Apocalypse Not

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Apocalypse Not

The enemy is not al-Qaeda but our exaggerated fears and overblown reactions to terrorism, say a growing number of observers

Ian Macleod
The Ottawa Citizen

Saturday, May 19, 2007


Our overblown reaction to the threat of terrorism is a bigger threat to our safety than terrorism itself, argues John Mueller, author of a new book about the war on terror.

Which is the greater threat: another major Islamist terrorist attack on North American soil or our reaction against it? In the absence of a single strike on the continent since Sept. 11, 2001, what was considered a harbinger of an existential threat has, statistically speaking, turned out to be an aberration, a dreadful anomaly.

If it is so easy to pull off, if al-Qaeda and like-minded terrorists are so omnicompetent, why hasn't there been another attack? Why don't they open fire in shopping centres, poison food and water, cut electrical lines, blow up trains and oil pipelines and inflict more misery?

Where is the apocalyptic peril that has obsessed us and drained government treasuries for more than five years now?

A U.S. book, Overblown: How Politicians and the Terrorism Industry Inflate National Security Threats, and Why We Believe Them, asks us to consider this: Maybe there are no Islamic terrorists, or at least competent ones, lurking in our midst.

Given the flow of illegal immigrants, narcotics and contraband into the United States, foreign terrorists can't be trying very hard to filter past border security. Or, perhaps, they are just far less dedicated, diabolical and competent than we have been led to believe, argues Overblown author John Mueller.

Even if that's wrong, even if there is another significant foreign terrorist assault, chances are infinitesimally tiny of an average North American becoming a victim.

Yet we're spending billions of tax dollars -- trillions counting the U.S. war in Iraq -- to prevent a threat that, even counting the 3,000 victims of 9/11, claims far fewer North American lives than car accidents, smoking, lightning, allergic reactions and bathtub drownings.

Canadian, U.S. and European soldiers and countless civilians, meanwhile, are dying in Afghanistan and Iraq. Law-abiding Muslims are viewed with suspicion. Domestic U.S. wiretapping runs rampant and Mahar Arar and others are imprisoned without a shred of due legal process.

No, the enemy is not al-Qaeda, says Mr. Mueller and a small but growing band of other commentators.

It is our inability to control our exaggerated fears about homeland terrorism and our overblown reactions, manifest in the quixotic and costly pursuit of governments to target-harden our way of life by outlawing carry-on tubes of toothpaste and demanding 80-year-old grandmothers have their orthopedic shoes X-rayed before boarding airplanes.

"Ultimately, the enemy, in fact, is us," says Mr. Mueller, who holds the Woody Hayes Chair of National Security Studies at Ohio State University.

If we really want to deflate terrorism's impact, we need to get a grip -- on ourselves. Terrorism is more a state of mind and we can defeat it, "simply by not becoming terrified and by resisting the temptation to overreact."

He concedes some efforts to deal with terrorism are justified, especially nuclear terrorism.

"But alarm, hysteria and panic are not. Nor is massive extrapolation, obsession with worst-case scenarios, or policy overreaction. It certainly doesn't say that, therefore, because we're scared about terrorism you have to go out and start a catastrophic war in Iraq and lose far more Americans than in 9/11 and spend $1 trillion to $2 trillion on it."

The real scourge is a "terrorism industry" -- opportunistic politicians, butt-covering bureaucrats, over-eager law enforcement, risk entrepreneurs and a yammering mass media -- that stokes public fear by engaging in expensive "terrorist-encouraging overreaction" rather than facing up to the statistical reality.

Mr. Mueller says the attitude among some bureaucrats to protect themselves from criticism in the event of another attack has proven to be little more than fear-mongering. That, he says, was never more clear than in 2003 when former Federal Bureau of Investigation director Robert Mueller testified before a congressional intelligence committee.

"The greatest threat is from al-Qaeda cells in the U.S. that we have not yet identified," he told the panel.

Two years later, with still no attacks on the U.S., he told the same committee: "I remain very concerned about what we are not seeing."

Canada, too, the author said in an interview this week, has fallen into the "doom boom" trap, especially since al-Qaeda placed Canada on its hit list.

But Bahrain has been placed on the list, so, too, have Japan, Italy and Britain.

"And people say, 'Ah, see they said Britain and now Britain has been hit,'" with the London transit bombings. "But what about all the countries that didn't get hit? It just seems there's an awful lot of huffing and puffing going on out there."

(Terror attacks in Europe, notably the London bombings and the 2004 Madrid train bombings, were "pretty limited," he says.)

The propensity for overextrapolation and overreaction has been a feature of U.S. foreign policy for decades, says Mr. Mueller.

From the U.S. response to the attack on Pearl Harbor, the "Red Scare" of domestic communism in the 1950s, the Cold War, the Soviet Union's launch of Sputnik, Castro's Cuba to Vietnam, it all has led to "unwise, costly, unnecessary and sometimes massively counter-productive," policies.

And now, we're at it yet again. "Perhaps now more than ever."

The book, not surprisingly, is under attack from terrorism experts and policy analysts for its "false logic" and comforting message to those already skeptical about politics, government and counter-terrorism strategy.

"There has been exaggeration, but that's not the same as saying there isn't a threat," says Martin Collacott, a senior fellow at The Fraser Institute, former Canadian ambassador to the Middle East and past director-general for security services at the Department of Foreign Affairs.

Imagine the fallout, he says, from even a small radioactive "dirty bomb" going off in Manhattan.

Combine that scenario with all the other potential human, economic and political consequences of a successful strike, even a non-catastrophic one, and "there is reason to be fairly concerned and take serious measures."

Frank Harvey, a professor of political science at Dalhousie University and fellow of the Canadian Defence & Foreign Affairs Institute, agrees with Mr. Mueller that, statistically speaking, the threat has been overblown.

But that argument is not particularly relevant, he says. It is the nature of the terrorist threat, the possibility of being randomly and violently struck down by an unseen and seemingly uncontrollable malevolent force, that determines public reaction and, in turn, government response.

In other words, our imagination is also an adversary.

The U.S. 9/11 Commission blamed a "failure of imagination" for U.S. officials not preventing the attacks on New York and Washington. But the response to that criticism has spawned an "imagination of failure," says Mr. Harvey.

"When the most powerful nation on Earth is tasked with a policy directive to routinize, bureaucratize and institutionalize the exercise of 'imagination' ... no one should be surprised by how overwhelming and expensive the task has become," he concludes in a 2006 research paper, The Homeland Security Dilemma: The Imagination of Failure and the Escalating Costs of Perfecting Security. (The thesis has since been expanded and updated into an upcoming book.)

Officials, he says, have answered the call by imagining thousands of different threats, "and just as many ways to spend money to fill in the holes. And politicians have become very adept at 'imagining' the political fallout if they fail to prevent an attack they were warned about."

But as Washington spent billions securing the nation since 9/11, public confidence, trust and satisfaction levels have steadily declined, according to dozens of polls analysed by Mr. Harvey.

Canadians are less fearful of an attack here. But when 18 Toronto-area men were arrested by the RCMP last summer on suspicion of plotting a terror attack here, the public fear level skyrocketed, surpassing even the Americans'.

Counter-intuitive as it seems, counter-terrorism successes produce the same outcome.

The paradox of the "homeland security dilemma" is that the more governments spend on security, the more insecure the public feels and the more security it demands.

That zero-tolerance for failure means, "politicians are trying so hard to prevent even small attacks because those small failures will have a major impact on public perceptions."

Overblown misses another crucial point, Mr. Harvey said in an interview. The statistical absence of homeland attacks is not particularly relevant when it comes to counter-terrorism policy-making.

Like fear of flying and nuclear power, public reaction about homeland terrorism is driven by the nature of the danger, not how often it occurs. Confidence is directly related to perceptions of controllability.

"It doesn't matter how often you go on national TV and point that statistic out. It won't change the general level of the threat because terrorism is kind of unfamiliar and uncontrollable. It's the nature of the threat that determine public reaction to it."

If it was just about statistics, he says a lot people wouldn't gamble, eat fast food, smoke, drink or drive without seatbelts. "Statistically, we shouldn't be doing that, but we do."

The irony of Mr. Mueller's position, he notes, is that alarmism and the resulting billions spent on security has probably prevented additional attacks. That, in turn, has created the argument that because nothing has happened, we have nothing to worry about.

Mr. Mueller believes a key element of government anti-terrorism policy must include efforts to reduce public fear. But that is precisely the dilemma, says Mr. Harvey. How does government do that without generating even more fear or, in the case of politicians, committing political suicide by being seen as soft on terrorism?

"Security policies will inevitably prioritize the public's emotional, not statistical, reaction to terrorist threats," he explains in his paper. "Officials are politically motivated, for better or worse, to spend billions of dollars to protect citizens from exaggerated risks and threats, and are much less inclined to invest similar amounts to reduce highly probable risks to public safety that are seriously underestimated."

And if close to 75 per cent of the public believes terrorists will attack again, political leaders will be very reluctant to downplay the threat or openly question public perceptions, for two straightforward and perfectly rational reasons, he writes.

"First, it is so much easier to accept and then exploit the public's fears than it is to invest the time and resources to control those perceptions. Second, if any attack does occur -- no matter how unlikely or how small -- the political costs will be significant for those who downplayed the threat or called for a more balanced view of the facts and the risks."

Still, why hasn't there been another attack?

"We simply don't know," says Wesley Wark, professor of political science at the University of Toronto and one of Canada's leading experts on terrorism and security intelligence.

Some plots have been foiled. Heightened security may have deterred others. It may be that al-Qaeda organizations are biding their time.

The strongest argument, he says, is the Iraq and Afghanistan wars have become the fundamental core for the terror campaign against the West. "That's where the action is. Why engage in distractions at the moment?"

What is clear is, "all the evidence suggests the shocking conclusion that al-Qaeda is stronger in many respects than we ever imagined it would be at this point in time.

"The problem we face is that the future is unpredictable and we can't afford to be complacent. Our best point of reference to understanding the nature of the terrorist threat remains an event in recent history."

Ian MacLeod is editor and senior writer for national security and terrorism issues
© The Ottawa Citizen 2007
 
A U.S. book, Overblown: How Politicians and the Terrorism Industry Inflate National Security Threats, and Why We Believe Them, asks us to consider this: Maybe there are no Islamic terrorists, or at least competent ones, lurking in our midst.
Well, he's half right, there are no islamic terrorists, we know their its just Intel Guys, or their patsies. Major attacks are planned and executed with the help of those said Intel agencies. These attacks clearly benefit the military established as it allows escalation of the conflict and thus more public money is shifted into weapons manufacturers hands. It's a 400 Billion Dollar a year Industry.

Yet we're spending billions of tax dollars -- trillions counting the U.S. war in Iraq -- to prevent a threat that, even counting the 3,000 victims of 9/11, claims far fewer North American lives than car accidents, smoking, lightning, allergic reactions and bathtub drownings.
Good point.

"Ultimately, the enemy, in fact, is us," says Mr. Mueller, who holds the Woody Hayes Chair of National Security Studies at Ohio State University.
Ohhh, so close, only if he knew about psychopaths.

The problem we face is that the future is unpredictable and we can't afford to be complacent. Our best point of reference to understanding the nature of the terrorist threat remains an event in recent history."
Kinda sorta, he lacks ponerology, and that's basically The Problem.
 
Hi

It isn't just psychopaths, remember the matrix, all those people still plugged in who will fight to protect their prisons? Same goes here, even normal people are prone to the same or similar issues, whether by ponerization proper, or simple hysterization from considering a complex idea from a simple outlook, that is, every molehill looks like a mountain to an ant.

Perhaps the situation is more indicative that people are waking up to how fragile their existance is, and how unimportant they are in the grand scheme of things and it scares the hell out of them. We see that all the time, for instance in the question where did the plane go if it didn't crash into the pentagon?

The obivous answer is that if the government was involved, then why would they have an issue with taking a plane, killing the passengers, and stripping it down for parts? The answer to the question is too difficult to accept for the average person. Why? Because he feels it devalues his own life to admit that it is that easy for someone to kill innocent people, a group which he of course imagines himself belonging, yet in the true style of double think, he cannot escape the realization that there are those who can kill innocent people without conscience, how does he solve this problem? He must, in order to maintain his sanity, repress the truth and redirect his emotional upheaval at a fantasy. If he doesn't he will simply become hysterical and will be unable to function.

9/11, terrorists, and the national security state are prime examples of doublethink, cognitive dissonance.

Let's take as an example Frankenstein, Frankenstein is afraid of death, so he develops a way to overcome the death in others, not himself, as a way of dealing with his fear, in the end, he creates a monster who inevitably causes his death.

After creating the monster, Frankenstein believes he has conquered death, he has become god, or more importantly, he feels he has become immortal, which is what is really important to him. However he doesn't stop to think that only he can perform this procedure, so if he were to die, no one could revive him, he has really accomplished nothing, but through the magic of cognitive dissonance, he is able to fear death and think himself immortal at the same time.

People are afraid of their own insignificance, their own frailty and vulnerability, they are afraid of death, as we know this is a most powerful motivator, so it is exploited by the government and we are faced with an incomprehensible form of random death, terrorism, it could be anyone anytime. To eradicate this fear, we create the security state and empower it to stop terrorism, or random death.

The same with the WHO, CDC etc and so forth, everyone is terrified of random disease, random violence, random terrorism, and our solution is always the same, fix a non-relevant problem to which we feel our fear is somehow related, or that we are told is related, when it is not. Ultimately however, the fault lies not with psychopaths, but with us. We are Frankenstein, and we are creating a monster and unless we start taking response ability for our nightmarish creations, we will constantly be a victim of them. Psychopaths are not some alien problem, ponerization is not some alien problem, they are our problems, we have created them, or allowed them to be created or exacerbated through ignorance, but as they say, ignorance is no excuse.
 
Well put, Atreides. The Frankenstein anology was an apt description of what goes through our minds when we are unable to accept the truth of why this world is so messed up.

Of all the QFG books I have recently ordered, read, and done my feeble (at this point) best to disseminate, Political Ponerology is by far the most important in terms of understanding the here and now. Fear is definitely a mind killer...and those who have sought to control things for aeons know this. Recognizing psychopaths and their methodology takes away much of that fear, but convincing others to read the book or contemplate the precepts within is difficult. Denial goes hand in hand with fear. It's a defense mechanism that always leads to more ignorance and suffering.

If anyone on this forum has had some success explaining the nature of psychopaths, ponerology, and getting others (not of this forum) to read the aforementioned book, I'd appreciate hearing from them. Here in the USA, my family, friends, and aquaintances still 'believe' that ridding the country of Bush through an election of a Democrat POTUS will solve just about everything. Talk about denial. It's so much bigger than that.
 
atreides said:
It isn't just psychopaths, remember the matrix, all those people still plugged in who will fight to protect their prisons? Same goes here, even normal people are prone to the same or similar issues, whether by ponerization proper, or simple hysterization from considering a complex idea from a simple outlook, that is, every molehill looks like a mountain to an ant.
I dunno, I think that if people en masse knew about psychopathy they'd 'wake up' a whole lot easier. I don't think people fight to protect their imprisonment, i think their ignorance of reality offers them no other choice. Though perhaps, it's just semantics.
 
Cyre2067 said:
atreides said:
It isn't just psychopaths, remember the matrix, all those people still plugged in who will fight to protect their prisons? Same goes here, even normal people are prone to the same or similar issues, whether by ponerization proper, or simple hysterization from considering a complex idea from a simple outlook, that is, every molehill looks like a mountain to an ant.
I dunno, I think that if people en masse knew about psychopathy they'd 'wake up' a whole lot easier. I don't think people fight to protect their imprisonment, i think their ignorance of reality offers them no other choice. Though perhaps, it's just semantics.
And narcissism, with the USA being the most narcissistic at this point. Millions (maybe billions) of people hate the idea of being wrong, and it's ironic too because mistakes are a natural part of learning. So in effect someone thinking they can't be wrong is the same as them saying that they don't want to learn anything, and at the same time it's them saying they're smart when in reality they're dumb as a rock. The dumbing down of a nation! And YCYOR! Whew!
 
Cyre2067 said:
I dunno, I think that if people en masse knew about psychopathy they'd 'wake up' a whole lot easier. I don't think people fight to protect their imprisonment, i think their ignorance of reality offers them no other choice. Though perhaps, it's just semantics.
Well, never say never, but what if people like it the way it is?

Now I love ice cream, vanilla in particular. Especially Bryer's Natural Vanilla, I don't know if it's still around in the states, but nothing in France compares to it. The french are simply incapable of making remotely decent ice cream, save for a few artisans, but most of them are immigrants. Now inside of ice cream, most ice creams, there is something that is very bad for me, gluten. I don't know why they need to put it in, but they do.

Now, I have a particular disease that makes it actually somewhat dangerous to eat gluten, and painful. But I love ice cream. Now if I didn't have the support of friends and family and CONSTANT access to the information regarding gluten. I would gladly eat vanilla ice cream till I died. Now there is a little more involved in my choice not to eat vanilla ice cream, but not much, and a large part of me would be happy as a pig in shit with death by vanilla.

Everytime I go to the grocery store, I make a choice not to buy some ice cream, luckily I live in france, so it's not so difficult, but if I lived in america, I would be at publix every day getting ice cream, and then I'd stop by dunkin donuts or 7-11 and get some real coffee, not this sewage crap they serve in el francia.

In the end, environments are as much a reflection of people as people are a reflection of their environments.

So, people love their prisons, what's more, the oppressed love their oppressors, and can't wait to follow in their example. People will wake up when they are good and ready too, the only thing you can do is keep the door open for them, you can't force them to walk through my friend, you can't and you shouldn't try.
 
Cyre2067 said:
I dunno, I think that if people en masse knew about psychopathy they'd 'wake up' a whole lot easier. I don't think people fight to protect their imprisonment, i think their ignorance of reality offers them no other choice. Though perhaps, it's just semantics.
Their ignorance is due to their unwillingness to face reality. It's wishful thinking. Most people are unconscious automatons and have no interest whatsoever in waking up. In fact (as Gurdjieff said) contemporary culture needs automatons and the automatons need the culture to think for them and tell them what to do. By design (divide and conquer) the family unit is dissolving so the kids will depend on the state and the state will be their father and mother. Many parents don't really care about their kids. Basically their kids are pets. All they want is a comfortable retirement so they can check out in peace, in the way they always dreamed. They leave a future hell hole to their children and they simply don't care. Everything is a lie.

Actually the people/automatons have the least stress since they are so well adapted to the Great Machine. As Gurdjieff said, they become proud of their slavery, a willing slave, and this is the worst thing that can happen. Of those few that actually ask questions there is a chance but even these few often fall prey to wishful thinking. Those who choose to wake up must constantly fight to be aware. Those who want to be unaware will fight to stay unaware. However, there is no predicting what the overall results will be with an increase in awareness among those who are willing to struggle to wake up to the true nature of reality.
 
From what I've been seeing, the dumbing down process started decades ago is coming into fruition. And this is one of the big problems with people waking up, osit. The wonderful articles written by Laura, Joe, Henry and all the others are absolutely incredible with the information they contain. And I think about making copies of them and putting them in libraries, book stores, etc. (Laura's last article was 39 pages! Whew!) And then I realize that there are maybe a handful of people that have the attention span to read anything longer than a couple of paragraphs at most.

And then there is the problem of people not being able to comprehend what they are reading. If you can't comprehend what you read, there is no interest in reading. So even though I put copies of some of these article out there, the chances of anyone even wanting to read them are very small. But I do it just in case just one person may start to wake up and want to learn more.

There is also the distraction tactics that are in full swing and doing well. First you have all of the media distraction. Whether it be TV, radio, sports, video games, whatever to keep people focused on anything other than what is really going on in the world. The other distraction tactic is the way that the U.S. is making it so difficult to live that that's all you can think about. You are so busy working trying to make enough money to buy food, clothes and gas to get to and from work that there is no time for anything else. And on top of it, you are constantly worrying if you are going to have enough money to get through the week.

I know that this has been an issue for a while, but it is getting worse. It's as if the pathocracy are really turning up the heat. And more and more people are having to deal with these issues.

Just two more items to keep the people asleep.
 
kenlee said:
Cyre2067 said:
I dunno, I think that if people en masse knew about psychopathy they'd 'wake up' a whole lot easier. I don't think people fight to protect their imprisonment, i think their ignorance of reality offers them no other choice. Though perhaps, it's just semantics.
Their ignorance is due to their unwillingness to face reality. It's wishful thinking. Most people are unconscious automatons and have no interest whatsoever in waking up. In fact (as Gurdjieff said) contemporary culture needs automatons and the automatons need the culture to think for them and tell them what to do. By design (divide and conquer) the family unit is dissolving so the kids will depend on the state and the state will be their father and mother. Many parents don't really care about their kids. Basically their kids are pets. All they want is a comfortable retirement so they can check out in peace, in they way they always dreamed. They leave a future hell hole to their children and they simply don't care. Everything is a lie.

Actually the people/automatons have the least stress since they are so well adapted to the Great Machine. As Gurdjieff said, they become proud of their slavery, a willing slave, and this is the worst thing that can happen. Of those few that actually ask questions there is a chance but even these few often fall prey to wishful thinking. Those who choose to wake up must constantly fight to be aware. Those who want to be unaware will fight to stay unaware. However, there is no predicting what the overall results will be with an increase in awareness among those who are willing to struggle to wake up to the true nature of reality.
Could it be that the "General Law" is nothing more than Human psychological inertia? Is it truly Universal, or a "local" (subject specific) effect exploited by those who have the capabilities and reach?

I hope it is the latter, for frankly it is laughably easy here and at the same time heart wrenching to observe unknown and unrealized potential. It is a lesson on many levels.
 
I have only one main political issue: the psychopathology of political leadership. Arguments that address other than that are only beating around the Bush.

That reminds me, there's a Tennessee town that should give its name to the USA: Nutbush.

I've watched a lot of Vietnam-war-era documentaries lately, and its amazing how the very same political language is being recycled right now, so soon after. "We're doing it for freedom and democracy," "fighting them there instead of here," escalation, dissent=disloyalty, domestic surveillance, "no timeline for withdrawal," etc. It was all there. And it's even more amazing how many people have forgotten.
 
I agree with John Mueller to the extent that our retaliation to terrorism is very much like throwing gasoline into a fire. Terrorism itself is not a peaceful act... it's a violent one, and our reaction to violence is absolutely not peaceful. So like a snake eating its own tail (in my mind) this violence will consume itself until there is nothing left.

However, if the ultimate acheivement of the article is to ignore the 'threat' of terrorism, that may be fine and dandy until there is another 'ACT' of terrorism. How is the actual attack, the actual violence ignored. The answer is... it isn't; it never will be.

I just can't wrap my mind around the idea that there will never be another act of terrorism. We have caused so much chaos and violence in Iraq.... thrown so much gasoline on the fire, that some hatred, somewhere, will eventually lash out. When it does there will be (as always) a backlash which will, more than likely, be far more violent.

----Ian Macleod (finishing with a quote from Mueller) said, "If we really want to deflate terrorism's impact, we need to get a grip -- on ourselves. Terrorism is more a state of mind and we can defeat it, "simply by not becoming terrified and by resisting the temptation to overreact."----

I'm of the opinion that the word terror is, and always has been, incorrect; especially the words "The War On Terror." It's not terror.... it's HATRED. WE ARE IN A WAR ON HATRED. Is it necessary to state the kun-nun-drum of trying to fight a "War On Hatred" by dropping bombs and spilling blood. Maybe we can defeat hatred for us by ignoring it, but how do you defeat it for a man with extreme religious beliefs, who returns home to find it in rubble and his 2-year-old daughter and pregnant wife are dead.

No sense crying over spilt milk and mistakes made. What's done is done. The can of worms is open and a massive amount of hatred is spilling out all over the place. Now... do we pay no heed, or do we >>>DO<<< something.

In my opinion nothing involving this conflict (including its threat) should be ignored, disregarded, or down-played, but rather focused and "reacted" upon in a way that bears solution towards being aware of the hatred and trying not to become a part of it and hopefully dealing with it. The snake began eating its tail a long time ago, and something tells me that his appetite is not going away all by itself.

Hatred anart, this I think is the source of Terror
 
Do you realize that without Mossad and the CIA/FBI/ONI/NSA that there would very likely be no 'terrorists'? We (and Mossad) created them - any 'homegrown' now are just afterthoughts. Apologies for the brevity -one hand is in a cast, making it difficult to type - basically your post makes it sound as if you believe that 'terrorist' groups are just 'out there' because of religious extremism - that (except in an extremely rare # of cases) is not the way it has been set up.
 
AdPop said:
I've watched a lot of Vietnam-war-era documentaries lately, and its amazing how the very same political language is being recycled right now, so soon after. "We're doing it for freedom and democracy," "fighting them there instead of here," escalation, dissent=disloyalty, domestic surveillance, "no timeline for withdrawal," etc. It was all there. And it's even more amazing how many people have forgotten.
That same sort of rhetoric has probably been ongoing for thousands of years...different players...different hardware...same old excuses and storyline.

The Biblical tale of the Israelites wondering around in the wilderness, complaining about their lot, especially after they'd witnessed the parting of the Red Sea, among other so-called 'miracles,' always amazed me with its depiction of a people who had really poor memory skills. That particular myth is an apt description of a person's ability to forget and continually wish for their version of the correct outcome. It's obvious the control system believes such political language is the proper program to run, time after time. You'd think after all these centuries, most of humanity would get a clue and hear the delayed echoes for what they are...false justifications for murder and mayhem.
 
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