Alien Abduction and Human Mutilation

[wanderer33]

In regard to the phenomenon mentioned in the topic heading I have a few questions and a theory.

First the questions. Haven't the Cs said and it has been discussed in regard to Mouravieff's trilogy that humans are of two kinds, disregarding the fact that there may be sub-sets of these two types (pre-Adamic and Adamic). Is this correct?

Also has it not been discussed, that there are also soulful and soul-less human containers (people). Is this correct?

Also has it not been mentioned by the Cs that the reptilians and their ilk cannot interfere with the souled beings because of the soul part?

If that is the case, it is possible that the human abduction mutlilations are being carried out on soul-less beings which even though we perceive them as fellow humans, may be just meat bags and targets for the mutilators?

 

[HiThere]

My understanding is that abductions primarily happens to the least aware individuals, and that would include OPs. The C's also states in another session that the majority of abductees are special breeds of humans, I think American Indians were mentioned, but I don't remember the session date. M2C :)

 

[Laura]

In regard to the phenomenon mentioned in the topic heading I have a few questions and a theory.

First the questions. Haven't the Cs said and it has been discussed in regard to Mouravieff's trilogy that humans are of two kinds, disregarding the fact that there may be sub-sets of these two types (pre-Adamic and Adamic). Is this correct?

yes.

Also has it not been discussed, that there are also soulful and soul-less human containers (people). Is this correct?

Seems to be so...

Also has it not been mentioned by the Cs that the reptilians and their ilk cannot interfere with the souled beings because of the soul part?

Nope. You made a wrong turn here.

 

[anart]

Nope. You made a wrong turn here.

Here is an excerpt from session 020914 that states that there is no need to even abduct OPs:

Q: (L) So you are saying that some of them are not
really being abducted. They're just having something
projected into their mind. So how long has this been
going on?
A: Over 30 years.
Q: (L) That would be back to the 70's. And so where
did Whitley come up with his gray aliens...and how
does this relate to grays as cyber-genetic probes?
A: There really are "grays." But not nearly as
ubiquitous the gov would like you to think.
Q: (L) So with Whitley telling everybody how it
happens and what they look like, along with
contouring of the blanket EM mind control field or
whatever, with the beaming out of a
mind-programming waves - whatever it is - they're
able to make a whole hell of a lot of people -
everybody who is susceptible - think they are in
contact with gray aliens. What is it that makes some
people susceptible and not others?
A: Most generally that they are not organic portals.
Q: (L) So that leads to our other question, do organic
portals ever get abducted?
A: No need.
Q: (L) So they're using this, in a sense, as a weeding
mechanism?
A: More or less.
Q: (L) So those people who declare firmly, that there
is absolutely, never have, never could be, any
evidence of abduction, could be OP's?
A: Generally speaking, yes.

 

[wanderer33]

Thanks for clearing up that point Laura.

Anart, there is a physical body of evidence regarding human mutilation of a repeatable type which is linked to UFO abductions. Not of the kind where people wake up in the morning and think they have had experiences with greys. The bodies have been photographed, had autopsies and been classified in official incident files.

That doesn't sound like projected imagery into particular minds. Does the transcript imply that entire investigation teams are also part of a mass hallucination?

 

[HiThere]

Nope. You made a wrong turn here.

Here is an excerpt from session 020914 that states that there is no need to even abduct OPs:

Q: (L) So you are saying that some of them are not
really being abducted. They're just having something
projected into their mind. So how long has this been
going on?
A: Over 30 years.
Q: (L) That would be back to the 70's. And so where
did Whitley come up with his gray aliens...and how
does this relate to grays as cyber-genetic probes?
A: There really are "grays." But not nearly as
ubiquitous the gov would like you to think.
Q: (L) So with Whitley telling everybody how it
happens and what they look like, along with
contouring of the blanket EM mind control field or
whatever, with the beaming out of a
mind-programming waves - whatever it is - they're
able to make a whole hell of a lot of people -
everybody who is susceptible - think they are in
contact with gray aliens. What is it that makes some
people susceptible and not others?
A: Most generally that they are not organic portals.
Q: (L) So that leads to our other question, do organic
portals ever get abducted?
A: No need.
Q: (L) So they're using this, in a sense, as a weeding
mechanism?
A: More or less.
Q: (L) So those people who declare firmly, that there
is absolutely, never have, never could be, any
evidence of abduction, could be OP's?
A: Generally speaking, yes.

Thank you Laura and Anart. :)

 

[anart]

Thanks for clearing up that point Laura.

Anart, there is a physical body of evidence regarding human mutilation of a repeatable type which is linked to UFO abductions. Not of the kind where people wake up in the morning and think they have had experiences with greys. The bodies have been photographed, had autopsies and been classified in official incident files.

That doesn't sound like projected imagery into particular minds. Does the transcript imply that entire investigation teams are also part of a mass hallucination?

No, it doesn't sound like projected imagery to me - however, that doesn't define what it is. I'm not sure what your questions is, though - could you clarify?

 

[Laura]

Thanks for clearing up that point Laura.

Anart, there is a physical body of evidence regarding human mutilation of a repeatable type which is linked to UFO abductions. Not of the kind where people wake up in the morning and think they have had experiences with greys. The bodies have been photographed, had autopsies and been classified in official incident files.

That doesn't sound like projected imagery into particular minds. Does the transcript imply that entire investigation teams are also part of a mass hallucination?

What does human mutilations have to do with the Whitley Streiber type abductions? Two totally different things.

The Cs' point is that the Gray abductions popularized by Streiber and Budd Hopkins are a COVER for the much more horrifying fact that REAL alien abductions usually do not result in return... or at least not returned alive.

 

[wanderer33]

Laura

What does human mutilations have to do with the Whitley Streiber type abductions? Two totally different things.

The Cs' point is that the Gray abductions popularized by Streiber and Budd Hopkins are a COVER for the much more horrifying fact that REAL alien abductions usually do not result in return... or at least not returned alive.

Those latter cases are what I'm talking about. I never mentioned Streiber or Hopkins. I'd agree with the Cs assessment in regard to a COVER. I was referring to the cases that are identical in mutilation (like cattle mutilation) and the victims are found dead after being returned. But you say that the Cs have said that the ETs DO interfere in the lives of souled beings, therefore my theory is blown out of the water IF souled beings are victims of the latter types of abductions. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[EGVG]

How did you get to your theory?? Why would you think souless humans where being abducted and killed??? to scared the souled ones?

 

[wanderer33]

Huh?

Sorry I did not understand your post. Would you please clarify?

 

[EGVG]

Huh?

Sorry I did not understand your post. Would you please clarify?

I'm sorry to. What are the cases of human mutilation that you are talking about????

 

[Laura]

wanderer33, have you read my book on the topic: "High Strangeness"? I've collected all the alien related transcripts together there along with a lot of other material from witnesses and experts. It would be well worth your time, I think.

 

[wanderer33]

Thanks laura. I'll have a look at it.

 

[Nienna]

Wanderer33, your very first post you stated:

In regard to the phenomenon mentioned in the topic heading I have a few questions and a theory.

First the questions. Haven't the Cs said and it has been discussed in regard to Mouravieff's trilogy that humans are of two kinds, disregarding the fact that there may be sub-sets of these two types (pre-Adamic and Adamic). Is this correct?

Also has it not been discussed, that there are also soulful and soul-less human containers (people). Is this correct?

Also has it not been mentioned by the Cs that the reptilians and their ilk cannot interfere with the souled beings because of the soul part?

If that is the case, it is possible that the human abduction mutlilations are being carried out on soul-less beings which even though we perceive them as fellow humans, may be just meat bags and targets for the mutilators?

From how I am seeing it, which could be incorrect, Anart and EGVG were replying to the bolded part of your first post. We are all meatbags, or containers if you will, as far as the 4D STSers are concerned.

fwiw