Another Hit for the Cassiopaeans - DNA

[Laura]

'Junk' DNA proves functional

In a paper published in Genome Research on Nov. 4, scientists at the Genome Institute of Singapore (GIS) report that what was previously believed to be "junk" DNA is one of the important ingredients distinguishing humans from other species.

More than 50 percent of human DNA has been referred to as "junk" because it consists of copies of nearly identical sequences. A major source of these repeats is internal viruses that have inserted themselves throughout the genome at various times during mammalian evolution.

Using the latest sequencing technologies, GIS researchers showed that many transcription factors, the master proteins that control the expression of other genes, bind specific repeat elements. The researchers showed that from 18 to 33% of the binding sites of five key transcription factors with important roles in cancer and stem cell biology are embedded in distinctive repeat families.

Over evolutionary time, these repeats were dispersed within different species, creating new regulatory sites throughout these genomes. Thus, the set of genes controlled by these transcription factors is likely to significantly differ from species to species and may be a major driver for evolution.

This research also shows that these repeats are anything but "junk DNA," since they provide a great source of evolutionary variability and might hold the key to some of the important physical differences that distinguish humans from all other species.

The GIS study also highlighted the functional importance of portions of the genome that are rich in repetitive sequences.

"Because a lot of the biomedical research use model organisms such as mice and primates, it is important to have a detailed understanding of the differences between these model organisms and humans in order to explain our findings," said Guillaume Bourque, Ph.D., GIS Senior Group Leader and lead author of the Genome Research paper.

"Our research findings imply that these surveys must also include repeats, as they are likely to be the source of important differences between model organisms and humans," added Dr. Bourque. "The better our understanding of the particularities of the human genome, the better our understanding will be of diseases and their treatments."

"The findings by Dr. Bourque and his colleagues at the GIS are very exciting and represent what may be one of the major discoveries in the biology of evolution and gene regulation of the decade," said Raymond White, Ph.D., Rudi Schmid Distinguished Professor at the Department of Neurology at the University of California, San Francisco, and chair of the GIS Scientific Advisory Board.

"We have suspected for some time that one of the major ways species differ from one another - for instance, why rats differ from monkeys - is in the regulation of the expression of their genes: where are the genes expressed in the body, when during development, and how much do they respond to environmental stimuli," he added.

"What the researchers have demonstrated is that DNA segments carrying binding sites for regulatory proteins can, at times, be explosively distributed to new sites around the genome, possibly altering the activities of genes near where they locate. The means of distribution seem to be a class of genetic components called 'transposable elements' that are able to jump from one site to another at certain times in the history of the organism. The families of these transposable elements vary from species to species, as do the distributed DNA segments which bind the regulatory proteins."

Dr. White also added, "This hypothesis for formation of new species through episodic distributions of families of gene regulatory DNA sequences is a powerful one that will now guide a wealth of experiments to determine the functional relationships of these regulatory DNA sequences to the genes that are near their landing sites. I anticipate that as our knowledge of these events grows, we will begin to understand much more how and why the rat differs so dramatically from the monkey, even though they share essentially the same complement of genes and proteins."

And what did the Cs say about it back in 2000???

Q: Now, let me get to MY questions! You once said that the core of DNA is an as yet
undiscovered enzyme related to carbon. Is that correct?
A: Yes.
Q: Here in this book it says: "Evidence is accumulating that only a relatively small portion of the
DNA sequence is for so-called structural genes. Structural genes lead to the production of
protein. There are an estimated 50,000 structural genes with an average sized of approximately
5,000 base pairs, which then accounts for only 250 million of the estimated 3 billion base pairs.
What is the rest of the DNA for? Some of the DNA is so-called repetitive sequences, repeated
thousands of times. The function is unknown. The ALU, repeat, for instance, contains over
300,000 copies of the same 300 base pair sequence. Certainly this DNA is not junk and plays
some important role in the gene regulation chromosomal architecture or chromosomal replication.
Until 1977, it was thought that genes were single sequences of DNA that are coded into RNA and
then into protein. However, further study has shown greater complexity. It is now known that
there are pieces of DNA within a gene that are not translated into protein. These intervening
sequences, or INTRONS, are somewhat of a mystery, but appear to be a very common
phenomenon." Now, is this thing they are talking about, these INTRONS, are these the core that
you were talking about?
A: In part.
Q: What about this ALU repeat with over 300,000 copies of the same base pair sequence. What
is it?
A: Tribal unit.
Q: What is a tribal unit?
A: Sectionalized zone of significant marker compounds.
Q: What does this code for?
A: Physiological/spiritual union profile.
Q: Could you define "tribal" for me?
A: You define.
Q: What does the rest of the DNA code for that is not coding for structural genes. What else can
it be doing?
A: Truncated flow.
Q: Truncated flow of what?
A: Liquids.
Q: Liquids from where to where?
A: What is your sense?
Q: Well, what liquids?
A: Time for your input.
Q: Do some of these...
A: No. Not alright: we asked you a question!
Q: Okay. Truncated flow of liquids. I'm not even sure what that means. (A) Maybe something
was flowing and something cut it off and stopped it and it cannot be developed. It means that
something was cut. (L) Does truncated flow mean a flow of liquid that has been stopped?
A: Yes. Because of design alteration!
Q: Is this liquid that has been truncated a chemical transmitter?
A: Yes.
Q: And would this chemical transmitter, if it were allowed to flow, cause significant alterations
in other segments of the DNA?
A: Yes.
Q: So, there is a segment of code that is in there, that is deliberately inserted, to truncate this flow
of liquid, which is a chemical transmitter, or neuropeptide, which would unlock significant
portions of our DNA?
A: Close Biogenetic engineering.
Q: I assume that this was truncated by the Lizzies and cohorts?
A: Close, but more likely Orion STS designers.
Q: Okay, can you tell us what this specific liquid or transmitter was truncated?
A: Think of the most efficient conductor of chemical compounds for low wave frequency charge.
Q: (A) Well, gold is one... (L) Acetylcholine?
A: No.
Q: (L) Water?
A: No.
Q: Saline?
A: Closer. It is a naturally bonding combination.
Q: (L) Well, I'll have to research it. The fact is, we've got 3 billion base pairs... do some of these
so-called segments of "junk DNA," if they were activated, would they instruct chromosomal
replication to take place with more than 23 pairs as a result?
A: In part.
Q: Is there anything we can do in terms of activities or...
A: No. Biogenetic engineering.
Q: Was my insight that I had one night that, at some point in time something may happen that
will turn genes on in our bodies that will cause us to physically transform, an accurate perception
of what could happen at the time of transition to 4th density?
A: For the most part, yes.
Q: Are there any limitations to what our physical bodies can transform to if instructed by the
DNA? Could we literally grow taller, rejuvenate, change our physical appearance, capabilities, or
whatever, if instructed by the DNA?
A: Receivership capability.
Q: What is receivership capability?
A: Change to broader receivership capability.
Q: (A) That means that you can receive more of something.
A: Close.
Q: (A) It means how good is your receiver.
A: Yes.
Q: (L) What is your receiver? The physical body?
A: Mind through central nervous system connection to higher levels.
Q: So, that is the whole issue of gaining knowledge and developing control over your
body. If your mind and CNS are tuned to higher levels of consciousness, that has
significance in terms of your receivership capability?
A: Close.

 

[Rabelais]

"Our research findings imply that these surveys must also include repeats, as they are likely to be the source of important differences between model organisms and humans," added Dr. Bourque. "The better our understanding of the particularities of the human genome, the better our understanding will be of diseases and their treatments."

Uh oh... there goes their pharma reserach grants.

Good catch on the Cass hit too. Did you ever find anymore links to the "fluid" that they referred to?

How about amniotic fluid? From wiki:

Analysis of amniotic fluid, drawn out of the mother's abdomen in an amniocentesis procedure, can reveal many aspects of the baby's genetic health. This is because the fluid also contains fetal cells which can be examined for genetic defects. Recent research by researchers led by Anthony Atala of Wake Forest University and a team from Harvard University has found that amniotic fluid is also a plentiful source of non-embryonic stem cells.[1] These cells have demonstrated the ability to differentiate into a number of different cell-types, including brain, liver and bone.

_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amniotic_fluid

 

[dantem]

Good catch on the Cass hit too. Did you ever find anymore links to the "fluid" that they referred to?

How about amniotic fluid? From wiki:

Analysis of amniotic fluid, drawn out of the mother's abdomen in an amniocentesis procedure, can reveal many aspects of the baby's genetic health. This is because the fluid also contains fetal cells which can be examined for genetic defects. Recent research by researchers led by Anthony Atala of Wake Forest University and a team from Harvard University has found that amniotic fluid is also a plentiful source of non-embryonic stem cells.[1] These cells have demonstrated the ability to differentiate into a number of different cell-types, including brain, liver and bone.

_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amniotic_fluid

Could it be a brain fluid instead?

_http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/bio99/bio99289.htm

Fluids around the brain

Question: What types of fluids are around the human brain?
mccombs

Answer: The fluid bathing the brain is called the cerebrospinal fluid abbreviated
CSF. It serves two functions. One, it cushions the brain against injury by preventing
it from banging into the inside of the skull. Second, it has a chemical composition
different from blood, optimized for the special functions of nerve cells. It is made
from the blood in the ventricles, the four spaces inside the brain.

_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebrospinal_fluid

Cerebrospinal fluid (CSF), Liquor cerebrospinalis, is a clear bodily fluid that occupies the subarachnoid space and the ventricular system around and inside the brain. Essentially, the brain "floats" in it.

More specifically the CSF occupies the space between the arachnoid mater (the middle layer of the brain cover, meninges) and the pia mater (the layer of the meninges closest to the brain). Moreover it constitutes the content of all intra-cerebral (inside the brain, cerebrum) ventricles, cisterns and sulci (singular sulcus), as well as the central canal of the spinal cord.

It is an approximately isotonic solution and acts as a "cushion" or buffer for the cortex, providing also a basic mechanical and immunological protection to the brain inside the skull.[...]

 

[spyraal]

Q: Is this liquid that has been truncated a chemical transmitter?
A: Yes.
Q: And would this chemical transmitter, if it were allowed to flow, cause significant alterations
in other segments of the DNA?
A: Yes.
Q: So, there is a segment of code that is in there, that is deliberately inserted, to truncate this flow
of liquid, which is a chemical transmitter, or neuropeptide, which would unlock significant
portions of our DNA?
A: Close Biogenetic engineering.

I don't know if someone has figured that one out already (meaning the "liquid"), but my guess based on the transcript would be that it is some kind of neuro-trasmitter, since neurotrasmitters accommodate brain functions and do play a major role in our awareness. What if the body's former ability for production of this "fluid" or neurotransmitter was modified and/or replaced by the Orion STS designers with another one?... Hmm.. Maybe, that change would be enough to create a "new man" in terms of his worldview...

There are many different ways to classify neurotransmitters. Dividing them into amino acids, peptides, and monoamines is sufficient for some purposes.

Approximately ten "small-molecule neurotransmitters" are known:

* Acetylcholine (ACh)
* Monoamines: norepinephrine (NE), dopamine (DA), serotonin (5-HT), melatonin, histamine
* Amino acids: glutamate, gamma aminobutyric acid (GABA), aspartate, glycine
* Purines: Adenosine, ATP, GTP, and their derivatives

In addition, over 50 neuroactive peptides have been found, and new ones are discovered on a regular basis. Many of these are "co-released" along with a small-molecule transmitter, but in some cases a peptide is the primary transmitter at a synapse.

Single ions, such as synaptically released zinc, are also considered neurotransmitters by some, as are a few gaseous molecules such as nitric oxide (NO) and carbon monoxide (CO). These are not neurotransmitters by the strict definition, however, because although they have all been shown experimentally to be released by presynaptic terminals in an activity-dependent way, they are not packaged into vesicles.

Not all neurotransmitters are equally important. By far the most prevalent transmitter is glutamate, which is used at well over 90% of the synapses in the human brain. The next most prevalent is GABA, which is used at more than 90% of the synapses that don't use glutamate. Note, however, that even though other transmitters are used in far fewer synapses, they may be very important functionally: the great majority of psychoactive drugs exert their effects by altering the actions of some neurotransmitter system, and the great majority of these act through transmitters other than glutamate or GABA. Addictive drugs such as cocaine, amphetamine, and heroin, for example, exert their effects primarily on the dopamine system.

Just my 2 cents, here!
:)

 

[John G]

The liquid could be a solution with the methyl group.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylation

Methylation contributing to epigenetic inheritance can occur either through DNA methylation or protein methylation.

DNA methylation in vertebrates typically occurs at CpG sites (cytosine-phosphate-guanine sites; that is, where a cytosine is directly followed by a guanine in the DNA sequence); this methylation results in the conversion of the cytosine to 5-methylcytosine. The formation of Me-CpG is catalyzed by the enzyme DNA methyltransferase. CpG sites are uncommon in vertebrate genomes but are often found at higher density near vertebrate gene promoters where they are collectively referred to as CpG islands. The methylation state of these CpG sites can have a major impact on gene activity/expression.

Protein methylation typically takes place on arginine or lysine amino acid residues in the protein sequence.[1] Arginine can be methylated once (monomethylated arginine) or twice, with either both methyl groups on one terminal nitrogen (asymmetric dimethylated arginine) or one on both nitrogens (symmetric dimethylated arginine) by peptidylarginine methyltransferases (PRMTs). Lysine can be methylated once, twice or three times by lysine methyltransferases. Protein methylation has been most well studied in the histones. The transfer of methyl groups from S-adenosyl methionine to histones is catalyzed by enzymes known as histone methyltransferases. Histones which are methylated on certain residues can act epigenetically to repress or activate gene expression.[2][3] Protein methylation is one type of post-translational modification.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methyl
http://discovermagazine.com/2006/nov/cover

 

[Nightmajic]

I'm just going to throw this out there as another possible interpretation on this 'truncated flow of liquid.' It comes from the chapter 'Hypnotism' in Beelzebub's Tales:

"During the era of the Tikliamishian civilization, when learned beings from the country of Maralpleicie first discovered the possibility of such combinations in their common psyche and tried to put on another at will into that special state, they began to understand its use, and soon found a way of summoning it to the aid of the being-hanbledzoin, that cosmic substance whose essence the three-brained beings of contemporary civilization came close to understanding, and which they named animal magnetism." (p.568, missing paragraph. Found in the 'Guide and Index to All and Everything'; Traditional Studies Press)

"Since for the explanation of the given case and also perhaps for my following explanations, you must know more in detail concerning being-Hanbledzoin, I find it necessary before speaking further to inform you just now about this cosmic substance.

"Hanbledzoin is nothing else than the 'blood' of the Kesdjan body of the being; just as the cosmic substances called in totality blood serve for nourishing and renewing the planetary body of the being, so also Hanbledzoin serves in the same way for nourishing and perfecting the body Kesdjan." (p. 568)

"The substances of that part of the being-blood which is designed by Nature for serving the planetary body of the being, arise by means of the transformation of substances of that planet on which the given beings are formed and exist.

"But the substances which are designed for serving the Kesdjan body of the being, and the totality of which is called Hanbledzoin, are obtained from the transformation of elements of other planets and of the sun itself of that system, where the given three-brained being has the place of his arising and existence.

"Finally, that part of the being-blood which almost everywhere is called being-Hanbledzoin, and only on certain planets is called the 'sacred Aiesakhaldan,' and which part serves the highest part of the being called the soul, is formed from the direct emanations of our Most Holy Sun Absolute." (p.569)

It seems to me, and I could be off-the-mark, that G is indicating that that substance from which the potency to "do" comes, is in fact, located within the blood of the physical body itself. Of course, he goes on to indicate methods by which this substance Hanbledzoin can be created. It's interesting to me that this substance, as postulated by Mesmer, is identified as being a magnetic 'fluid' which permeates the bodies of living beings. G seems to agree.

On page 570 of Beelzebub's Tales, G goes on to say that "for a fuller elucidation of our present theme it is now necessary to explain a little about the changed form of the actualization in the common presences of your favorites of the 'second-being'food' automatically taken in by them." It is through this 'second-being-food,' or air, that the Hanbledzoin is nourished and the Kesdjan (or astral) body is coated and perfected.

I wonder, could this be that 'truncated fluid' spoken of? I'm very interested to hear some replies on this perspective.

An interesting excerpt from G's early talks in Views from the Real World:

"To undertake a voluntary aim, and to achieve it, gives magnetism and the ability to "do."

Question: What is magnetism?

Answer: Man has two substances in him, the substance of active elements of the physical body, and the substance made up of the active elements of astral matter. These two form a third substance by mixing. This mixed substance gathers in certain parts of a man and also forms an atmosphere around him, like the atmosphere surrounding a planet. Planetary atmospheres are continually gaining or losing substances because of other planets. Man is surrounded by other men, just as planets are surrounded by other planets. Within certain limits, when two atmospheres meet, and if the atmospheres are "sympathetic," a connection is made between them and lawful results occur. Something flows. The amount of atmosphere remains the same, but the quality changes. Man can control his atmosphere. It is like electricity, having positive and negative parts. One part can be increased and made to flow like a current. Everything has positive and negative electricity. In man, wishes and non-wishes may be positive and negative. Astral material always opposes physical material.

In ancient times priests were able to cure disease by blessing. Some priests had to lay their hands on the sick person. Some could cure at a short distance, some at a great distance. A "priest" was a man who had mixed substances and could cure others. A priest was a magnetizer. Sick persons have not enough mixed substances, not enough magnetism, not enough "life." This "mixed substance" can be seen if it is concentrated. An aura or halo was a real thing and can sometimes be seen at holy places or in churches. Mesmer rediscovered the use of this substance.

To be able to use this substance, you must first acquire it. It is the same with attention. It is gained only through conscious labor and intentional suffering, through doing small things voluntarily. Make some small aim your God, and you will be going toward acquiring magnetism. Like electricity, magnetism can be concentrated and made to flow. In a real group, a real answer could be given to this question." (p. 92-93)

 

[christx11]

I'm just going to throw this out there as another possible interpretation on this 'truncated flow of liquid.' It comes from the chapter 'Hypnotism' in Beelzebub's Tales:

"During the era of the Tikliamishian civilization, when learned beings from the country of Maralpleicie first discovered the possibility of such combinations in their common psyche and tried to put on another at will into that special state, they began to understand its use, and soon found a way of summoning it to the aid of the being-hanbledzoin, that cosmic substance whose essence the three-brained beings of contemporary civilization came close to understanding, and which they named animal magnetism." (p.568, missing paragraph. Found in the 'Guide and Index to All and Everything'; Traditional Studies Press)

"Since for the explanation of the given case and also perhaps for my following explanations, you must know more in detail concerning being-Hanbledzoin, I find it necessary before speaking further to inform you just now about this cosmic substance.

"Hanbledzoin is nothing else than the 'blood' of the Kesdjan body of the being; just as the cosmic substances called in totality blood serve for nourishing and renewing the planetary body of the being, so also Hanbledzoin serves in the same way for nourishing and perfecting the body Kesdjan." (p. 568)

"The substances of that part of the being-blood which is designed by Nature for serving the planetary body of the being, arise by means of the transformation of substances of that planet on which the given beings are formed and exist.

"But the substances which are designed for serving the Kesdjan body of the being, and the totality of which is called Hanbledzoin, are obtained from the transformation of elements of other planets and of the sun itself of that system, where the given three-brained being has the place of his arising and existence.

"Finally, that part of the being-blood which almost everywhere is called being-Hanbledzoin, and only on certain planets is called the 'sacred Aiesakhaldan,' and which part serves the highest part of the being called the soul, is formed from the direct emanations of our Most Holy Sun Absolute." (p.569)

It seems to me, and I could be off-the-mark, that G is indicating that that substance from which the potency to "do" comes, is in fact, located within the blood of the physical body itself. Of course, he goes on to indicate methods by which this substance Hanbledzoin can be created. It's interesting to me that this substance, as postulated by Mesmer, is identified as being a magnetic 'fluid' which permeates the bodies of living beings. G seems to agree.

On page 570 of Beelzebub's Tales, G goes on to say that "for a fuller elucidation of our present theme it is now necessary to explain a little about the changed form of the actualization in the common presences of your favorites of the 'second-being'food' automatically taken in by them." It is through this 'second-being-food,' or air, that the Hanbledzoin is nourished and the Kesdjan (or astral) body is coated and perfected.

I wonder, could this be that 'truncated fluid' spoken of? I'm very interested to hear some replies on this perspective.

An interesting excerpt from G's early talks in Views from the Real World:

"To undertake a voluntary aim, and to achieve it, gives magnetism and the ability to "do."

Question: What is magnetism?

Answer: Man has two substances in him, the substance of active elements of the physical body, and the substance made up of the active elements of astral matter. These two form a third substance by mixing. This mixed substance gathers in certain parts of a man and also forms an atmosphere around him, like the atmosphere surrounding a planet. Planetary atmospheres are continually gaining or losing substances because of other planets. Man is surrounded by other men, just as planets are surrounded by other planets. Within certain limits, when two atmospheres meet, and if the atmospheres are "sympathetic," a connection is made between them and lawful results occur. Something flows. The amount of atmosphere remains the same, but the quality changes. Man can control his atmosphere. It is like electricity, having positive and negative parts. One part can be increased and made to flow like a current. Everything has positive and negative electricity. In man, wishes and non-wishes may be positive and negative. Astral material always opposes physical material.

In ancient times priests were able to cure disease by blessing. Some priests had to lay their hands on the sick person. Some could cure at a short distance, some at a great distance. A "priest" was a man who had mixed substances and could cure others. A priest was a magnetizer. Sick persons have not enough mixed substances, not enough magnetism, not enough "life." This "mixed substance" can be seen if it is concentrated. An aura or halo was a real thing and can sometimes be seen at holy places or in churches. Mesmer rediscovered the use of this substance.

To be able to use this substance, you must first acquire it. It is the same with attention. It is gained only through conscious labor and intentional suffering, through doing small things voluntarily. Make some small aim your God, and you will be going toward acquiring magnetism. Like electricity, magnetism can be concentrated and made to flow. In a real group, a real answer could be given to this question." (p. 92-93)

I always had trouble with much of G's work. I spent a few years really digging into it when I was younger but just became a myna bird of the information without much understanding of its true meaning.

That being said I cannot even say whether the being-hanbledzoin is animal magnetism, whether animal magnetism is a physical magnetism as in ferromagnetic or is more like a concept as in magnetic center of Boris Mouravieff, whether the 'blood of the Kesdjan body' is the 'blood of the astral body', whether 'part of the being-blood' is 'being-Hanbledzoin', whether any of this is the same thing as what Mesmer was talking about as you seem to understand it or if Mesmer was speaking about something else and it was just that many pieces seemed to overlap of two separate things.

I dunno.

In regards to 'truncated flow of liquid', from the sessions, I think it helps to read the surrounding content so as not to miss additional information that was given.

[quote author=Session Sep 23, 2000]
Q: What does the rest of the DNA code for that is not coding for structural genes. What else can it be doing?
A: Truncated flow.
Q: Truncated flow of what?
A: Liquids.
Q: Liquids from where to where?
A: What is your sense?
Q: Well, what liquids?
A: Time for your input.
Q: Do some of these...
A: No. Not alright: we asked you a question!
Q: Okay. Truncated flow of liquids. I'm not even sure what that means. (A) Maybe something was flowing and something cut it off and stopped it and it cannot be developed. It means that something was cut. (L) Does truncated flow mean a flow of liquid that has been stopped?
A: Yes. Because of design alteration!
Q: Is this liquid that has been truncated a chemical transmitter?
A: Yes.
Q: And would this chemical transmitter, if it were allowed to flow, cause significant alterations in other segments of the DNA?
A: Yes.
Q: So, there is a segment of code that is in there, that is deliberately inserted, to truncate this flow of liquid, which is a chemical transmitter, or neuropeptide, which would unlock significant portions of our DNA?
A: Close Biogenetic engineering.
Q: I assume that this was truncated by the Lizzies and cohorts?
A: Close, but more likely Orion STS designers.
Q: Okay, can you tell us what this specific liquid or transmitter was truncated?
A: Think of the most efficient conductor of chemical compounds for low wave frequency charge.
Q: (A) Well, gold is one... (L) Acetylcholine?
A: No.
Q: (L) Water?
A: No.
Q: Saline?
A: Closer. It is a naturally bonding combination.
Q: (L) Well, I'll have to research it. The fact is, we've got 3 billion base pairs... do some of these so-called segments of "junk DNA," if they were activated, would they instruct chromosomal replication to take place with more than 23 pairs as a result?
A: In part.
Q: Is there anything we can do in terms of activities or...
A: No. Biogenetic engineering.
[/quote]

It seems to me that the session is talking about a physical naturally occurring compound here on earth.

The C's even say close to 'Sodium Chloride' (Saline).

The biggest clue I think they provide in this session is:

Think of the most efficient conductor of chemical compounds for low wave frequency charge.

At one point I thought perhaps that 'low wave frequency charge' may be sound. I am not sure, but with all that has arisen recently over the last year or so in regards to FAR infrared I am thinking it may be FAR infrared.  FAR infrared is indeed 'low wave frequency' as opposed to high frequency electromagnetic wave (ultraviolet, xray, gammaray). Not only is FAR infrared used in chlorophyll/photosynthesis, but we as warm blooded animals use FAR infrared apparently within the little power centers of each and every cell (mitochondria). So maybe this naturally bonding combination (compound) is a very efficient thermal conductor. And probably not just a thermal (infrared) conductor, but maybe a good conductor of FAR infrared, which would facilitate the mitochondrial work of all kinds, cellular growth and repair, transcription of proteins, antibodies, removal of toxins.

Anyway, I am not sure but the best thermal conductors elementally seem to be carbon (diamond), silver, gold, copper, aluminum, magnesium. As far as FAR infrared conductors I am not sure and it being a compound it may be an oxide or probably a salt of one of these. I know silver chloride is used as an infrared conductor (as a lens) in IR detection devices and silver chloride does indeed get blocked in us. It also might be magnesium chloride as I think it also has bands in the infrared and FAR infrared at which it is basically transparent ( passes the wavelengths through - conducts ).

So I am not sure, but the session itself seems to be talking about an actual chemical compound and that we are bio-genetically altered so that compound no longer flows freely. And if FAR infrared is indeed the light of life within us cellularly/mitochondrially, then some compound that is a conductor of FAR infrared would possibly make sense.

 

[Nightmajic]

[quote author=Xman]I always had trouble with much of G's work. I spent a few years really digging into it when I was younger but just became a myna bird of the information without much understanding of its true meaning.

That being said I cannot even say whether the being-hanbledzoin is animal magnetism, whether animal magnetism is a physical magnetism as in ferromagnetic or is more like a concept as in magnetic center of Boris Mouravieff, whether the 'blood of the Kesdjan body' is the 'blood of the astral body', whether 'part of the being-blood' is 'being-Hanbledzoin', whether any of this is the same thing as what Mesmer was talking about as you seem to understand it or if Mesmer was speaking about something else and it was just that many pieces seemed to overlap of two separate things.

I dunno.[/quote]

Well, neither do I! But I do find value in the struggle to understand just what was left us in the work of Beelzebub's Tales. I can't say I understand the "true meaning" of the information, but I do certainly have the experience of a 'substance' in the body which is strengthened by Work. I'm getting the sense this is not really a forum focused on a discussion of those experiences or the theories surrounding them -- which is fine. I'm in the midst of 'groking' as we speak the real focus of this forum (having, yes, read the guidelines).

Just what did G mean by 'implantation of the organ Kundabuffer'? Just what did the Cs mean by 'biogenetic engineering'?

In regards to 'truncated flow of liquid', from the sessions, I think it helps to read the surrounding content so as not to miss additional information that was given.

[quote author=Session Sep 23, 2000]
Q: What does the rest of the DNA code for that is not coding for structural genes. What else can it be doing?
A: Truncated flow.
Q: Truncated flow of what?
A: Liquids.
Q: Liquids from where to where?
A: What is your sense?
Q: Well, what liquids?
A: Time for your input.
Q: Do some of these...
A: No. Not alright: we asked you a question!
Q: Okay. Truncated flow of liquids. I'm not even sure what that means. (A) Maybe something was flowing and something cut it off and stopped it and it cannot be developed. It means that something was cut. (L) Does truncated flow mean a flow of liquid that has been stopped?
A: Yes. Because of design alteration!
Q: Is this liquid that has been truncated a chemical transmitter?
A: Yes.
Q: And would this chemical transmitter, if it were allowed to flow, cause significant alterations in other segments of the DNA?
A: Yes.
Q: So, there is a segment of code that is in there, that is deliberately inserted, to truncate this flow of liquid, which is a chemical transmitter, or neuropeptide, which would unlock significant portions of our DNA?
A: Close Biogenetic engineering.
Q: I assume that this was truncated by the Lizzies and cohorts?
A: Close, but more likely Orion STS designers.
Q: Okay, can you tell us what this specific liquid or transmitter was truncated?
A: Think of the most efficient conductor of chemical compounds for low wave frequency charge.
Q: (A) Well, gold is one... (L) Acetylcholine?
A: No.
Q: (L) Water?
A: No.
Q: Saline?
A: Closer. It is a naturally bonding combination.
Q: (L) Well, I'll have to research it. The fact is, we've got 3 billion base pairs... do some of these so-called segments of "junk DNA," if they were activated, would they instruct chromosomal replication to take place with more than 23 pairs as a result?
A: In part.
Q: Is there anything we can do in terms of activities or...
A: No. Biogenetic engineering.

It seems to me that the session is talking about a physical naturally occurring compound here on earth.

The C's even say close to 'Sodium Chloride' (Saline).

The biggest clue I think they provide in this session is:

Think of the most efficient conductor of chemical compounds for low wave frequency charge.

At one point I thought perhaps that 'low wave frequency charge' may be sound. I am not sure, but with all that has arisen recently over the last year or so in regards to FAR infrared I am thinking it may be FAR infrared. FAR infrared is indeed 'low wave frequency' as opposed to high frequency electromagnetic wave (ultraviolet, xray, gammaray). Not only is FAR infrared used in chlorophyll/photosynthesis, but we as warm blooded animals use FAR infrared apparently within the little power centers of each and every cell (mitochondria). So maybe this naturally bonding combination (compound) is a very efficient thermal conductor. And probably not just a thermal (infrared) conductor, but maybe a good conductor of FAR infrared, which would facilitate the mitochondrial work of all kinds, cellular growth and repair, transcription of proteins, antibodies, removal of toxins.[/quote]

Very interesting! I'm learning about FIR now. If you have any specific pages you have found to be excellent resources, please let me know.

Anyway, I am not sure but the best thermal conductors elementally seem to be carbon (diamond), silver, gold, copper, aluminum, magnesium. As far as FAR infrared conductors I am not sure and it being a compound it may be an oxide or probably a salt of one of these. I know silver chloride is used as an infrared conductor (as a lens) in IR detection devices and silver chloride does indeed get blocked in us. It also might be magnesium chloride as I think it also has bands in the infrared and FAR infrared at which it is basically transparent ( passes the wavelengths through - conducts ).

So I am not sure, but the session itself seems to be talking about an actual chemical compound and that we are bio-genetically altered so that compound no longer flows freely. And if FAR infrared is indeed the light of life within us cellularly/mitochondrially, then some compound that is a conductor of FAR infrared would possibly make sense.

Wow ... there's a lot here to ponder. Thanks for the reply, Xman.

 

[Beau]

Just what did G mean by 'implantation of the organ Kundabuffer'? Just what did the Cs mean by 'biogenetic engineering'?

You may want to spend a little time reading up on the forum or searching for various topics that interest you. A lot of stuff has been discussed already, and kundabuffer has been discussed both on the forum and in the various articles on cass.org.

Referring to the above question, I would say that they are both intertwined and they are meant to describe man's "fall" into 3D. Another way to understand it is to compare Gurdjieff's kundabuffer to Don Juan's Predator' Mind, both foreign installations designed to keep man trapped in sleep and illusions. The C's remark about biogenetic engineering clarifies how this was done.

I'll paste below one excerpt I found by using the forum search engine. It is your friend. ;)

Gurdjieff's 'organ kundabuffer' approaches the theme from another angle. There, the organ is forcibly installed into man in order to generally anesthetize him against reality and see the insignificant as great and the great as insignificant. This event too is depicted as taking place at the very beginning of man's existence on Earth, in response to a cataclysmic situation. Again, we have radical shift of perception and cataclysm together.'

In Beelzebub's Tales we have the constant theme of vibrations being required of the Earth. When man would not produce the right quality consciously, nature shifted the circumstance to cater for accidental shocks which would provide the required amount of flashes of awareness, or 'higher hydrogens.' The predator feeds man problems and crises upon crisis. {Castaneda] 'Planetary influences arrange for wars and catastrophies simply to obtain required vibrations' [Gurdjieff] Man may also play his role consciously, at least in theory, and thus be free from these arbitrary influences and serve the universe in another manner, suggests Gurdjieff.

Man is born sane and spoiled by contemporary education, inculcated with the 'values' of ego, hypocrisy, self-calming, empty wiseacrings, vanity and self-love. [Gurdjieff] When man reaches adult age, only the fringe of the glowing coat of awareness is left, barely covering the toes. This fringe is the center of self-reflection, the only awareness left to man. [Castaneda]

 

[PepperFritz]

I do certainly have the experience of a 'substance' in the body which is strengthened by Work.

What "substance" are you referring to, and how do you believe it is "strengthened by Work"?

I'm getting the sense this is not really a forum focused on a discussion of those experiences or the theories surrounding them....

Can't comment on whether this is "a forum focused on a discussion of those experiences or the theories surrounding them" until you specify exactly what kind of experiences and theories you are referring to. Intentionally vague and cryptic comments are not very conducive to clear communication.

 

[Nightmajic]

Thanks, Pinkerton ... I'll make its use a priority.

Pepperfritz~ I'll give you an example ... upon waking up in bed this morning I had the experience of a flood of negativity rushing into the body. Worries about the day, fears and inner considerings about certain encounters I was bound to have, and in short, everything which made me feel like going back to sleep was the 'best case scenario.' Still, the wish to be responsible, and to be of service was active in me; I was aware of its presence. At times in the past, this just wasn't enough to move the body, the shake the negativity. I would have gone back to sleep (literaly and spiritualy) only to awaken some time later when the responsibilities of my day were no longer avoidable. With effort, however, beginning with intentional preparing the night before to 'meet' myself upon awakening, the so-called 'resistance' of the body is greatly reduced, and my wish to be is able to become the active force, instead of being passive to the fear. As my Work continues (with the practice of self-remembering ( intentional 'meetings') and self-observation at the expense of daydreams and fantasies of my self-image, work with sensation, etc.), the resistances I had previously experienced as residing in the body become less a factor as I strengthen my connection to wish and aim. I say 'substance' because in those moments of pushing against the latency, I have the very real experience of a 'fluid' or some type of material moving in the respective limbs and actually mobilizing my body, not in the way which my body usually moves, that is, of it's own accord (or according to some force outside itself), but from within. It has been my experience that the presence of this substance increases according to my sincerity of aim and purpose, and with sensation of my body.

 

[anart]

Thanks, Pinkerton ... I'll make its use a priority.

That would be great.

Pepperfritz~ I'll give you an example ... upon waking up in bed this morning I had the experience of a flood of negativity rushing into the body. Worries about the day, fears and inner considerings about certain encounters I was bound to have, and in short, everything which made me feel like going back to sleep was the 'best case scenario.' Still, the wish to be responsible, and to be of service was active in me; I was aware of its presence. At times in the past, this just wasn't enough to move the body, the shake the negativity. I would have gone back to sleep (literaly and spiritualy) only to awaken some time later when the responsibilities of my day were no longer avoidable. With effort, however, beginning with intentional preparing the night before to 'meet' myself upon awakening, the so-called 'resistance' of the body is greatly reduced, and my wish to be is able to become the active force, instead of being passive to the fear. As my Work continues (with the practice of self-remembering ( intentional 'meetings') and self-observation at the expense of daydreams and fantasies of my self-image, work with sensation, etc.), the resistances I had previously experienced as residing in the body become less a factor as I strengthen my connection to wish and aim.

At this point, you are describing 'remembering yourself' and being conscious, as opposed to being 'acted upon'.  You are speaking of developing an ability to recognize that there is more than one part of you, and choosing with which part you will align.  This is discussed - in depth - on this forum.  I really would like to ask you, again, to please read more and post less.  No offense is intended by that, it is just that as you go full steam ahead posting whatever it is that crosses your mind, you are using the energy and attention of others, thus taking instead of contributing, since these things have been discussed already.

I say 'substance' because in those moments of pushing against the latency, I have the very real experience of a 'fluid' or some time of material moving in the respective limbs and actually moving my body, not in the way which my body usually moves, that is, of it's own accord (or according to some force outside itself).

And here is where you move off into the subjective; likely due to your apparent identification with what we refer to as 'being speshul' - with 'magic' and some mystical force - when the objective fact of the matter is that it is merely the NORMAL function of man.  Humanity lives in an abnormal state, and as we begin to awaken, we begin to access our natural state - it is not something separate from us or from another world acting 'of its own accord' - it is the natural, conscious function of a normal human being.  It is awakening and it is Work.  

From what you've posted thus far, you seem quite identified with all that is 'magic' and sparkly and shiny and all that might make you 'special' -  'special' knowledge, 'special' abilities, 'special' experiences - when all of this is distraction. 

Glad to hear you will be making a priority of using the search function - there is an enormous amount of material here, so please take the time necessary to read it.

 

[Beau]

Nightmajic, I think you'd do well to stop thinking you are doing anything other than fooling yourself about this supposed substance, as well as writing about it as though it were anything besides self-deception intended to prop up your self-importance.

 

[Nightmajic]

anart/pinkerton~ I simply disagree with you. What you call distraction, I call a question. You see reality through filters just like the rest of us, and as such, will always see in my posts what seems to validate your prejudice and internal representations of reality. It is not my intent to distract your energy but if you are, for some reason, finding yourself distracted, then I will simply refrain from posting until I have managed to conform myself to your requirements for participation. My only suggestion would be to go back over the very few posts I have made leaving your own subjectivity and distrust aside to see that perhaps, I too am striving to come from a sincere place, which is my own experience.

Again, sorry to have been a distraction, I will go and read the Wave and see you all again in the near future.

 

[anart]

anart/pinkerton~ I simply disagree with you. What you call distraction, I call a question.

Can you not see that you have turned your 'question' into an obsession?  You are identified with it - you are it, for all intents and purposes.  Your defense of it in this post speaks volumes.

You see reality through filters just like the rest of us, and as such, will always see in my posts what seems to validate your prejudice and internal representations of reality.

Unfortunately, you are mistaken.  The contents of your posts are very, very clear.  It has absolutely nothing to do with 'prejudice' or 'internal representations of reality' - it has to do with reading your words.  You cannot See yourself, nightmajic (this is not at all unusual, by the way!).

It is not my intent to distract your energy but if you are, for some reason, finding yourself distracted, then I will simply refrain from posting until I have managed to conform myself to your requirements for participation.

You have missed the point.  It is a matter of external consideration.  You are familiar with external consideration, being a student of Gurdjieff, are you not?

My only suggestion would be to go back over the very few posts I have made leaving your own subjectivity and distrust aside to see that perhaps, I too am striving to come from a sincere place, which is my own experience.

Again, it is your identification that reads any of this as 'distrust' - you have mentioned 'magic', in one form or another, in almost every single post you have written.  You have written as if you have 'special knowledge' and experience 'special things' - and when you have that pointed out to you, you get defensive - this could not be more clear.  You cannot see yourself objectively, thus you accuse others of subjectivity.

Again, sorry to have been a distraction, I will go and read the Wave and see you all again in the near future.

I don't think you have been a distraction.  I think you came here expecting to 'impress' and expecting what you did not find and it has frustrated you a bit.  Instead of sincerely considering that the truth has been presented to you in a very small mirror, you turn and accuse those attempting to help you of subjectivity and distrust.  No offense has been intended at all, it is just that you jumped into the deep end and are being held accountable for what you write.

Perhaps at some point you will be more willing to consider that you do not see yourself at all.  Perhaps not.  It is, of course, up to you and there is objectively nothing wrong with you deciding this forum is 'not for you'.