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I was looking through the Ra sessions for a CassChat post, and came across this from session 60. I've put the interesting stuff in caps:

Q:What was the ark of the covenant, and what was its use?
A: I am Ra. The ark of the covenant was that place wherein those things most holy, according to the understanding of the one called Moishe, were placed. The article placed therein has been called by your peoples two tablets called the Ten Commandments. There were not two tablets. There was one writing in scroll. This was placed along with the most carefully written accounts by various entities of their beliefs concerning the creation by the One Creator. This ark was designed to constitute the place wherefrom the priests, as you call those distorted towards the desire to serve their brothers, could draw their power and feel the presence of the One Creator. However, it is to be noted that this entire arrangement was designed, not by the one known to the Confederation as Yahweh, but rather WAS DESIGNED BY NEGATIVE ENTITIES PREFERRING THIS METHOD OF CREATING AN ELITE CALLED THE SONS OF LEVI.

Q: Was this a device for communication then? You also said that they drew power from it. What sort of power? How did this work?
A: I am Ra. This was charged by means of the materials with which it was built being given an ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELD. It became an object of power in this way and, to those whose faith became that untarnished by unrighteousness or separation, this power designed for negativity BECAME POSITIVE AND IS SO, to those truly in harmony with the experience of service, TO THIS DAY. Thus the negative forces were partially successful but the positively oriented Moishe, as this entity was called, gave to your planetary peoples the possibility of a path to the One Infinite Creator which is completely positive. This is in common with each of your orthodox religious systems which have all become somewhat mixed in orientation, yet offer a pure path to the One Creator which is seen by the pure seeker.
Q: Where is the ark of the covenant now? Where is it located?
A: I am Ra. We refrain from answering this query due to the fact that IT STILL DOES EXIST and is not that which we would infringe upon your peoples by locating.

Compare to the C's:
Q: (L) What was the "Ark of the Covenant?"
A: Power cell.
Q: (L) What was the origin of this power cell?
A: Lizards given to the Jews to use for manipulation of others.
Q: (L) Why was it that if you came close to this object or touched it you would die?
A: Energy overload; scrambling by reverse electromagnetism.
Q: (L) What is reverse electromagnetism?
A: Turned inward.
Q: (L) What effect does it produce?
A: Liquification of matter.
Q: (L) Well, that is pleasant. This "cell" was kept in an ornate box of some sort, is that correct?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Why was it only the priests who could handle it?
A: Only those who would not try to use for selfish reasons.
Q: (L) But then did just coming near it injure a person?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Well why were these individuals able to come near it?
A: Nonselfish energy field.
Q: (L) So it could tune into thought fields?
A: Yes.
 
Combining what I learned about the 4th physical dimension

http://tetraspace.alkaline.org/introduction.htm

with what I learned about the relationship between electrical energy, charge, and ascension

http://jeffreybrauer.blogspot.com/2005/04/true-cause-of-global-warming.html

I had the following thoughts about Star Trek:Deep Space Nine
1.) the Founders/changelings represent 4D beings (they seem LIQUID to us, they call all non-changelings "the solids")
2.) the Prophets of Bajor/wormhole aliens represent 5D people (they can see and act through time)
(for the sake of simplicity, the show made the 4D bad guys, and the 5D sort of good guys - obviously we know it's more complicated in real life)

Which is why the above sessions quote really caught my eye: LIQUIFICATION OF MATTER.

Maybe this object helps ascend if ready, kills if not ready?
 
In my sojourn I came upon a branch of the Rosicrucians who considered themselves a Gnostic/4th Way School. There purpose was to build an Ark thru the unification of the Spiritual Spark of Divinity residing within members. This unity would then create a 'Radiation Field' which would be the Ark that would save them from the coming deluge of mankind.
They too had a connection to Rennes-Le-Chateau & contended their teachings were
a combination of the various gnostic groups & secret societies etc.
As I understood it the process took place over 70yrs & is already completed. At the
time of completion the School was to close to the general public only to open its
doors in the event of an emergency for those whose 'spirit spark atom' had been
touched (or called) by the radiation of the school.
The Ark was to be in the form of a pyramid built from the bottom up, with 6
aspects for those in the school still living & a 7th for those departed. At the
appropriate time it was said this Ark would be united to the eternal gnostic chain.
 
Hy all

This is my first post here. So if my style is somwhat unclear or my wording confusing, please correct me.

I don't need to repeat the value of this site. It is a threshold in many directions to investigate and naturally, i am in most cases not learned or experienced enough to comment on these.

But now this topic concerns my own research.
As very view people know. there exists a system for reading the torah. Now this kind of reading I call TREE OF KNOWLEDGE (ToK). It is based on verse sections with parallel layout. The initial system compares the fall of man in paradise with the election of Moses. That's why I named it thusly.
Now I have a very critical opinion about jewish scripture. I Think that the torah was written in the late persian period. And I do have a lot of objections against these jewish fables from a historical point of view.

But I was allways eager to put the Cass-Messengers to a test in relation to what i claim to be my hard results of objective truth concearning the written Torah.
And naturaly I wondered, if the Casiopaeans would somehow mention this kind of Torah reading.
While I read the whole wave series (i do not have the session reports right now) I found no hint that confirmed my results.
To be balanced:
I do not have a hint of theirs that blatantly contradicts my results.

Now what the passages above say:
The ark is looked on somewhat different form the Torah. So I cannot use this.
But the Idea is: The Ark is positive for the positive ones and negative for the negative ones.
Concerning the content of the arc. RA says, that there wre diverse sources and orientations involved.
Now reading the written Torah, one can easily sort out a plurality of voices. clearly, this is not the work of ONE Moses, but reflects different needs and conflicting thoughts.

But let's distinguish the above exerpts that are about the/a ark and the written Torah.
My revelations about the ToK in the Torah was:
- there is a chronological agenda
- this agenda written during the late persian period knows or proscribes some casualty in that:
-- it dates the coming of a king of israel
-- it dates the coming of a prophet like moses
---- both right away for the year 70 AD

In other words: The mystical Torah was quite suggestive for some calamities. Simply buy thee some robbers in time and the repetition of the 586 BC burning is accomplished.

I for myself find this to be a very dark kind of influence. So the Torah was used by some inner circle to accomplish a HISTORY to come, while obviosly, the written history of the so called israelite kingdom was simply a fairy tale.
And this fact naturally makes it difficult to test some above mentioned real earlier arc of the covenant as distinguished from the ToK-torah from the persian period.

I would like to discuss and learn, what the cass-messengers said concerning jewish scriptures and eventually the mystical torah.

Thanks and welcome to all
 
I-Eye said:
I would like to discuss and learn, what the cass-messengers said concerning jewish scriptures and eventually the mystical torah.
Well, in The Secret History of the World, I wrote a LOT about the Ark, tracking, comparing myths, analyzing scripture, archaeology, etc etc. There ARE some additional C's material on the subject, but it wouldn't make a lot of sense to you if you haven't read the book. (You can get most of what is in the book by reading a whole slew of stuff on the site, but the book condenses things, adds some new material, and focuses it.

But anyway, I'll toss some stuff in here to think about.

First of all, you will notice that there is a "tradition" that suggests a close relationship between "Hermes" and Moses. I'm not going to comment on that or even try to untangle the mess, but keep it in mind as you read the following:

16 October 1994
Q: (L) Who was Hermes Trismegistus?
A: Traitor to court of Pharoah Rana.
Q: (L) Who is Pharoah Rana?
A: Egyptian leader of spiritual covenant.

Laura's note: Notice the feminine gender of "Rana." Also note that the word Pharoah was originally feminine as well and means "white house," I believe. In French, a pharos is a light house. So what the C's were saying, though I didn't realize it at the time, was "The Queen of the White House."

Q: (L) In what way was Hermes a traitor?
A: Broke covenant of spiritual unity of all peoples in area now known as Middle East.
Q: (L) Who did Hermes betray?
A: Himself; was power hungry.
Q: (L) What acts did he do?
A: Broke covenant; he inspired divisions within ranks of Egyptians, Essenes, Aryans, and Persians et cetera.
Q: (L) What was his purpose in doing this?
A: Divide and conquer as inspired by those referred to as Brotherhood in Bramley book you have read.
Q: (L) Is this the Brotherhood of the snake Hermes formed in rejection of unity?
A: Hermes did not form it; it was long since in existence.
Q: (L) Who was the originator of the Brotherhood of the Serpent as described in the Bramley book?
A: Lizard Beings.
Q: (L) Where did Moses get his knowledge?
A: Us. (i.e. 6th Density, or "himself in the future.")
Q: (L) Okay, you told us before that he saw or interacted with a holographic projection created by the Lizard Beings. Was that the experience on Mount Sinai?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Okay, well, if he got knowledge from you, did he get this prior to the interactions with the Lizard beings?
A: Yes. He was corrupted by imagery. He was deceived by the imagery a la Joseph Smith, for example.
Q: (L) Are you saying that Joseph Smith, the recipient of the Mormon texts, was deceived by the Lizards also?
A: Yes. They do that a lot.
3 July 1995
Q: (L) Who were the Elohim of the Bible?
A: Transdefinitive.
Q: (L) What does that mean? Transcends definition?
A: And variable entities.
Q: (L) Were the Elohim 'good guys?'
A: First manifestation was human, then non-human.
Q: (L) Are they light beings as some people say?
A: Vague.
Q: (L) Well, what brought about their transformation from human to non-human?
A: Pact or covenant.
Q: (L) They made a pact or covenant with each other?
A: No, with 4th density STS.
Q: (L) Well, that is not good! Are you saying that the Elohim are STS? Who were these STS beings they made a pact with?
A: Rosteem, now manifests as Rosicrucians.
Q: (L) What is their purpose?
A: As yet unrevealable to you.
Q: (L) That's heavy! Okay, what is the source of the 'Keys of Enoch' teaching? James Hurtak claims that he was taken up to the higher realms and that the 'Keys' were programmed into him...
A: Disguised reality.
Q: (L) The place that he was taken to?
A: Not the place, the message.
Q: (L) What is the source of this disguised reality?
A: Research; one here studies a bit too much to discover explosive reality trailblazings.
Q: (L) Okay. Is there coded information in this book on several levels as M__ suggests?
A: There is coded information all over the place. Suggest slower pace of studying in order to discover earth shaking principles.
Q: (L) Who is studying too hard?
A: You. Slower would help. Remember the old parable about biting off more than you can chew?
14 July 1998
Q: (L) OK, where is the Ark of the Covenant currently located?
A: Alternative 3.
Q: (L) Alternative 3 is the plan to take all the people, all the smart guys, all the elite, off the planet and leave
everybody else here to blow up, isn't it?
A: Maybe.
Q: (L) Where is it currently located?
A: Maybe not. Discover.
Q: (L) We're trying to discover through our interaction with you. How else can we discover something as obscure as this? I mean, that's a pretty darned obscure question, I would think. (SV) Who's in charge of Alternative 3, Laura? (L) That's too complicated.... (SV) Well, maybe they have it, who ever's in charge of it. (L) well, are you gong to tell us anything about it?
A: Study alternative 3 to find answer!
If you have read the Adventures Series where I finally did get into Alternative 3, then you will know most of what I discovered about that subject... which then led to some more significant understandings and further work. Notice also the gaps between these related questions. During those periods I was studying, reading, etc.

4 Nov 1998

Q: Ummm, in reading this funny book I just finished, I discovered that there is the tradition of the Ark of the Covenant being in Ethiopia. This guy did a bunch of research on it, and it seems possible that it is there, and that it may even be active. Is it, in fact, in the church of St. Mary of Zion in Ethiopia?
A: No.
Q: Where is it?
A: If we were to reveal this to you, it would be akin to giving a hand grenade to a baby!!
Q: Well, I just thought I would ask! What I found out was that this wonderful Hakluyt Society that chronicled the funny business in the Canary Islands also kept track of the goings on in Ethiopia. One of the things they told about was the carrying of the Ark in procession by red or blond headed guys. And there was the Croix Patte of the Templars on a number of objects in Ethiopia. The Rose Croix. Did we have Templars there, or what was going on? Was the Ark there and was it then taken somewhere else?
A: The Ark of the Covenant is not what you think it is.
Q: You guys said that it was a power cell. I don't have some sort of romantic idea of it. I can accept that. But there are all these stories about it and a lot of people have mythologized it. What do you mean by saying such a thing. What is the Ark?
A: See Oak Island.

(reference to a different session about Oak Island and what is buried there: a Trans-dimensional Atomic Remolecularizer.)

Q: It seems that the Templars were in charge of building the Cathedral at Chartres, and there is a tableaux on one of the porches of Melchizedek and the Queen of Sheba. Equidistant between them is the Ark of the covenant in a cart. Melchizedek is holding a cup that is supposed to be the Holy Grail. Inside this cup is a cylindrical object of stone. What is this?
A: Greater sight.
Q: What?! (A) Is it a symbol or a device?
A: Why cannot it be both?
Q: (A) It can be both, but is it both?
A: Yes.
Q: (A) So, it is a device for greater sight like a crystal ball, yes?
A: Only when utilized exactly precisely.
Q: How do you execute something with this device?
A: Why should one wish to "execute" someone with this device?
Q: We don't understand...
A: Laura did say "execute."
Q: You were using the phraseology of my question to give a clue, I suppose...
3 July 1999
Q: (L) Previously when I had asked a question about Hermes Trismegistus, you remarked that he was a 'traitor to the court of Pharoah Rana.' Who was this Pharoah Rana? Was he prior to the Pharoah Menes?

(Notice that here I still had not figured out that Pharoah Rana was "Queen of the White House.")

A: Much prior.
Q: Was the Pharoah Menes the same as King Minos of Crete?
A: No.
Q: What was the relationship between the Cretans and the Egyptians?
A: All were the same originally.
Q: So they were Egyptians who left Egypt and moved to Crete and set up their version of the Egyptian culture there? Is that it? Or did they develop independently?
A: Former is closest.
Q: Was Abraham, the founder of the monotheistic covenant, [the same individual as] Hermes?
A: No.
Q: Was Akhenaten Moses?
A: Only through the eyes of the themes.
Q: What happened to Akhenaten? He also brought about the monotheistic worship and was apparently so hated that any mention of him, his very name, was stricken from buildings and statuary; his tomb was defaced and there was tremendous turmoil in the land. He essentially disappeared from the landscape, erased by the people who must have really hated him. What was the deal with Akhenaten?
A: Is not that enough? Must one endure anymore?
Q: Endure anymore what?
A: Vilification.
Q: Why was Akhenaten portrayed in images as a rather feminine individual? Did he have a congenital disease? Was he a hermaphrodite? Was he an alchemical adept who had gone through the transformation?
A: None of these.
Q: What was the reason for his strange physical appearance; his feminine hips and belly and strangely elongated face...
A: Depictions.
Q: So this was NOT how he really looked?
A: Not really.
Q: Did he choose to be depicted this way?
A: No.
Q: Was he depicted this way later as an insult?
A: Closer.
Q: Well, Abraham was the father of Ishmael who was the 'father of the Arabs' according to the Hebrew texts. Hermes was ALSO supposed to have been the father of Arabus who was also called the 'father of the Arabs.' This Arabus was the legendary father of Cassiopeia, which is almost a parallel development with just some name changes. It seems as though Arabus and Ishmael were comparatively the same in type and function and there are further comparisons to be made. But, the essential thing here is that Cassiopeia would then have been a granddaughter of Hermes and daughter of Ishmael, and we have talked before about the bloodline of the Ishmaelis as the true 'royal line.' Can you comment on this?
A: You are doing well in your analysis.
There are about 5 more sessions with references but I am reserving those at present while the research is ongoing.
 
Hy Laura
This is a great handshake by you and I'm obliged to give my best now.

I will use my accumulated knowledge, the biblical tree of knowledge, the given transcripts of the C's
and do some crossreference.

Laura: ...but it wouldn't make a lot of sense to you if you haven't read the book. (You can get most of what is in the book by reading a whole slew of stuff on the site, but the book condenses things, adds some new material, and focuses it.

Me: I've read the wave and adventures series back in 2002/03. After a psycho attack I lost my weblib, which I'll have to recollect. So most of the reports i did read once. But this will get much more attention.

Laura: First of all, you will notice that there is a "tradition" that suggests a close relationship between "Hermes" and Moses. I'm not going to comment on that or even try to untangle the mess, but keep it in mind as you read the following:

16 October 1994
Q: (L) Who was Hermes Trismegistus?
A: Traitor to court of Pharoah Rana.
Q: (L) Who is Pharoah Rana?
A: Egyptian leader of spiritual covenant.

Laura's note: Notice the feminine gender of "Rana." Also note that the word Pharoah was originally feminine as well and means "white house," I believe. In French, a pharos is a light house. So what the C's were saying, though I didn't realize it at the time, was "The Queen of the White House."

Me: As you said several times, the C's give clues which may lead in different directions. So we may give alternative guggestions & look how it fits. The idea of a pharos is good. Remember: Love is Light is Knowledge, one of the primary statements established in the communication process. So a pharos is a guiding light. But it is a column too. It is a guiding light for SHIPS.
Now a pharos in human dimensions, a pharos is a high building. Compare this with Hermes who is called – thrice es large. So actually we have a rebellion which is: a larger but misguiding light.
I am not that learend into the hermetic lore which speaks about Hermes. But here are some clues I've learned.
a) Hermes is the god of thieves (those who use illusions to rob awareness).
Hermes had to rob Io, when she was a cow. He played his flute till the wathcher with the 1000 eyes fell asleep. This story illustrates the gradual shift of his influence.
b) Hermes is compared to the planet mercury and as such the god of scripture (the liars?). He is equaled with the egyptian toth, god of scripture.
c) Hermeticism is the Art of Controlling the passages and gates. We say: something is hermetically closed.
I don't know where the word 'hermes' comes from. It might be a greek version of an earlier semitic title Ha-Ramesse (the Ramses) from the egyptian Ramses. But the Ideas of Hermes must be older than any chronological attribution to that dynastie. The name Ra-Messe is presumptive. while we had Tothmoses and the like, to call someone Son of Ra is a revolutionary act. well it was only Ramses II who established again the warlike fame of egypt. But clearly the Ramses were promoted after the decline of Echnatons Sun worship.

RANA: I cannot comment on that by now. I know that the following is at odds with the C's stating: 'spiritual covenant'. The title Pharao is not that old. It does simply designate a large house (and I guess it became a novelty when the mayor domus revolted and replaced the king). Notice that the C's don't say things like: Priestess Rana or Queen Rana. but say COURT But naturaly the title Pharao is intended to express a 'leading function'. Isn't it that way that you thought of a pharos too?
The household of a pharao is somewhat hermetic. Dynasties tried to keep the office and kings married their sisters. Often new emerging dynasties forced the acting priestesses to marry the new usurper (for instance Psametichos). So we have another idea: SEPARATE. The Light or pharos is not for all or not a public on. But is in some sense a little – hermeneutical.
I don't think that the C's wanted to redefine the unwritten inner encyclopedia of Laura. Wherefor i think, they related the commen idea, COURT PHARAO, which instantly says twofold: The Order of the House & The (greater) family (ranking?) of the King
Thrice as Great Hermes...
Now I do a synthesis:
The spiritual Order of the Lighthouse (or guiding light) designates the teaching about, how light/knowledge is transmitted through order (or cosmic law) which for instance here is spoken of as STS, STO virbations or great circles (COURT).
Below we here that Hemeres inspired ranks. so apparntly the Idea ogf Pharos originally new nothing of ranks. Thats important how we read COURT.
I cannot integrate RANA by now.

Q: (L) In what way was Hermes a traitor?
A: Broke covenant of spiritual unity of all peoples in area now known as Middle East.

Me: Spirtitual unity in the middle east. This imples: not all spiritual unity. We see how Hermes works. It is intended to be a 3 times great light, but in the same time establishes more hermetics. This sounds like the archetipe form of: We are to chosen people or some kind of elitarism. Does this relate to a 3 sons dogma (Ham Sem Japhet?) to establish a Semitisms a ... ism and a ...ism?

Q: (L) Who did Hermes betray?
A: Himself; was power hungry.
Q: (L) What acts did he do?
A: Broke covenant; he inspired divisions within ranks of Egyptians, Essenes, Aryans, and Persians et cetera.

Me: Now there is a interesting thing: The C's do not mention that Hermes might been given some special teaching but they insist on his beeing power hungry. This is a little bit at odds with the Hermetic Lore which defines him as a teacher. Hermes is depicted in terms of quantity rather than quality. I cannot imagine some dark entity in the dark revealing his secretes only to the chosen. Rather i depict a very demonstrative concept up unto the glorious self styling of a Ramses. Naturally this would imply status, division ranks...
Dividing ranks: We should not analyce these names. The word 'etc.' stands out. The intent follows: divide and conquer. Now how can one conquer? we clearly feel that hermeticism established a variety of encrypted but exclusively understood 'bibles'. what christian knows the jewish mysticism? What jew knows the korans wisdom? So each one follows it's own suggestions. The wedding of nationalism (or electicism) and excusive truth for these particularities stears them up to live out scriptural suggestions.
Would a christian know, that 666 does relate to the structure of the torah and the ToK, he wouldn't have to repeat history.

Q: (L) What was his purpose in doing this?
A: Divide and conquer as inspired by those referred to as Brotherhood in Bramley book you have read.
Q: (L) Is this the Brotherhood of the snake Hermes formed in rejection of unity?
A: Hermes did not form it; it was long since in existence.

Me: The C's said elsewhere that STS influence is working for some 100'000 years. So actually hermetics is just another stage in the battle. But I think we can somehow come closer in that we explore the scripture. What is the devide and conquer principle: For instance Muhammed only accepted religions with a written history. Hermetcis is the prevalence of scripture. the door to a lie that does not die with the liar.
Remember the idea that the Logos, The word is the light (Johns gospel). Not knowledge but everlasting word. Evidently Hermes made scripture the Light and this opened all sorts of scriptural and cryptical deceptions. One of which surely is this biblical tree of knowledge which im gonna relate to you below..

Q: (L) Who was the originator of the Brotherhood of the Serpent as described in the Bramley book?
A: Lizard Beings.
Q: (L) Where did Moses get his knowledge?
A: Us. (i.e. 6th Density, or "himself in the future.")

Me: I don't think that they meant 'us the C's'. Maybe the channel was noisy? Reed the last answer which was: 'Lizard beeings'. But the further reading will confirm that the C's say, they taught Moses first.
( there are hnts that there was noise in that session. so we have different versions of transcripts. Laura already explained how this could happen)


Q: (L) Okay, you told us before that he saw or interacted with a holographic projection created by the Lizard Beings. Was that the experience on Mount Sinai?
A: Yes.

Me: Let's get the answer (but not necessarily the truth) from the Tree of Knowledge (ToK).
Please note: Whenever i write ToL i relate to this biiblical reading system, which shows 5 torahs in 5 columns. For the simplicity, i will only present the first two columns. The happen to be the initial system viz. the way I found the ToK.
They say ? Moses got his knowledge on Mount Sinai'. But who is Moses? The word Moses simply means: Son of... and he is related to YHVH which is 10 5 6 5 in a numerical presentation. Now it happens, that Moses get's his name in the 1565th verse of the torah, which is the nearest possible allusion to YHVH.
But again who the fuck is this YHVH, who is what he wants us to believe? He is and is not. He is aczually a nobody and Moses is the 'Son of a nobody'. If you've read some assyrian polemics by Sargon then maybe you know that a 'Son of a nobody' is a usurper to the throne.

Since I cannot use spreadsheats here I will use ---------- to separate rows.
Some notes:
each verse has two numbers.
B=123 : this is the 123th verse of the book X
T=123 : this is the 123th verse of the torah.
I will use column A and column B of the ToK.
There allways is a 1546-verses sequence between these two columns.
But don't focus on numbers, they simply are part of the ToK-database
Texts: I use King James 1611 (KJV)

ATTENTION: what you now read reflects the lizzies bible. I do not have any doubt to publish it, because the sick will get sicker and the sound will know a lesson to contemplate.

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Moses murders an egyptian. Meanwhile god creates whales (hebrew: TaNYNYM) which word is also used for dragons. The masora has a peculiar punctuation which forbids the creation of whales to be considered as a good deed. Evidently the masora did not esteem the whales/dragons to be a good creation. So we have the evil within creation. The ToK does relate this with Moses murdering an egyptian.

T=21 B=21 1Mo 1,21
[KJV] 21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
T=1567 B=34 2Mo 2,12
[KJV] 12 And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand.
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I could comment out each row of that initial system. But in order not to leed off topic let's go a little further.
God is creating man by his spirit (Castaneda: He gave us his mind). Moses is answering : 'Here I am!'
God speaks out of the bush (not necessarily george). Now it happens to be the garden Eden.

T=38 B=38 1Mo 2,7
[KJV] 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. {of the dust…: Heb. dust of the ground}
T=1584 B=51 2Mo 3,4
[KJV] 4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.
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T=39 B=39 1Mo 2,8
[KJV] 8 ¶ And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
T=1585 B=52 2Mo 3,5
[KJV] 5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.


The forbidden tree is aligned with the explanation of Gods name. And that Name is forbidden.
That's why jews say 'Ha Shem'. And that's why the Son of Nobody is a reversed 'Name' (Mose MSH <=> HSM Ha Shem).

T=47 B=47 1Mo 2,16
[KJV] 16 ¶ And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: {thou…: Heb. eating thou shalt eat}
T=1593 B=60 2Mo 3,13
[KJV] 13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
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T=48 B=48 1Mo 2,17
[KJV] 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. {thou shalt surely…: Heb. dying thou shalt die}
T=1594 B=61 2Mo 3,14
[KJV] 14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

So that's funny. The Tree of Knowledge (the System) says: eating from the tree is knowing the name of god. Now think magically. Knowing the Name of a god in magic means to aquire the force of that god. Smells like lizzy spirit? Yeah naturally, we enter the path to a inner knowledge, and that knowledge is some more strength.
But remember what the C's said elsewhere: Lizzies promoted infinite wisdom for infinite obediance, which is why they must seek in all eternity more wisdom.
(Obediance, from hebrew 'obed' = servant. Jewish religion knows of no grace. The word grace 'chessed' does mean 'truthfullness to the letter'. The chessed of the lord is his part of the bond = religion. So god is bound with a treaty, that's why they command god by the bond: 'Give us our dayly bred' by golly !!!. The jewish aproach to scripture is: check the treaty and remind god of his chessed. This has two sides, so the writers of the torah knew, the later generations would fall into that trap. So if the treaty does not produce the needed result, the treaty is studied once again. and agan and again... )

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Now Moses has a staff which becomes a snake. No doubt, a scroll is meant. The snake is the torah.
Meanwhile Eve has some discussion with a lizzy.

T=59 B=59 1Mo 3,3
[KJV] 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
T=1605 B=72 2Mo 4,3
[KJV] 3 And he said, Cast it on the ground. And he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent; and Moses fled from before it.

This is some kind of bravery contest. Eve discusses with the snake. Moses shall read 'the snake'. Apparently the jewish religion wants people to accept lizzies as teachers?
This is about hearing (remebering what was taught, or handling the torah scroll staff/snake).

T=60 B=60 1Mo 3,4
[KJV] 4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
T=1606 B=73 2Mo 4,4
[KJV] 4 And the LORD said unto Moses, Put forth thine hand, and take it by the tail. And he put forth his hand, and caught it, and it became a rod in his hand:

Adding head and tale reveals some numerical hint here. (add the T-numbers).
You might want to check this link, which shows T=1606 in another sequence. There you will read that Moses actually DIED. (see column D)
http://www.elcappuccino.ch/cgi/tok.pl?extern=0-0-1606-1-1-ABCDE
This is revelation about the nature of the mystical torah. The snake says: you will not die. But when checkking this, Moses dies. We are confronted with lies about lies. As it is said: the snake was more subtle... more cunning. Never trust this mystical torah.


And the following is about acting. Moses hand is withered while eve reaches out here hand too.

T=62 B=62 1Mo 3,6
[KJV] 6 ¶ And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. {pleasant: Heb. a desire}
T=1608 B=75 2Mo 4,6
[KJV] 6 And the LORD said furthermore unto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosom. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous as snow.
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T=63 B=63 1Mo 3,7
[KJV] 7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. {aprons: or, things to gird about}
T=1609 B=76 2Mo 4,7
[KJV] 7 And he said, Put thine hand into thy bosom again. And he put his hand into his bosom again; and plucked it out of his bosom, and, behold, it was turned again as his other flesh.
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As we see, there is a system. It does compare Moses election with the fall of man.
What kind of Moses is this? When we study this tree of knowledge, we will find that this Moses is just an idea. He is the archetype of what befalls the mystic reader of the tree of knowledge. He is confronted wth paradoxes and the torah reveals the hidden side, a side which was exclusively for the elite.

I showed this, because here we see Moses acting with a snake. He is a tool of a lizzy-school and the torah is a cunning device. I won't say anything wrong: The torah did cause the destruction anno 70 AD by design, a burned offering for the pychopathocraty.

Now we see Moses as a tool of the lizzies. And i said this Moses is s fiction and a riddle. He is a son of nobody, a prophet of a number and the slave of a versical mystizism. Now again the C's:


Q: (L) Okay, well, if he got knowledge from you, did he get this prior to the interactions with the Lizard beings?
A: Yes. He was corrupted by imagery. He was deceived by the imagery a la Joseph Smith, for example.
Q: (L) Are you saying that Joseph Smith, the recipient of the Mormon texts, was deceived by the Lizards also?
A: Yes. They do that a lot.

Me:Well that is in some way not wrong. Following the torah Moses was taught in egypt (but not explicitely). Afterwards he was maybe taught by Jethro, the priest of midian. But the bible says: Moses was a murderer in egypt. The bible does not embellish it: Moses killed and hid his deed. The ToK might add via the 'creation of the TaNYNYM' (Dragons) that this reflects the dragon spirit. The Torah tells us: Moses was the right psychopath to be elected. If this is unbearable in our eyes, then maybe jewist mystcs learnd to see it otherwise. They somehow accepted this spirit and considered Moses a archetype such that tradition says: Moses was perfect. This is the way of the teaching.
Maybe Moses brought the right conditions (or should this tell us something about this jewish elite?).
So it's hard to see within the bible hiw THIS moses was taught earlier. Whatever was taught had no fruit, but ended in moses killing an egypt. The Bible does not know of another/earlier moses who was once taught by STO.
There is another link: Moses is a elect killer. As such he is like Kain a archetype. But that's another story.

So what: It is obvious that the C's statement is not compatible with the torah as we have it.
This is not against the C's. They simply do a statement that we cannot check by scripture. We would have to resort to historical theories about some real moses (still that funny name?). But which historical construction would be right since we know that many biblical stories are just inventions without a real basis. It is the lest offensive to say, they are distortions of distortions.

But let's go back to the name. The torah was written during the late persian period. When this Moses was introduced, this name was not used as a personal name until the mischnaic period. Would this Moses have been a popular name of old, why are there no other known Moses? But if there was no Moses of ani significance until the redaction in 5th century, we understand that it became suddenly an accepted name. after Moses introduction passing some time for accomodation.
But that does not say, that there was never such a name or a similar one. For instance we know of this famous stela by king Mesha of Moab. But again, this Mesha was not that popular to use the name for jewish/israelite children. From a historical PoV the only positive aspect would have been Meshas enmity against the Omrides of Israel.
This is only a hint how far away some real history could be from the transmitted biblical version. I do not claim that the C's are talking about this king Mesha.
All I wanted to do was demonstrating the Lizzy factor in biblical scripture. And from that side, the C's comment is quite clear.

Now there was a last clue in that session: Joseph Smith. What the C's illustrate: The bible was not given the way, the bible says. I rather suspect that some 'jewish' councel made some channeling and were taught how they should nail their scripture on the tree with three nails (The letter Vav counts six and designates a hook or a nail).
I clearly see a design for a long term manipulation using this kind of mysticism. They knew how to entrap believers, how to MAKE a people and be it that it is burned as an offering when the time comes. More: They suggested the times, and really it came in time.

I am at odds when the.C's talk about Moses and Joseph Smith. They are talking about individuals. Now I assume, that Joseph Smith took himself responsibility for _writing_ his 'mormon bible'. (I do not know the exact backgrounds now). But in the case of the written torah there must have been a team at work. This does not rule out that there was some psychic who connected this team with some STS source. But this team clearly must have been knowledgeable about what they were constructing (a ToK) and they consented. The written torah is not by one hand. Everywhere we find deviations of style and even conflicting concepts. Blatant misstakes may only arise in a teamwork where missunderstandings arise naturaly. Some of the hands of the Quellenscheidungstheorie E-J-D-P1-P2-P3... are clearly contemporary and part of the same team.
But again. I do not see this as a problem. The C's concentrate on the individuals and there maybe was some psychic in the team (but I decline his name was 'moses'). The C's are not explicetly talking about the written scripture.

Now from that starting point, it is possible to do some guesswork. Maybe this psychic was taught in a earlier stage by some STO stuff but ultimately surrendered the lizzy agenda. This earlier stage might reflect the teaching that he left behind (which was not necessarily a personal teaching given to him, but could have been the tradition he had learned)

How this can be the forum members must discuss.
Crossreference the case of F...k. Someone who was channeling STO stuff but finaly gave in the contrary. The main reason was: He was not willing to work. He did not build up a knowledge base.
Now crossreference with psychic 'Moses'. I suggest he had a team of writers who did the work. The existence of a team which takes away the necessary work from a channeling psychic might explain what came through. But that is only my guess and a item to discuss. We don't have real data for this and as ever, it is not always best to believe the biblical clues..There is however a interessting point. Moses claims 'I am the channel'. And maybe F...k wanted others to believe the same.

Let's make a break here.
I will continue with the next session in the next posting.

postscriptum:
Stony is the road from mountainous switzerland to plain english . There might be a lot of typos and worse. Don't hesitate to ask for clarification.if needed.

postscriptum:
Saturday not only brought in Lauras helpful input, but a whole bunch of snow (up to 40cm in my small town which was not seen for the last 20 years).
 
The I-Eye said:
I don't know where the word 'hermes' comes from.
I did a search on this, and the etymology is not direct as far as I can see. In other words there are many associative words in Ancient Greek and Pre-Hellenic dialects that all indiciate connectivity. Words, roads, gates all connect, and the words are associated with "hermes", the pre-hellenic word for "loan" also is assiciated with the name, while the word Herma is a pile of stones placed on a grave to assist in soul transition (connection between the world of the living and the dead).

In Hebrew, Mercury is also the word for planet (Kokab), which implies as system of interconnecting bodies or one body connecting with another (in terms of messaging). In my opinion, the associations relate to the lower mind and the throat center, as well as interchanges and exchanges in the material world. Even stealing, business and banking are exchanges of sorts, all ruled by Hermes. That connections can be tampered with is indicated by the trickster or amoral nature of Hermes.
 
I Eye said:
Now crossreference with psychic 'Moses'. I suggest he had a team of writers who did the work. The existence of a team which takes away the necessary work from a channeling psychic might explain what came through. But that is only my guess and a item to discuss. We don't have real data for this and as ever, it is not always best to believe the biblical clues..There is however a interessting point.
Did you read Who Wrote The Bible? Starts here: http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/biblewho1.htm
 
Laura said:
Did you read Who Wrote The Bible? Starts here: http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/biblewho1.htm
Yes I did. You made a good recollection of the modern state of biblical research.
Now the different thesis of EJPD have gone through many variations. While most scholars still hold to some early sources, i cannot share this view. In that i locate the redaction in the later persian period I share the view of the so called kopenhagen school.

But due to my understanding of the inner structure of the torah I come to some specifications: mainly that some diifferent hands do not belong to different times but reflect disharmonies and some individualities within a working team.

By the way: There are issues where I completely differ from the standard biblical encyclopedia/scholarship.
The encyclopedia states that verse sections were introduced somewhere in the early masoretic period. This view completely discards the hints of the LXX which shows clues of a very early archetype of verse sections.

There are key arrangements in the ToK which explain the different versions of the verse sections (for instance in the 10 commandements). In The ToK these veariations occur as ONE verse (as the MT has it). Now the arrangement has the property of a verse number 666 which indicates that this is a fixed and primary place within the ToK, similar to the center of the Torah.

What I mean: There is a strong energy NOT to discuss 666 as a main function of the torah. That's why there are such bogus entries in the encyclopedias concerning verse sections.

The revelation has a Alpha Omega method. It is built too on verse sections. Read the first against the last verse. The Polemics of the Revelation therefor becomes quite clear. But then we understand, why the church didn't want to discuss that topic. (And forced through the 'zensur' the editor of revelation offered nero as a bogus target)

Here is some Info:
The torah has 5847 verses in the ToK database (tradition says 5846 or 5845 verses)
Now i will show, that this number is a astronomical matrix

1948 (this is the Birthyear of Abraham)

3 x 1948 = 5844

1461 (this is a sothic cycle)

4 x 1461 = 5844

365,25 (thiis is a julian jear)

16 x 365,25 = 5844

583,92 (this is the synodic venus cicle)
10 x 583,92 = 5839

29,53 (synodic moon)
198 x 29,53 = 5847

532 (easter cycle 4 x 7 x 19)
11 x 532 = 5852 (this reflects the christian expansion of verses in the 10 commandments)

There are other cycles. Thy all have a area of convergence within the range of verses of the torah. That means: Versesectione represent time and mainly years.

Now contemplate this:
INRI (ans Old testament issua) has gematria 656 in its axpanded form
The book of joushua (which is part of the ToK) has 656 verses.
656 Years are the two temple distructions appart.
656 is a form of 1656 which is the year of the deluge following MT chronology
Now in the ToK The date of the deluge is connected with 586 BC.

Joshua - INRI - 656 - Johans preaching the wrath of the Lord.
Was this preacher using JOSHUA as a code?

Well I know, Gnostizism contributes a good part of the NT.
But those who discard the historizity of Jesus alltogether often bypass the extant jewish mystizism. (This too has it's reason).

When analyzing the torah through the ToK it becomes clear, that versesection and content are completely dependant, in a way that we must say: verse sections predate any extant bible text and must therefor have been part of the primary torah redaction.
The ToK itself contains a chronological system based on jewish jear recconing.
This ToK knows to date the first distruction, the new temple dedication and some events in the 6th century BC.
But the ToK knows nothing of events later that the 5th century.
With ONE exception: the 2dn destruction.

This too is a strong indicator that the ToK torah was written before the SamP and LXX but after the 'restitution' of a jewsh temple state.

So be aware that some scholarship is outright disinfo that keeps you from accepting some truth that can be demonstrated.

Question: Is there a special topic within your 'who wrote the bible' pages, that you feel we should discuss in that context?


By the way: I just rescan the adventures series:
There I found Frank threatening you by revealing to your daughter the state of the affairs.
What instantly came into my mind:
Frank himself was not a 'son of the STO father' and you yourself were for long not willing to aknowledge this.
So he built his threat upon his own false dedication.
Did you ever note that even threats of that kind reveal the inner state of the one who wants to threaten?

Thanks B.S.
 
EsoQuest said:
In Hebrew, Mercury is also the word for planet (Kokab), which implies as system of interconnecting bodies or one body connecting with another (in terms of messaging). In my opinion, the associations relate to the lower mind and the throat center, as well as interchanges and exchanges in the material world. Even stealing, business and banking are exchanges of sorts, all ruled by Hermes. That connections can be tampered with is indicated by the trickster or amoral nature of Hermes.
Which leads us to Bar Kochba, The Son of a Star.
When he started the war the jews were in the advent of a new abrahamic period.
(1948 years a abrahamic period)
2 mal 1948 = 3896 AM (jewish year) which equals 136 AD
Because there are three more verses in the torah than 3 x 1948 there is a debate wheter the new cycle started 137, 139 and 140, which might explain the twe year discrepancy between Censorinus and Claudius Ptolemaios [don't know why i tend to spell it 'Polemy'].
This might explain the funny sothic cycle discussion, because the abrahamic and the sothic cycle are as follows: 3 x 1948 = 4 x 1461.

So the sothic cycle discussion too is a hermetic discussion, always slightly wrong...

Now Rabbi Akiba (reminds Jakob = Israel) promotes the son of a star.
The gematria of Israel is a star number (i will explain that if needed)
So the Rabby who has a name associated with Jakob the star number promotes his own Son. And as we saw there was a Star-Discussion connected with the year of the new abrahamic period.


In astrology Twins and Aquarius are linked. But the Twins realm is the body (language, direct communication) and the negative aspect of it.

What a mess with etymology. It gives us such a wide spectrum of possible connections, that all becomes arguable or debatable.
When we deal with near east, we should not use 'hermes'....
(all be it this horma is a good assoziation. A horma is quite different from a bama. For instance the vally of achor is representativ of a horma. It helps conceal a certain location. Even the 'dabar' in a temple is in some sense a horma, a concealed place if you remember what deadly signs accompagne the ark )
....because i find the hermetic function within the nabiim (the prophets).
A prophet is for sure a hermetic messenger but here we cannot target a word 'hermes' within NE context.
I retire my suggestion of 'Ha Ramses' as too speculative. Else we should have some more traces in NE context.

Thanks B.S.
 
I just thought I'd throw this into the numerolgy stuff. Unless you have a specific reason, using the number 10 may be arbitrary because we use a 10 based system, while not all cultures have or do.

My $.02
 
joeshmoe said:
I just thought I'd throw this into the numerolgy stuff. Unless you have a specific reason, using the number 10 may be arbitrary because we use a 10 based system, while not all cultures have or do.
In this case there is a specific reason. The Hebrew aleph-beth is numerically linked to a base ten system. The first letter of the first ten is ten to the power of zero (the letter aleph) and the next nine letters form a sequence where each letter adds ten to the power of zero (which is the number 1) to the previous.

When the series reaches "saturation" at ten to the first power (equals 10), the sequence uses this as the additive factor, until a letter corresponding to ten to the second power is reached (100), and so on. The first letter/number of every transition is a link with the previous ten-based "harmonic" or power. Thus aleph is the primal cause within which all resides (the zero is a closed circle).

The number of aleph is 1, but it is also linked to zero through the corresponding power of base ten. The Golden Dawn confused this association by attributing the first card (The Fool) in the tarot sequence to zero, when it should be 1. Within the potential of the zeroth power lie the first nine letters, within the potential of the first power lie the next nine etc, and the letters associated with these power designations correspond to levels or harmonics of a total evolutionary sequence.

This ultimately ends in an implied but not traditionally used 28th letter called Grand Aleph (which has the same glyph as small aleph but larger), and which corresponds to the number 1000 or 10^3. Here we have the completion of three cycles, those of the ones, the tens and the hundreds.

That is if the letters themselves are "read" as a sequence of evolutionary creation from aleph to Grand Aleph. It may just be coincidence, but Grand Aleph seems to imply a fourth cycle (of thousands) and this may correspond to fourth density transition.
 
I Eye said:
1461 (this is a sothic cycle)
I gather you haven't read Secret History? Let me quote a bit about Sothic cycles:

I want to remind the reader of the problem defined by Gardner which was that the numbers of kings and years of reign given by the sources of Manetho result in “a stretch of 1590 years, over seven times the duration to which acceptance of the Sothic date in the El-Lahun papyrus has committed us.”

Gardner tells us why this just can’t be:

To abandon 1786 BC as the year when Dyn. XII ended would be to cast adrift from our only firm anchor, a course that would have serious consequences for the history, not of Egypt alone, but of the entire Middle East.326
Sothis: The Sharp Toothed

As it happens, all the archaeological dating in the Mediterranean has been suspended upon Egyptian chronology under the influence of foundations laid by believers in the Biblical chronology. What is more, all of their dates rely upon two major assumptions: the Sothic Cycle and the identification of the Egyptian King Shoshenq I with the Biblical King Shishak, the Egyptian ruler who came against Rehoboam and took “all” the treasures of Solomon’s Temple and “Solomon’s house.”

It is understood that Manetho only included 30 dynasties, the 31st being added later for the sake of completeness. However, the fact is, there are no original copies of The Egyptian History by Manetho. All we have of his work are excerpts cited by Josephus, the Jewish historian of the first century AD, and by two important Christian chronographers, Sextus Julius Africanus (3rd century AD), and Eusebius (4th century AD). George the Monk, Syncellus, used both Africanus and Eusebius extensively as his sources in his history of the world written in 800 AD. It is fairly easy to realize that all three of these men had agendas. We also note, once again, the period of time in which they were writing, and the fruits of their efforts in terms of the imposition of Christianity based on the platform of Judaism, the ultimate arbiter of the “you are doomed” linear view of Time.

It is regularly claimed that Egyptian chronology is based on “astronomical dating.” What does this mean? It actually means that Egyptian dating is based on a theory that the Egyptians used astronomical dating. But many people do not realize this and believe that Egyptian chronology is actually based on astronomy. The fact is there are astronomically fixed Near Eastern dates, but they are not Egyptian dates. Two Babylonian cuneiform tablets have been found, each one filled with an entire year of data on the sun, planets, and eclipses. These dates fix two years: part of 568 / 567 B.C. and part of 523 / 522 B.C. Those are our oldest astronomically fixed dates. There is one other older Near Eastern eclipse, noted by the Assyrians, which has enough partial data to fix it at one of two years: it applies either to 763 BC or 791 BC. But experts do not agree on which date this eclipse occurred.

When we dig even deeper into these dating assumptions, we find that the main peg upon which the assumptions are hung is called the “Sothic cycle.”

What is the Sothic cycle?

The experts tell us that the Egyptian civil year had 365 days - 3 seasons (Akhet, Peret, Shemu), 4 months each with 30 days per month. To this, they added 5 additional epagomenal days. Since the actual orbit of the earth around the sun takes 365 and about a quarter days, this calendar falls behind by one day every four years. Nowadays, we correct this by adding an extra day every four years in a “leap year.” However, if no calendar corrections are made, such a year would soon create significant problems (the experts say.) How the Egyptians dealt with this was a matter of some conjecture, and it was finally decided that they corrected their calendar every 1460 years at the time of the heliacal rising of Sirius.

Where did this idea come from?

Our information on the alleged Sothic cycle depends largely on the late classical writers Censorinus (ca. 238 AD) and Theon (379-395 AD). Sir William Flinders Petrie writes, referring to a table of purported observations of Sirius:

Now in going backward the first great datum that we meet is that on the back of the medical Ebers papyrus, where it is stated that Sirius rose on the 9th of Epiphi in the 9th year of Amenhotep I. As the 9th of Epiphi is 56 days before the 1st of Thoth, Sirius rose on that day at 4 X 56 years (224) before the dates at the head of the first column. As only 1322 B.C. can be the epoch here, so 1322 + 224 = 1546 B.C. for the 9th year of Amenhotep I, or 1554 B.C. for his accession. And as Aahmes I reigned 25 years, we reach 1579 B.C. for the accession of Aahmes and the beginning of the XVIIIth dynasty. This is not defined within a few years owing to four years being the equivalent of only one day’s shift; owing to the rising being perhaps observed in a different part of Egypt at different times; owing to various minor astronomical details. But this gives us 1580 B.C. as the approximate date for the great epoch of the rise of the XVIIIth dynasty. 327
We will soon discover that there is significant reason to discard the above dates, but for now, we can just notice that even with such a great system, Petrie - as did Gardner - is still having some problems here.

Before that we next find another Sirius rising and two seasonal dates in the XIIth dynasty, and an indication of a season in the VIth dynasty. The most exact of these early dates is a rising of Sirius on the 17th of Pharmuthi in the 7th year of Senusert III, on a papyrus from Kahun. This is now in Berlin, and was published by BORCHARDT in Zeits. Aeg. Spr., xxxvii, 99-101. This shows that the 17th of Pharmuthi then fell on July 21st, which gives the 7th year of Senusert III at 1874 or 3334 B.C. As he reigned probably to his 38th year, he died 1843 or 3303 B.C. Amenemhat III reigned 44 years by his monuments, Amenemhat IV 9 years, and Sebekneferu 4 years by the Turin papyrus; these reigns bring the close of the XIIth dynasty to 1786 or 3246 B.C. We have, then, to decide by the internal evidence of the monuments of the kings which of these dates is probable, by seeing whether the interval of the XIIIth to XVIIth dynasties was 1,786 - 1,580 = 206 years, or else 1,666 years. This question has been merely ignored hitherto, and it has been assumed by all the Berlin school that the later date is the only one possible, and that the interval was only 206 years.328
Please notice that this only other “Sirius rising” is dated to either 1874 or 3334 BC. That’s quite a jump. You would think that in all those thousands of years, if they observed this every year, they would write it down more often. But Petrie struggles on mightily to fit the square peg in the round hole:

Setting aside altogether for the present the details of the list of Manetho, let us look only to the monuments, and the Turin papyrus of kings, which was written with full materials concerning this age, with a long list of kings, and only two or three centuries later than the period in question. On the monuments we have the names of 17 kings of the XIIIth dynasty. In the Turin papyrus there are the lengths of reigns of 9 kings, amounting to 67 years, or 7 years each on an average. If we apply this average length of reign to only the 17 kings whose reigns are proved by monuments, we must allow them 120 years; leaving out of account entirely about 40 kings in the Turin papyrus, as being not yet known on monuments. Of the Hyksos kings we know of the monuments of three certainly; and without here adopting the long reigns stated by Manetho, we must yet allow at least 30 years for these kings. And in the XVIIth dynasty there are at least the reigns of Kames and Sekhent.neb.ra, which cover probably 10 years. […]This leaves us but 46 years, out of the 206 years, to contain 120 kings named by the Turin papyrus, and all the Hyksos conquest and domination, excepting 30 years named above.

This is apparently an impossible state of affairs; and those who advocate this shorter interval are even compelled to throw over the Turin papyrus altogether, and to say that within two or three centuries of the events an entirely false account of the period was adopted as the state history of the Egyptians.

This difficulty has been so great that many scholars in Germany, and every one in the rest of Europe, have declined to accept this view. If, however, the Sirius datum is to be respected, we should be obliged to allow either 206 or else 1,666 years between the XIIth and XVIIIth dynasties. As neither of these seemed probable courses, it has been thought that the Sirius datum itself was possibly in error, and here the matter has rested awaiting fresh evidence. 329
At this point, Petrie has almost fallen on his face on the very clue that would lead him out of the dilemma. To see him state it so clearly, and then just stumble on in the dark is almost painful.

What do I mean? I mean that perhaps Sothis is not Sirius. And perhaps the “Sothic Cycle” was something altogether different.

To be clear, let’s look at these assumptions. First, it is assumed that a Sothic calendar was used in Egypt. We do not know that for a fact. We only know it because Censorinus said so. Censorinus wrote his idea rather late to be considered so great an authority. He was a Roman living in the third century AD who wrote de Die Natali, a work on ancient methods of computing time. What is more, Censorinus was highly praised by Cassiodorus, a converted Christian of about two centuries later, so we discover here that Censorinus’ work was very likely preserved because it was “approved,” while other works that may have contradicted his ideas may be lost to us.

The next big problem is the assumption of the beginning date of the Sothic cycle of 1,460-years. Again, Censorinus’ word was accepted despite the endless problems this assumption has created. As it happens, when one begins to investigate the issue more thoroughly, it is found that the dates based on this theoretical Sothic calendar do not agree with one another.330

In the end, we find that the most fundamental problem of all is that it is an assumption of modern Egyptologists that the word they have translated in the observations listed above - spd.t - is even Sirius at all!

A lot of people are sure that this is exactly what the Egyptians meant, but the fact is, no one really knows this for sure! The word that is translated as Sothis could have been something else! Another point is that, in the context above, it is not even certain what “rising” means. It could mean a star, or it could mean the rising of the river. It could also mean a ceremony that was to be conducted called the “Raising of Sothis.”

As we discussed in a previous chapter regarding observational astronomy, Sirius rises in the sky from any given vantage point once every 24 hours, but it cannot be seen during those times when the sun is in the sky. The so-called heliacal rising of Sirius would have to occur at least 36 minutes before the sun comes up in order to be seen, which presupposes a rather accurate time keeping method, which obviates the entire argument about a Sothic cycle to begin with.

Although it has been made the keystone of the absolute dating of ancient history, the chronology of ancient Egypt rests on a host of unproven assumptions. The whole structure is rendered even more shaky by the lateness and the fragmentary nature of most of the literary sources which are crucial for providing a skeleton for Egyptian chronology.

As noted, the basic organization of Egyptian history around 31 dynasties begins from the work of Manetho compiled in the 3rd century BC. Manetho’s records are supplemented and corrected by records recovered from the ancient monuments and archeological excavations of Egypt. Manetho’s work survives only in quotation. John Brug writes in The Astronomical Dating of Ancient History before 700 AD:

The use of astronomical calculations to decipher references to this Sothic cycle in ancient Egyptian records forms the foundation of all ancient chronology. Censorinus says:

‘The moon is not relevant to the “great year” of the Egyptians which we call the “Year of the Dog” in Greek and the “Year of the Little-Dog” in Latin, because it begins when the constellation or star “Little-Dog” [allegedly the modern Canis Major or Sirius] rises on the first day of the month which the Egyptians call “Thouth”. For their civil year has only 365 days without any intercalation. Thus a quadrennium among them is about one day shorter than the natural quadrennium, thus it is 1461 years before this “year” returns to the same beginning point. This “year” is called “heliacal” by some and “the divine year” by others.’ (Censorinus, De Die Natali, ch. 18, my translation).
Censorinus’ statement certainly is not exhaustive. It gives us little information about how this “great year” was used or when it came into use. It is certainly open to debate how applicable this description of the Egyptian calendar and astronomy is to the 2nd and 3rd millennia BC. It does not address the issue of changes in the nature of the Egyptian calendar which may have occurred over the millennia. We have no definite proof that the Egyptians were aware of dating long eras by the Sothic cycle in the 2nd millennium BC. Even if we grant that they did, we have no certain knowledge of the date when any Sothic cycle began.

Most historians presently accept the claim that Censorinus places the beginning of a Sothic cycle in about 140 AD and by extension in 1320 BC, 2780 BC and perhaps 4240 B.C. Censorinus says:

‘As among us so also among the Egyptians a number of “eras” are referred to in their literature, such as that which they call “of Nabonnasar” which began from the first year of his reign, which was 986 years ago. Another is called “of Philip” which is counted from the death of Alexander the Great which was 562 years ago. But the beginning of these is always from the first day of the month which the Egyptians call Thoth, which this year fell on the 7th day before the Calends of July [June 25], 100 years ago when Emperor Antoninus Pius was consul for the second time, and Bruttius Praesens was the other consul, the same day fell on the 12th [corrected to the 13th ] day before the Calends of August [July 21, corrected to July 20] at which time the “Little-Dog” usually rises in Egypt. Therefore it is possible to know that of that great year, which as I wrote above is called “solar” or “of the Little-Dog” or the “divine year,” now the hundredth year has passed. I have noted the beginnings of these years lest anyone think that they begin from January 1 or some other time, since the starting points chosen by the originators of these years are no less diverse than the opinions of philosophers. For that reason the natural year is said to begin by some at the new sun, that is the winter solstice, by others at the summer solstice, by others at the vernal equinox and by others at the autumnal equinox, by some at the rising of the Pleiades and by some at their setting, by many at the rising of “the Dog.”‘ (Censorinus, Ch. 21, my translation).
Again it is noteworthy how little Censorinus actually says and how much is deduced from his statement.

Censorinus is writing not to establish a system of chronology, but to discuss various dates for New Years Day in different cultures. He gives no specific date as the starting point for a Sothic Cycle as he does for the other eras which he mentions. All he does is give the date of the Julian calendar on which the first of Thoth fell in the year of his writing, which is well established as 238 or 239 AD and one hundred years earlier in 139 AD. In 238 AD the first of Thoth fell on about June 25 Julian. One hundred years earlier it fell on about July 20, which is the date The Little-Dog (supposedly Sothis) usually rises in Egypt. He seems to be referring to a conventional method of dating more than to an actual observation of the rising of Sothis on that date. […]

Besides lack of agreement of the time when a Sothic cycle began, this theory also faces other uncertainties. It is not certain how long a Sothic cycle lasts since there are other astronomic variables involved besides the precise length of the solar year. Calculations of the Sothic cycle have ranged from 1423 to 1506 years.
We do not know for sure with which star or constellation Sothis should be identified for all periods of Egyptian history. It is generally accepted that Sothis is the star which we call Sirius, although none of the sources gave any evidence for this from before classical times. Porphry in De Antro Nym harum says, “Near Cancer is Sothis which the Greeks call the Dog.” Solinus Polyhistor says that this star rises between July 19-21.

In Chapter 21 of his work, concerning Isis and Osiris, Plutarch says, “The soul of Isis is called ‘Dog’ by the Greeks and the soul of Horus is called Orion.” Since Sothis is identified with Isis in other Egyptian texts, and Sirius is called the Dog in Greek, we conclude that Sothis is the star which we-call Sirius. However there are a number of difficulties. At least the second half of Plutarch’s statement appears to be in error, because Orion is usually associated with Osiris not Horus. According to some Egyptologists Egyptian astronomical names did not always remain attached to the same celestial object. Osiris was first associated with Venus; later Osiris was associated with Jupiter. The planet Venus, which was first identified with Osiris, was later identified with Isis. Sometimes “right eye” is a title of Isis-Hathor, sometimes it is a title of the sun.

Plutarch also identifies Osiris with the constellation which the Greeks call Argo. The hieroglyphic triangle which represents Sothis also appears to represent the zodiacal light, and the Egyptians apparently knew both an Isis-Sothis and a Horus-Sothis. The term wp rnpt which refers to the rising of Sothis, also refers to the beginning of the civil year and the birthday of the king. Even the Greek word “Sirius” is not always attached to the same celestial object. Similar shifts and uncertainties apply to the identification of ancient astronomical names in general, for example, the constellations in Job.

According to the English astronomer Poole, Sirius was not on the horizon coincident with the rising of the sun on the Egyptian New Year’s Day in 140 BC, the date specified by Censorinus and those who follow him. Macnaughton set up a chronology based on the supposition that Sothis was Spica, not Sirius, as a way around this difficulty. Canopus and Venus are other candidates that have been suggested, perhaps less plausibly. Kenneth Brecher has revived the doubts about identifying the bright star referred to in records as Sothis/the Dog/Sirius with the star we call Sirius today. Babylonian and Roman sources as late as Ptolemy all call “Sirius” a red star. Seneca says it is redder than Mars. In his star catalog Ptolemy refers to the bright red star in the face of the Dog. He links Sirius with red stars like Aldebaran and Arcturus.

The star which we presently call Sirius is not a red star. No theory of stellar evolution offers any explanation for how a red star could become white in 2000 years, although much speculation has centered around possible changes in the companion star which is part of Sirius. There is a flaw either in our identification of Sothis as our Sirius, in the ancients’ observations, in our translation of their texts, or in present theories of stellar evolution, which must be based more on computer analysis than on observation.

One explanation which has been offered is that the red color refers to the star only as observed in heliacal rising near the horizon. Perhaps “red” simply means “bright” or “beautiful” as it does in Akkadian or Russian. At any rate, we can say that there is at least some question about the identification of Sothis as our star Sirius, and a thorough re-study of the pertinent Egyptian and Greek astronomical terms would be valuable.331
Despite all of the problems and reasons to discard the entire chronology based on the Sothic dating in conjunction with the Biblical chronology, all of Egyptian chronology is based on this Sothic cycle inferred from Censorinus, even if there has been much argument about when said cycle is supposed to have begun. In the absence of any real evidence, the experts decided on one set of dates (1320 B.C. to A.D.141) as the cycle, and proclaimed it as the standard for the setting of ancient dates.

Quite a number of Egyptologists have rejected the theory of the Sothic cycle entirely. What is more, the theoretical sothic cycle does not agree with radiocarbon dating, even if we already have an idea that radiometric dating methods have their own problems. For dates within certain ranges, these problems have been adjusted with tree-ring calibration.

Another controversial item of Sothic dating is the so-called “era of Menophres.” This discussion is based on a statement in the late classical writer, Theon who says:

On the 100th year of the era of Diocletian, concerning the rising of the Dog, because of the pattern we received from the era of Menophres to the end of the age of Augustus the total of the elapsed years was 1605.
Many attempts have been made to identify Theon’s Menophres. Menophres has been identified as the city Memphis or one of a number of pharaohs. Merneptah, Seti I, Harmhab, and Ramses I are among the candidates that have been suggested. There is simply not enough evidence to draw any firm conclusions about the meaning of this text.

Otto Neugebauer began the ten-page section on Egypt in his later History of Ancient Mathematical Astronomy with the provocative sentence, “Egypt has no place in a work on the history of mathematical astronomy.”332

Did you catch that? Neugebauer is telling us that the Egyptians were scientifically illiterate. He read and examined everything. All the Egyptologists who were inculcated into the belief of the superiority of Egyptian science were sending him their papyri and inscriptions from tombs and monuments. All the things that are so difficult to get hold of nowadays were sent to Neugebauer. And what did Neugebauer say?

Mathematics and astronomy played a uniformly insignificant role in all periods of Egyptian history. […]

The fact that Egyptian mathematics has preserved a relatively primitive level makes it possible to investigate a stage of development which is no longer available in so simple a form, except in the Egyptian documents.

To some extent Egyptian mathematics has had some, though rather negative, influence on later periods. Its arithmetic was widely based on the use of unit fractions, a practice which probably influenced the Hellenistic and Roman administrative offices and thus spread further into other regions of the Roman empire. […]

The influence of this practice is visible even in works of the stature of the Almagest, where final results are often expressed with unit fractions in spite of the fact that the computations themselves were carried out with sexagesimal fractions. […]

And this old tradition doubtless contributed much to restricting the sexagesimal place value notation to a purely scientific use.

It would be quite out of proportion to describe Egyptian geometry here at length. It suffices to say that we find in Egypt about the same elementary level we observed in contemporary Mesopotamia.

The role of Egyptian mathematics is probably best described as a retarding force upon numerical procedures. Egyptian astronomy had much less influence on the outside world for the very simple reason that it remained through all its history on an exceedingly crude level which had practically no relations to the rapidly growing mathematical astronomy of the Hellenistic age. Only in one point does the Egyptian tradition show a very beneficial influence, that is, in the use of the Egyptian calendar by the Hellenistic astronomers. This calendar is, indeed, the only intelligent calendar which ever existed in human history. A year consists of 12 months of 30 days each and five additional days at the end of each year.

A second Egyptian contribution to astronomy is the division of the day into 24 hours, through these hours were originally not of even length, but were dependent on the seasons. […]

Lunar calendars played a role since early times side by side with the schematic civil calendar of the 365-day year. An inscription of the Middle Kingdom mentions “great” and “small” years, and we know now that the “great” years were civil years which contained 13 new moon festivals in contrast to the ordinary “small” years with only 12 new moons. The way these intercalations were regulated, at least in the latest period, is shown by the Demotic text.

This Demotic text contains a simple periodic scheme which is based on the fact that 25 Egyptian civil years (which contain 9125 days) are very nearly equal to 309 mean lunar months. These 309 months are grouped by our text into 16 ordinary years of 12 lunar months, and 9 “great” years of 13 months. Ordinarily two consecutive lunar months are given 59 days by our scheme, obviously because of the fact that one lunar month is close to 29 ½ days long. But every 5th year the two last months are made 60 days long. This gives for the whole 25 year cycle the correct total of 9125 days.

Since at this period all astronomical computations were carried out in the sexagesimal system, at least as far as fractions are concerned, the equinoctial hours were divided sexagesimally. Thus our present division of the day into 24 hours of 60 minutes each is the result of a Hellenistic modification of an Egyptian practice combined with Babylonian numerical procedures.

Finally, we have to mention the decans. […] The decans are the actual reason for the 12 division of the night and hence, in the last analysis, of the 24 hour system. Again, in Hellenistic times the Egyptian decans were brought into a fixed relation to the Babylonian zodiac which is attested in Egypt only since the reign of Alexander’s successors. In this final version the 36 decans are simply the thirds of the zodiacal signs, each decan representing 10 degrees of the ecliptic. Since the same period witnesses the rapid development of astrology, the decans assumed an important position in astrological lore and in kindred fields such as alchemy, the magic of stones and plants and their use in medicine. In this disguise the decans reached India, only to be returned in still more fantastic form to the Muslims and the West. […]

[In the decans] we have not a calendar but a star clock. The user of this list would know the hour of night by the rising of the decan which is listed in the proper decade of the month. […]

We call this phenomenon the “heliacal rising” of S, using a term of Greek astronomy. [...]

It is this sequence of phenomena which led the Egyptians to measure the time of night by means of stars, which we now call decans. This was intended to devise some method of indicating the times of office for the nightly service in the temples, (and other practical reasons.) Just as the months were divided into decades, so were the services of the hour-stars. For 10 days, S indicated the last hour of night, then the next star for the next ten days, and so on. […]

All this was, in fact, taken into account by the inventors of the decanal hours, as can be demonstrated by the terminal section of the “diagonal calendars” on the coffin lids. […]

By the time of the New Kingdom, the usefulness of the decans as indicators of hours had ceased. […] The decans held a secure position as representatives of the decades of the year in the decoration of astronomical ceilings, as in the tomb of Senmut or in the cenotaph of Seti I. In this form, they continued to exist until their association with the zodiac of the Hellenistic period revived them and made them powerful elements of astrological doctrine.

The coffins with the “diagonal calendars” belong roughly to the period from 2100 BC to 1800 BC. […]

Astronomical accuracy was nowhere seriously attempted in these documents. […]

In summary, from the almost three millennia of Egyptian writing, the only texts which have come down to us and deal with a numerical prediction of astronomical phenomena belong to the Hellenistic or Roman period. None of the earlier astronomical documents contains mathematical elements; they are crude observational schemes, partly religious, partly practical in purpose.

Ancient science was the product of a very few men; and these few happened not to be Egyptians.333
It seems that we have learned several things from Neugebauer’s examination of the texts of the various papyri, tomb inscriptions, monuments, calendars, and so forth. One of the most important things we have learned is that the Egyptians did, indeed, correct their calendar every five years, similar to what we do every four years with our leap year. This naturally makes the idea of the Sothic cycle irrelevant in terms of calendrical reconciliation. We also begin to understand some of the totally incomprehensible sayings of the Pyramid Texts. They were recitations of prayers and magical spells that had to be performed at a certain “moment” in the night, and the only way to determine time at night was by the stars. According to Neugebauer, there are sufficient numbers of these star clocks in tombs to confirm this idea.

Next we note that Neugebauer tells us that the only texts which have come down to us and deal with a numerical prediction of astronomical phenomena belong to the Hellenistic or Roman period and in Hellenistic times the Egyptian decans were brought into a fixed relation to the Babylonian zodiac which is attested in Egypt only since the reign of Alexander’s successors.

In other words, the “occult secrets” generally attributed to the Egyptians, must actually belong to the Greeks.

However, there is something just a little bit deeper here that I would like to point out. As Neugebauer says, the Egyptians of historical times were really scientifically illiterate. So much so that their influence was inhibiting upon mathematics and science. But we still have that most astonishing fact that they came up with what Neugebauer declares to be the most sensible calendar ever devised. Even the Babylonians, whose mathematics sends Neugebauer into raptures, did not have so clever a calendar. We find ourselves asking: where did the Egyptians get this calendar?
Now, this is just a bit of discussion on one of the "points" of your system. I'm afraid I will have to put off discussion on some of the others since I am currently working on a book that exposes some rather amazing discoveries I have made about Moses. Can't tell 'til the book is finished. A hint: Title is "The Horns of Moses."
 
@ Laura

I did not read 'Secret History' but I realise that this chapter is essentially a rewrite of one of your earlier papers 'Decline and Fall of the Sothic Cycle' (which was essentially the title of John Bruggs paper) which I read 3 or 4 years ago and which led me to the works of John Brugg, Censorinus (in it's extant text) and others .

It doesn't seem that Neugebauers thesis that egyptians intercalated all 5 years is accepted today.
What we know: against the decree of Ptolemy the egyptians still continued in the old fashion. So it is supposed that during the late era (past 1000 BC) there was no such intercallation and the 365 year is ok. So writers during tha classic era assumed a 365 day year in egypt and were not rivaled.

The question arises: How did the sothic cycle appear as a intercalation system?
My answer is: It did evolve outside egypt as a helpfull system during the persian period.
It was a device for chronologers to compare egyptian and solar years when dealing with chronological egyptian data.
Clearly we find the sothic principle in the torah structure, so it must have been established as an intercalary system in the persian period.
But I confirm: Sothic cycles played no role as calendrical system for the egyptians themselves.

I understand that you cannot engage in this discussion yourself. Others will do and I want to rethink the other transcripts first. (I for myself aught to finish my book)


@ EsoQuest

Indeed Hebrew numerals show a decimal system.
Aleph - Yud - Qof
Beit - Kaf - Reisch
...

It is therefor not too far fetched to transform 10 5 6 5 into 1 5 6 5
But i admit that I do not have another precendence for this in early times.
I would be thankful if anyone knows such a one.


SOTHIC CYCLE ADD

This is a small add which demonstrates the esteem of the sothic cycle in christian chronology.

Byzantene reconing knew the year 5508 as the birth of Jesus
Let's assume that this is rather connected to the 'Cruzi-Fiction' as a astronomical determinative.
Let's assume that this was meant to be 32 AD in our references following the NT history.

7000 – 5508 – 32 + 1 (no year Zero) = 1461 (a sothic period)
In other words: The era of christ up unto the cosumption of gods 7000 years would be a full sothic cycle.

This naturaly does not realy explain the rise of this cycle.

But another example should make us aware how strongly christian chronologies were linked to jewish chronology.

Dionysius Exiguus fashioned the christian era based on the number 1948 (abrahamic cycle)
in such a way:

MT chronicle
abraham 1948
isaak 2048
jakob 2108
in egypt 2238
out of egypt 2668 (430 years)
Israel entering Kaanan 2708

This was the first fictional conquest

3000 years later:

5708 = 1948 AD this was the real zionist conquest

Now it happens that we say: the first temple burnt 586 BC
Yerusalem has the gematria 586. ( Y R V S L M )

I do not know which of the two statements was primary for D.E. but I would opt for the first one.

Now we see Dionysius work based on jewish scripture.
Byzantene reconning (or the precursory chronographer) based the year on the sothic cycle
Theon discussed the sothic cycle.

It might be, that the sothic cycle discussion was much inspired by the metacycles in the torah.

ADDENDUM torah cycles.

4 x 1461 = 3 x 1948 = 12 x 487 = 5844

Now it happens that the ToK Database has three more verses: 5847

lets suppose that the 12 x 487 are somewhat linked to the TWELVE (the tribes).
But we have thirteen (Joseph is split in Manasse & Ephraim).
In other words: the ToK does not end with 5 Mo but integrates Josua too which has 656 verses.

Let us reconn as follows :
13 x 487 = 6331.

Now I said; the ToK has 3 more verses:

12 x 487 + 3 + 487 = 6334

Does anyone see the numero-theosophi(sti)cal meaning of this number:

7000 - 666 = 6334

So again we have gods days and the mark (or fixation-symbol) which is linked to the expanded ToK (1-5Mo + Jos).

THESIS:
First: Under the persians the sothic cycle was simply a device for intercalation for chronographers/administration outside egypt.
Second: when the torah was 'compiled' with text und verse sections during the late persian era, the sothic cycle became a mystical device within a plan, to MAKE biblical story true in the future.
What we then see in historical discussions (Censorinus Theon etc...) are the results of these influences.

Concerning Censorinus.
Sometimes it is very suspicious what someone conceals. Did anyone ever note how this auther who compares a lot of different chronological bases or ideas never ever mentions the jews ???
censorinus deals with romans, etruscians, egyptians, the Chaldees (marginally) and the philosophers.
All his materials are somewhat linked to 'De die natale'. Since his aim is anything else but the human normal gestation period one must guess that the day or times he discusses are connected with something he conceals. Censorinus does not say, what he wants to show in the end. But applying his pythagolabyrinthian thoughts, astronomical hints at triangles and squares (3 and 4) and the sothic cycle would naturally encourage to link his sothic cycle to end up with 1948 which is essentially a 'birthday' (Abraham following MT).
That's the problem with isolating Censorinus words about the sothic cycle and bypassing the nature of his complete book, which needs a careful consideration. (I am aware John Brugg said the same with an complete different intention to his readers)


Back now to the ark, the torah and the C's (next post)
 
The I-Eye said:
It is therefor not too far fetched to transform 10 5 6 5 into 1 5 6 5
But i admit that I do not have another precendence for this in early times.
I would be thankful if anyone knows such a one.
In terms of Hebrew letter transcriptions the above transformation corresponds to the following:

The sequence 10-5-6-5 corresponds to the tetragrammaton IHVH.
The sequence 1-5-6-5 corresponds to the four letter word AHVH, which is described in the context of a larger phrase AHVH AShR AHVH (I AM THAT I AM).

The gematria of the IHVH is 26 and that of AHVH is 17. Both amount to 8 and may be considered two harmonics of the same essence. The 8 is the number of the letter Cheth signifying a border or boundary, which can be considered a defining function. If one considers the Tarot card "The Fool" to be numbered as 1 and corresponding to Aleph, then Cheth corresponds to the card "The Chariot".

For IHVH, we have Yah or the living Yod in living connection (or fertilizing life), and for AHVH we have Ayhe or the living Aleph in the same connection.

Specifically, 26 corresponds to the letters KV, which means "to be firm", "to stand upright". The 17 corresponds to the letters IZ, which is "spider", "door frame", "window". These can be considered images of the states of being they represent. (If I am not mistaken both these four letter words are designations of the verb "to be").
 

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