Which means the real number is likely to be many times that number.

Hmm, didn't really think about it this way because knowing that this is only 70,000 "leaked" documents out of who knows how many, I figured the total would be many times that number. But I could see it being advertised or promoted as such. Maybe that's the idea behind the leak, just to further skew the public perception of the war.


I'll add this here because it hasn't been mentioned in this thread, SOTT is running an article on this, currently on the front page of the Best of the Web.

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/212865-Leaky-Vessels-Wikileaks-Revelations-Will-Comfort-Washington-Warmongers-Confirm-Conventional-Wisdom
 
Ask_a_debtor said:
Hmm, didn't really think about it this way because knowing that this is only 70,000 "leaked" documents out of who knows how many, I figured the total would be many times that number.

Exactly, and we can get a pretty good estimate of how the total numbers are being understated by showing how the KIA/WIA numbers in specific encounters have been grossly understated. Wanna bet we see a chart on those numbers in a few weeks or so?

But I could see it being advertised or promoted as such.

Of course...you can't post the truth about anything without the psychos doing that.


Maybe that's the idea behind the leak, just to further skew the public perception of the war.

Then why post the raw data and allow people to make their own analysis? Not usually the preferred method of "skewing" ;)
 
Please remember that the War Diaries have been up less than a week. Unless we're talking a Stephen Hawkins type speed reader...the opinions we're hearing are from people who haven't read all the documents yet. Some of them haven't read ANYTHING but what the mainstream spoon feed them.

Maybe we should at least give the grassroots journalists who actually think for themselves time to read the data? Heck, we could even read it ourselves before forming an opinion....isn't that kewl :)
 
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