Are my emotions normal ?

Nachtweide

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In recent months, I have noticed a change in me when it comes to my emotions. It's not as if my emotions are gone - it's just different. Things that have thrown my life off track, triggered a long-lasting emotional reaction, in which case it was much harder for me to make logical decisions. I personally believed that these emotions (sadness, fear, despondency) are normal and human, even in experienced form. Today I react completely differently. It is as if my mind starts before feeling analyze situations logically, calculates and finds solutions in a furious pace. I call this "the sea of ​​all the possibilities." I feel, in contrast to earlier no fear of the "unknown", on the contrary. The total energy that I used to consume for emotional standstill today is the drive to analyze situations, to disassemble and to develop solutions. Only when I'm with the situations (people, place, event) in direct contact, I feel emotions that are adapted. And also it's different. Things that made me formerly helpless and angry, I can immediately settle with logic without wasting even a moment of my energy today. I have asked myself whether I am now become cold. No. On the contrary. I see and feel today adequate. My feelings as love and affection are still as yet - honest today than in the past.
But the more I develop myself so, the clearer the images were in front of me. It's kind of like I would be able to see into people, often rich very little information to know what I think. Of course, help me also my job because I have the opportunity to analyze people. The images are often clear.
It is not about knowledge of human nature, it is more likely to feel "suddenly everything with a different type of clarity" to see.
But that brings me more and more problems with my environment. I hear sentences and none of it is logical. Stringing together phrases, conjectures - mixed with fantasy. And more and more often I catch myself that I have the feeling that there are fewer and fewer own thinking "living machines". And more and more I feel that I can no longer bear much and no longer want.
Maybe it's just you. Sometimes I think I want to get back to the place where I was as blind. I never felt so lonely in me as in recent months. At the same time I'm happy with my changes.
 
Those all sounds like more or less positive changes, so congratulations for turning your capacity to feel into an ally instead of something to fear or suppress. :rockon:
Usually when we strive to develop ourselves, the center that needs the most training and development is the emotional one. This is often because it's so neglected in our civilization and develops so haphazardly due to trauma and cultural programming.
 
Jean d`arc said:
In recent months, I have noticed a change in me when it comes to my emotions. It's not as if my emotions are gone - it's just different. Things that have thrown my life off track, triggered a long-lasting emotional reaction, in which case it was much harder for me to make logical decisions. I personally believed that these emotions (sadness, fear, despondency) are normal and human, even in experienced form. Today I react completely differently. It is as if my mind starts before feeling analyze situations logically, calculates and finds solutions in a furious pace. I call this "the sea of ​​all the possibilities." I feel, in contrast to earlier no fear of the "unknown", on the contrary. The total energy that I used to consume for emotional standstill today is the drive to analyze situations, to disassemble and to develop solutions. Only when I'm with the situations (people, place, event) in direct contact, I feel emotions that are adapted. And also it's different. Things that made me formerly helpless and angry, I can immediately settle with logic without wasting even a moment of my energy today. I have asked myself whether I am now become cold. No. On the contrary. I see and feel today adequate. My feelings as love and affection are still as yet - honest today than in the past.



This appears to be a normal and we'll documented effect of doing the Work on the self. I think part of it comes from a greater self honesty, as well as just the heightened self awareness and knowledge. Mouravieff talked about external shocks mixing the iron filings in us and a different personality coming to the top, but as we progress, these things affect us less and less, and consequently, more violent shocks are needed to produce the same effect in us. This is where don Juan's petty tirants come in to the picture.

I think seeing the world through emotional filters gives an addicting excitement to life, and as we start to remove these, we may start to feel a little more 'flat', so to speak. But I think that has to do with the idea that in a better functioning person, emotions don't just happen in a vacuum - they're a response to something. It's easy to be sat, not feeling anything in a certain moment and worry that, "I don't feel anymore", only to then find that when experiencing something or taking in some information or having an interaction, our emotions work fine.

But the more I develop myself so, the clearer the images were in front of me. It's kind of like I would be able to see into people, often rich very little information to know what I think. Of course, help me also my job because I have the opportunity to analyze people. The images are often clear.

Again, I think this is indicative of greater knowledge of the self. But we have to be careful when thinking like this that we're not just projecting on others.

It is not about knowledge of human nature, it is more likely to feel "suddenly everything with a different type of clarity" to see.
But that brings me more and more problems with my environment. I hear sentences and none of it is logical. Stringing together phrases, conjectures - mixed with fantasy. And more and more often I catch myself that I have the feeling that there are fewer and fewer own thinking "living machines". And more and more I feel that I can no longer bear much and no longer want.

Do you mean, no longer bear or want to be around these kind of illusory conversations and existences of others?

Maybe it's just you. Sometimes I think I want to get back to the place where I was as blind. I never felt so lonely in me as in recent months. At the same time I'm happy with my changes.

Well, the Universe always gives us the option to try to go back to sleep and shut things out. But which would you rather be: alone and living in the real world, and so suffer from a degree of loneliness or disconnection, or to close your eyes to reality and live with and surround yourself with and be on the level of those who you describe well in the above? Because once you've acquired a certain level of knowledge, it's hard to avoid feeling lonely in either of those scenarios. It's very lonely being surrounded by people whose interests you can't relate to.

It sounds to me like you're doing really well! The C's quote, "Do not mourn the death of an illusion of imbalance" comes to mind. It sounds like you're experiencing yourself and others in a more objective way. Thanks for sharing how you feel - we've all felt or are feeling how you are right now, so it's nice to be able to relate. It can make us all feel that bit more connected and less alone :)
 
Jean d`arc said:
But that brings me more and more problems with my environment. I hear sentences and none of it is logical. Stringing together phrases, conjectures - mixed with fantasy. And more and more often I catch myself that I have the feeling that there are fewer and fewer own thinking "living machines". And more and more I feel that I can no longer bear much and no longer want.
Maybe it's just you. Sometimes I think I want to get back to the place where I was as blind. I never felt so lonely in me as in recent months. At the same time I'm happy with my changes.

I agree with others that what you describe is a sign of inner growth. As for feelings of loneliness, or seeing the contradictory nature of many things in our world and still remaining sane, personally I found the following article very helpful.
http://www.sott.net/article/305608-Stoic-indifference-is-a-personal-power
 
An absolutely dominant change is actually this stoic calm. This I hear very often that I radiate a stoic calm and a deep serenity and satisfaction. This also describes the inner feeling. There is no impatience, dissatisfaction, no anger, no fear. I had to pass very difficult trials and anyway I can feel neither hatred nor anger. I've learned my past work up point by point and to give everyone and everything its fair share. Oddly disappeared after each processing all dramas of my life, and when I think now about my life stations it is only pure unemotional memory. Oddly enough, I have a feeling that the past plays no more role when you have processed the negative emotions about the events. Then there is no past - only the now.
I was tested as oversensitive and I'm sure that this is a very important point. One simply does not know any "normal" emotions. Everything is too much or too little. The question is: How much emotion is appropriate for a particular state?
 
Jean d`arc said:
The question is: How much emotion is appropriate for a particular state?

I wouldn't say it's about defining how much emotion is appropriate for a situation - if we have numbed our emotions for so many years, then when you're developing these emotions then you're bound to feel them strongly. I know too well how you feel, worrying whether you're feeling something too strongly and it's very difficult to navigate. A term I heard, that helps me to remember is "Emotions are like children, you don't want them driving the car, but you can't stuff them in the trunk either"

Learning how to control our emotions, at the same time as acknowledging them takes practice, knowledge and time. It's been said that trying to stop these emotions from going higher up than your neck (for example, not letting these emotions enter your thoughts) can help. A few forum members have found it helpful to try and detect were the emotion is being felt in the body, and follow that energy around the body.

Maybe this book could help, if you believe you're an oversensitive person The Highly Sensitive Person - Elaine Aron
this thread could also help http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,38752.msg591289.html#msg591289

There's also something RedFox put on the Dialectic toolset thread that will be useful to read:

RedFox said:
I've started reading Dąbrowski's Positive Disintegration and so far would like to suggest that anyone who's found this thread useful to check it out.
Researching all of the above and putting it together has been very useful for gaining better (more objective and less judgmental) self observations.

What I have kept in mind is things like self calming and using self compassion as a band aid for just running on automatic so as to never actually face myself or change.
And I've slipped into this a bit - fortunately it fails in the long term when it comes to self calming. :rolleyes:

Dąbrowski's work seems to be the next step - now you are more aware and less identified with all these little i's running around, have a large collection of self observation 'snapshots' and tools for relating to the many i's, what can be done with the inner conflict seeing them generates?

The main thing I've noticed so far is what Dąbrowski terms 'over excitability' could be applied to everyone who identifies with being 'a highly sensitive person' and who most likely found the tools in this thread useful.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_Disintegration
Development potential[edit]
Advanced development is often seen in people who exhibit strong developmental potential ("DP"). Developmental potential represents a constellation of genetic features, expressed and mediated through environmental interaction. Many factors are incorporated in developmental potential but three major aspects are highlighted: overexcitability (OE), specific abilities and talents, and a strong drive toward autonomous growth, a feature Dąbrowski called the "third factor."

Overexcitability

The most evident aspect of developmental potential is overexcitability (OE), a heightened physiological experience of stimuli resulting from increased neuronal sensitivities. The greater the OE, the more intense are the day-to-day experiences of life. Dąbrowski outlined five forms of OE: psychomotor, sensual, imaginational, intellectual and emotional. These overexcitabilities, especially the latter three, often cause a person to experience daily life more intensely and to feel the extremes of the joys and sorrows of life profoundly. Dąbrowski studied human exemplars and found that heightened overexcitability was a key part of their developmental and life experience. These people are steered and driven by their value "rudder", their sense of emotional OE. Combined with imaginational and intellectual OE, these people have a powerful perception of the world.[1]

Although based in the nervous system, overexcitabilities come to be expressed psychologically through the development of structures that reflect the emerging autonomous self. The most important of these conceptualizations are dynamisms: biological or mental forces that control behavior and its development. Instincts, drives and intellectual processes combined with emotions are dynamisms.[2] With advanced development, dynamisms increasingly reflect movement toward autonomy.

Abilities and talents

The second arm of developmental potential, specific abilities and talents, tends to serve the person's developmental level. As outlined, people at lower levels use talents to support egocentric goals or to climb the social and corporate ladders. At higher levels, specific talents and abilities become an important force as they are channeled by the person's value hierarchy into expressing and achieving the person's vision of his or her ideal personality and his or her view of how the world ought to be.

The third factor

The third aspect of developmental potential, which is simply referred to as 'the third factor', is a drive toward individual growth and autonomy. The third factor is critical as it applies one's talents and creativity toward autonomous expression, and second, it provides motivation to strive for more and to try to imagine and achieve goals currently beyond one's grasp. Dąbrowski was clear to differentiate third factor from free will. He felt that free will did not go far enough in capturing the motivating aspects that he attributed to third factor. For example, an individual can exercise free will and show little motivation to grow or change as an individual. Third factor specifically describes a motivation—a motivation to become one's self. This motivation is often so strong that in some situations we can observe that one needs to develop oneself and that in so doing, it places one at great peril. This feeling of "I've gotta be me" especially when it is "at any cost" and especially when it is expressed as a strong motivator for self-growth is beyond the usual conceptualization ascribed to free will.

A person whose DP is high enough will generally undergo disintegration, despite any external social or family efforts to prevent it. A person whose DP is low will generally not undergo disintegration (or positive personality growth) even in a conducive environment.

The notion that some people have an innate potential for development that is determined by a higher sensitivity or overexcitability (analogous to the first aspect of DP) and by a related tendency to develop individual differences and autonomy from the group (analogous to the third aspect of DP) was independently developed by Elaine Aron (see Highly sensitive person).[3] (although it should be noted that Aron's approach is substantially different from Dąbrowski's.)

Developmental Obstacles[edit]
Dąbrowski called OE "a tragic gift" to reflect that the road of the person with strong OE is not a smooth or easy one. Potentials to experience great highs are also potentials to experience great lows. Similarly, potentials to express great creativity hold the likelihood of experiencing a great deal of personal conflict and stress. This stress both drives development and is a result of developmental conflicts, both intrapsychic and social. Suicide is a significant risk in the acute phases of this stress. The isolation often experienced by these people heightens the risk of self-harm. {Along with other forms of 'mental disease' all the way up to psychosis}

Dąbrowski advocated autopsychotherapy, educating the person about OEs and the disintegrative process to give him or her a context within which to understand intense feelings and needs.
Dąbrowski suggested giving people support in their efforts to develop and find their own self-expression. Children and adults with high DP have to find and walk their own path, often at the expense of fitting in with their social peers and even with their families. At the core of autopsychotherapy is the awareness that no one can show anyone else the "right" path. Everyone has to find their own path for themselves. As Joseph Campbell described the knights on the Grail Quest: If a path exists in the forest, don't follow it, for though it took someone else to the Grail, it will not take you there, because it is not your path.

I'm not sure the above 'everyone has to find their own path' fits exactly.
It's most likely similar to the keto diet in terms of the Work - their are guidelines and hard boundaries, but each person needs to learn to tailor it to themselves through their own understanding of the material.

If all of these things can help you network and face shocks in a Work context (without shutting down or falling to pieces), observe reality more clearly (both internal and external), develop conscience, network/share, and ultimately just 'DO what is in front of you to do' then it's useful osit. If those are your aims whilst reading Dąbrowski's work then I think that provides the guidelines and boundaries.
 
In my self-analysis, I had found that my emotions were always very low. This also results in the lack of understanding for others who act rather unemotional or indifferent in emotional situations. I had to learn that the amount of emotion coupled with my view of things. No one can expect that someone can feel the same thing when he built no emotional connection to the same matter / creatures.
There is a recent example of me. My son has now operated for the 4th time in a tumor. The last was 8 years ago. At that time prevailed in me the emotion: fear, loss, helplessness. I lost my mind, my peace of mind, my control. From outside came: You've determined anxiety. The poor child. Hope everything goes well.
My reaction was exactly the answer to the determination from the outside without that I could ever think logically. I had no control over myself and the situation, I was driven from my fear out.
Now happened something completely new. My gut feeling was diagnosed with due to a manifestation of my son. Of course there were the previous experience, but this deep consciousness was new. And my thinking worked quite structured and logical. And there was no fear - only one way forward. I felt nothing. Now came from outside the same rates as before. Often when I question whether I had said no fear, they gave me to understand that it is not normal to be afraid. Another set was: The poor child. And I said: My child is not poor. He's happy but he is in pain. That is bad.
You accused me, I would feel cold and I have also asked me that. But basically I have my child showed with my attitude, that it must not be afraid. The calmer I was, the more relaxed he became. The only problem were all people who have ever been told to him that he is poor and he has to be afraid. And then he was just as anxious and insecure. I could eventually no longer bear that you constantly tried to tell him something that did not exist before.
My emotions came on the very day when we drove to the hospital. But it was never afraid, it was a deep love. I have to endure everything because it belongs an absolute faith in my creator and I am aware every second of my life that I have the strength to my life. I accept that everything is as it is because it should be as simple and also has a meaning.
 
Jean d`arc said:
But the more I develop myself so, the clearer the images were in front of me.

It is not about knowledge of human nature, it is more likely to feel "suddenly everything with a different type of clarity" to see. But that brings me more and more problems with my environment.
I can identify with these feelings. I feel more clear when my progress gets better, when I progress, it feels better.

When I see clearer, it's the puzzle being solved, since there are a lot of puzzles, the puzzle could be anything, anywhere, could be anything I'm not expecting. Besides, once I solved this puzzle, I may discover another puzzle, a bigger one, thus leads me to see the problem "bigger". A cam zooms back more and more, until I see the full picture.

The above comments may be correct, I agree as a positive change, but with difficulties to tackled.
 

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