Ancient Computer Revisited : The Antikythera Mechanism

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How interesting, I wonder why did they wait for so long to acknowledge this

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Ancient Moon 'computer' revisited


"When you see it your jaw just drops and you think, 'bloody hell that's clever' "
Mike Edmunds
Cardiff University


The delicate workings at the heart of a 2000-year-old analogue computer have been revealed by scientists.

The Antikythera Mechanism, discovered more than 100 years ago in a Roman shipwreck, was used by ancient Greeks to display astronomical cycles.

Using advanced imaging techniques, an Anglo-Greek team probed the remaining fragments of the complex geared device.

The results, published in the journal Nature, show it could have been used to predict solar and lunar eclipses.

The elaborate arrangement of bronze gears may also have displayed planetary information.

"This is as important for technology as the Acropolis is for architecture," said Professor John Seiradakis of the Aristotle University of Thessaloniki in Greece, and one of the team. "It is a unique device."

However, not all experts agree with the team's interpretation of the mechanism

Technical complexity

The remains of the device were first discovered in 1902 when archaeologist Valerios Stais noticed a heavily corroded gear wheel amongst artefacts recovered by sponge divers from a sunken Roman cargo ship.

A further 81 fragments have since been found containing a total of 30 hand-cut bronze gears. The largest fragment has 27 cogs.

Researchers believe these would have been housed in a rectangular wooden frame with two doors, covered in instructions for its use. The complete calculator would have been driven by a hand crank.

Although its origins are uncertain, the new studies of the inscriptions suggest it would have been constructed around 100-150 BC, long before such devices appear in other parts of the world.

Writing in Nature, the team says that the mechanism was "technically more complex than any known device for at least a millennium afterwards".

Although much of it is now lost, particularly from the front, what remains has given a century's worth of researchers a tantalising glimpse into the world of ancient Greek astronomy.

One of the most comprehensive studies was done by British science historian Derek Solla Price, who advanced the theory that the device was used to calculate and display celestial information.
 
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Counter-Gravity Mechanism

Hello everyone,
I was contacted by a greek researcher called Mr. Theodore Tsiriggakis who has invented a mechanism that produces counter-gravity, so as to create some presentation graphics for his invention. Mr. Tsiriggakis is a very experienced engineer who has also invented -among many other things- patented gearless differentials based on his study of a device found in an ancient greek ship wreck, called the "Antikythera Mechanism" which he started to study back in 1968. Some of his technology has been used by the Formula One racing team of Ferrari.
I met him in person, and he is a very simple and modest man who is deeply involved and commited to his research. He has absolute faith in the working-principal of his mechanism and his only worry is for his invention not to end up forgotten or/and unused in some corporation's drawer. For that reason he is about to disclose publicly a lot more information during this year concerning this technology. I consider his work very interesting and i thought i should share it with you all, since it is also the wish of Mr.Tsiriggakis to get some public exposure and especially the attention of physicists. It is funny how he considers his invention more like a "huge burden" that he is too tired to carry on his shoulders alone for much more. I was pleasently surprised by his character and simplicity. The only "boastfull" thing i heard from his lips is that his workshop is placed right next and gets shadowed by the hill of the Acropolis.
For more information you can visit his website (_www.tsiriggakis.gr). As it seems, I will be following his work from now on, and will keep you informed if you are interested. Take care.

Spyros
 
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spyraal said:
He has absolute faith in the working-principal of his mechanism and his only worry is for his invention not to end up forgotten or/and unused in some corporation's drawer.
Sorry, but I fail to understand. Either his mechanism works and he knows what he is doing, then he should disclose it immediately, or his mechanism does not work, then it may take him 1000 years to make it work and disclose.
Any opinion of other "physicists" is totally irrelevant. There are thousands of crazy physicists on this planet. It is enough to visit

http://aias.us/

or

http://www.scientificethics.org/
 
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You are right in your question Ark. I will try to give you a more exact picture and explain what i understand up to now with my just average knowledge of physics. Please excuse in advance any mistakes or misconceptions of mine as i am still trying to understand this thing myself.

This mechanism uses the centripetal force to produce lift. It has two rotating weights that produce this force while rotating. These two alone would not suffice to produce lift though, as the force they produce is equally distributed along all axis much like rotating by hand two weights tied in the opposite ends of a rope. There is a strong force being produced but the many component forces allow little control over the direction of the main resulting force. Some kind of differential though transforms this flat "O" shaped movement to a 3-dimensional "8" shape movement. This, along the rotation of the whole mechanism along his central axis has the effect of greatly reducing the otherwise "even" or "random" distribution of forces, to a single resultant force that can be directed and controlled. In the protoype that i witnessed, when put upon a scale, the more you increase the speed of rotation, the smaller gets the reading of the scale. The mechanism is indeed trying to lift but it is not actually flying yet. According to Mr. Tsiriggakis this is feasible but it would take the building of a new model of the mechanism that uses the same principal but it would be build using greater engineering precision and higher quality materials so as it can rotate safely to high rounds per minute, where it is estimated to produce a great and easily diverted to any direction force, including of course lift, without any aerodynamics. So, this is what he seems to be certain of: that this new model, when it is built, it will deliver a serious efficient, and controllable force that can produce lift. When two weights rotate against each other, they tend to counter-balance each other. The fact that when these two weights rotate in an "8" shape instead of the common "O" shape, together with the rotation of this whole "system"creates a significant "new" and cotrollable resulting force that was discovered by "accident" by Mr. Tsiriggakis.

Please excuse the simplicity of my explanations. I am sure his knowledge of physics greatly exceeds mine, but for himself he still -rightfully- feels that he is just a "machinist" who stepped by chance into something bigger than himsel. He says that he is a very tired man and apart from his shinning eyes, he looks like one also. I hope i was able to clarify some things for the readers of this post. But Ark, i will pose your question to him tomorrow when we will shall meet again and i will let you know of his answer. Thank you all for your time in reading this.

info: a direct link to the mechanism's page on his site where there are pictures and some animations: _http://www.tsiriggakis.gr/sm.html
 
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spyraal said:
I am sure his knowledge of physics greatly exceeds mine
But where you did get the idea that he knows physics at all?
 
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Well..., Mr. Tsiriggakis is indeed just a machinist or engineer. His knowledge in physics might not be, and it seems that isn't, that of an "academic level" -if i may say so- and probably most of it must have come from his army machinist trainning, experience and interaction with scientists. But judging from his already operational inventions and patents, and after so many years of experience, my only safe bet is that at least me cannot be very objective in evaluating his work. If he is the inventor (which appears he is) of these mechanisms and differentials with so little or no knowledge of physics, then either had a lot of assistance or he must have other talents and skills to compensate for that lack or somewhere in between. Your question is valid but i cannot come up with a better answer this moment. But your comment did raise a bar in my "alert status", so it may be more proper for me to keep a healthy portion of good will but equally matched by cautious reservation on this project.

He also seems to have a team of scientists that support his research, but as it also appears in your links, this does not necessary say something. For that I will have to do some better background research on them to get some more firm clues. But in the case that they are conscious humans (a case which has to be proven though), i assume that since they encourage him in his efforts they must have found some good reason (in any other case even that "reason" can be anoher can of worms on it's own now that i think if...) One of my own critical thoughts is that maybe calling this device "counter-gravity mechanism" -as i currently understand it's operation- might actually be an overstatement, as even if eventually manages to produce enough lift to fly, "lift" does not equal "counter-gravity" (or does it?) and that such "little" semantics are sometimes quite important, as they are the devil's favourite place of residence... Hmmm. Time will tell i guess. It seems I do have some new interesting things to ask. Thank you for your mind-provoking critical questions Ark.
 
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After studying the animations of this intriguing mechanism on the website, I understand that what he does is just converting angular momentum of two little weights into an upward vertical acceleration, followed by a downward vertical acceleration, which in turn lifts the whole machine for a short period per revolution. But that's just intertia. Declaring that as "counter-gravity", overshoots the mark, IMO.

But masterpieces of mechanical engineering nevertheless!
 
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_http://www.projectcamelot.net/ralph_ring.html
_http://www.rexresearch.com/carr/1carr.htm
_http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/01archives/Carr_Otis_Keely.htm

Hello All

I've been studying the research and story of a man named Ralph Ring, who actually built fully operational gravity cancelling craft back in the 1950's! His trouble started when he thought he could market this device and solicited the government's interest.

His full designs are listed in the above pages, and he applied for a patent disguising his machine as an amusement park ride. I've been studying his design and believe I've made progress in understanding major aspects of it. It would be very interesting to build a working model.
 
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_projectcamelot.net/ralph_ring.html said:
OTC: The coils of wire inside the ring are regenerative coils, they are electro-motive force coils and they assist the regenerating of the battery. Because they are loops of wire brought through a magnetic field which sets up an electro-motive force. These others are capacitor plates and these are also activated by the central power core; but these plates, which can accept a very high charge in neutral conductance also through the process of ionization utilize atmospheric electricity.

Have you considered that UFOs, allegedly built of steel, nuts and bolts and screws, electrical coils and capacitors, are probably a cover-up for the nature of the real UFO phenomenon?

ankhepiphan said:
I've been studying his design and believe I've made progress in understanding major aspects of it.
The quoted paragraph above does not make much sense to me. How come you did succeed in understanding this "technical" chatter?
 
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Who's talking about UFOs here?
The design of this craft just happens to be circular because of the circular motion of its parts. This is not technology from 'outer space', but supposedly a workable GRAVITY CANCELING device developed by a team of regular human beings.



"The quoted paragraph above does not make much sense to me. How come you did succeed in understanding this "technical" chatter?"

?????? Your question doesn't make much sense
 
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Hi, it might be worth your while to search the forum for 'project camelot' since it is known disinformation. What, exactly, are you hoping to accomplish with this 'tinkering'?

ankhepiphan said:
Who's talking about UFOs here?
The design of this craft just happens to be circular because of the circular motion of its parts. This is not technology from 'outer space', but supposedly a workable GRAVITY CANCELING device developed by a team of regular human beings.

?????? Your question doesn't make much sense

Also, this is rather an emotional reaction - how identified are you with your 'tinkering'?
 
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ankhepiphan said:
Who's talking about UFOs here?
That's not the point. There is the public term 'flying saucers'. When people look at such pictures (as in your provided links) most of them will think that 'flying saucers' are just crazy inventions from scientists. Then people will sweep the whole issue under the convenient rug. And that is exactly the goal of such sources, to say: "Move along, there's nothing to see here."
 
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I understand what you are saying. I'm not at all identified with any tinkering. The thing that intriged me is the theory and math they use which i've encountered elswhere in my research on resonance and rotation. eg:

... "Any vehicle accelerated to an axis rotation relative to its attractive inertial mass, immediately becomes activated by free-space-energy and acts as an independent force... We have shown that a charged body, accelerated to an axis rotation relative to this attractive inertial mass, indicates polarity in a given direction.

"The dip-needle points, say, up toward the top of the body. But mount this while rotating body, with its spindle, on another platform and rotate this platform on a spindle, then if the counter-rotation is greater than the inertial forward rotation of the body, a dip-needle on the second platform will point down while the first dip-needle points up, indicating complete relativity of polarity. When the exact counter-rotation matches the forward rotation the body loses its polarity entirely and immediately becomes activated by free-energy (tensor stresses in space) and acts as an independent force... The above-described assembly of counter-rotating charged masses becomes weightless and will escape the immediate attraction of gravitational forces....So that if the earth as we say is 8,000 miles in diameter, we know its fixed rotation is 1 in 24 hrs. If we were 1 mile in diameter its rotation would be 8,000 in 24 hrs. And by the same system, our 45 foot craft would have a rotation of 580 rpms a minute and when it reaches this rotation it is totally independent of its inertial attractive mass, in an electro-magnetic field.
"



My question is this: Could the above quoted statement have any merit?? I understand disinformation, and I also understand very well the concept of discrediting and hiding something in plain sight. I try not to toss the baby out with the bathwater.

What do you think about the above concept?
 
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If you claim to have "studied" the "major aspects" of this principle, why don't you disclose it in your own clear, simple terms? Or do you expect anyone to find out if this principle bears any "merit" for you?
 
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I expect nothing from "anyone", and why should I. Simply sharing information to stimulate discussion perhaps with those who've done similar research, or others who have an open mind.
 
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