AS ABOVE SO BELOW

[Faith]

AS ABOVE SO BELOW


Now that I 've learned a bit about psychology, the narcissistic dynamics within society, psychological abuse, the programmes of the false personality and the underdeveloped true essence -- I wonder, if the external, technological progress like hard- and software, computers and programmes, machines, cars, aircrafts, trains, tanks, spaceships and satellites, the great powers of a futuristic humanity -- if these can be interpreted analogue to the state of a single human, which means, that this great technological success would be nothing more than the false personality of humanity. It seems to me, that we are violent animals in space suits, armed with heavy bones made of metal, circuitry and light. There seems to be hardly an essential progress! Instead we let ourselves be blinded by the external, technological progress: "They spoke of such novelties as ‘civilization’, when really they were only a feature of enslavement". (Cornelius Tacitus -- Roman Empire)

:P Just a thought.

 

[truth seeker]

Yes, my current understanding is that as machines, we can only produce other machines. Everything we are and can create is from a subjective point of view. It can be no other way.

"Man is a machine. All his deeds, actions, words, thoughts, feelings, convictions,
opinions, and habits are the results of external influences, external impressions. Out of
himself a man cannot produce a single thought, a single action. Everything he says,
does, thinks, feels—all this happens. Man cannot discover anything, invent anything.
It all happens..."

 

[Al Today]

[...] It can be no other way. [...]

Perhaps, but I cannot hold such an absolute view. I subscribe to the view (hope) that all is possible.

 

[Eboard10]

AS ABOVE SO BELOW


Now that I 've learned a bit about psychology, the narcissistic dynamics within society, psychological abuse, the programmes of the false personality and the underdeveloped true essence -- I wonder, if the external, technological progress like hard- and software, computers and programmes, machines, cars, aircrafts, trains, tanks, spaceships and satellites, the great powers of a futuristic humanity -- if these can be interpreted analogue to the state of a single human, which means, that this great technological success would be nothing more than the false personality of humanity. It seems to me, that we are violent animals in space suits, armed with heavy bones made of metal, circuitry and light. There seems to be hardly an essential progress! Instead we let ourselves be blinded by the external, technological progress: "They spoke of such novelties as ‘civilization’, when really they were only a feature of enslavement". (Cornelius Tacitus -- Roman Empire)

:P Just a thought.

I believe you meant "As within so without", or more appropriately "As without so within" when it comes to the mechanical side of humans:

"Man is a machine. All his deeds, actions, words, thoughts, feelings, convictions,
opinions, and habits are the results of external influences, external impressions. Out of
himself a man cannot produce a single thought, a single action. Everything he says,
does, thinks, feels—all this happens. Man cannot discover anything, invent anything.
It all happens..."

 

[truth seeker]

[...] It can be no other way. [...]

Perhaps, but I cannot hold such an absolute view. I subscribe to the view (hope) that all is possible.

Just to clarify, this doesn't mean that without working on ourselves that this cannot change. As far as those who are not doing the work, I don't think that anything can be produced that is not some extension of ourselves if we can't find a way to let go of our identification with the subjective. I could be wrong.

 

[pirataloko]

Actually we are living in a technological world, but the human race has known others ways in the past.

Technology is not bad or evil itself, how we use it, and how we develop it, is what really matters.

Don't forget that we live in a STS world, so it's quite probably that the way we use and develop it is not the best one for our own interest.

The good news are that this way to live will end at some point, and perhaps the next step in technology could be developed and used in a diferent way.

 

[Faith]

I believe you meant "As within so without", or more appropriately "As without so within" when it comes to the mechanical side of humans:

Ja, this is also true: 'As without so within' and 'As above so below' -- I have allways been fascinated by analogies and meta-levels: (w)holistic patterns or fractals. I believe our ancestors knew a great deal about those.

The good news are that this way to live will end at some point, and perhaps the next step in technology could be developed and used in a different way.

I hope you are right. :/ I hope we won't face an end-of-days-scenario in the near future: new ice-age, alien-invasion, deep impact, Das Vierte Reich (the fourth reich) or whatever. Now that we can see the silver lining, it would be a tragedy if we'd run out of time. We just need a little more time. We could alter the ponerized civilisation from within like a virus, if we'd just get another chance and enough time. I really hope we get another chance.

 

[Faith]

What about the eneagram from before-ancient times? Gurdjieff speaks about it. I don't understand it. It seems to be an animated pattern, sort of amorphous symbol with altering meanings, unreadable for the lesser men. It seems that humanity suffered severe amnesia. What we might discover, is what someone very, very old has left behind -- the old is the new. It's wired.

I go jogging every now and then. When I am watching nature, all these beautiful flowers and trees passing by, blooming in spring, glowing colors -- I feel sad. When I am listening to the birds, when I am watching the mice in the undergrowth, a sudden deer watching my moves, listening to the noise I make -- I feel sad. When I am watching the fields and rivers, the woods and forest tracks, the clouds and the rays of light -- I feel sad, because it all might end some day. They don't know.



EDIT: I added a feeling.