Asteroid Itys: ELE danger?

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Comment by carefix on the SOTT.net article by Nathan Rao, "Black Death was 'triggered by asteroid impact and could reoccur today', scientist claims" (Laura has already written about this in her books):

Apophis is a mere tiddler. You need to keep an eye out for Itys which is due in this year. Hopefully Itys will again not chose to stay as it represents a >1 million megaton event and possibly a 10 million megaton event or a billion Hiroshima bombs. Itys can be recognised by its dark head which is fringed at the front and sides with ruddy orange flame. Itys creates a flickering ruddy light at night exceeding the illumination of a full moon, the size will vary with its elevation but low on the horizon it will appear about the size of the moon, overhead about the size of a fist at arms length, more if it is deflected by lunar gravity. Itys always travels from south to north when in the Earth's atmosphere. The likely time of appearance is about 8:30pm local time. My best estimate for date is anytime from now until late August with late May optimum.

Itys will remove all fears about the black death.

carefix describes him/herself thus:
Physicist with an unwanted interest in a large asteroid currently threatening an Extinction Level Event to Earth

Is there someone who can comment on carefix's comment about this Asteroid Itys scenario? Could it in any way be connected to the pending disaster (though the C's do not see a disaster as a disaster) implied by the C's after the economic collapse, something that will need some time to develop (or arrive)? The time, between now and August or maybe late May, for the arrival of Itys seems about right? Local time 8:30 pm (UK?). Carefix's last remark suggests that all life will be extinct, nobody will be left to fear anything - it will be a full ELE.

Just wondering.
 
Ynna said:
Is there someone who can comment on carefix's comment about this Asteroid Itys scenario? Could it in any way be connected to the pending disaster (though the C's do not see a disaster as a disaster) implied by the C's after the economic collapse, something that will need some time to develop (or arrive)? The time, between now and August or maybe late May, for the arrival of Itys seems about right? Local time 8:30 pm (UK?). Carefix's last remark suggests that all life will be extinct, nobody will be left to fear anything - it will be a full ELE.

Carefix has been going on about this for some time. As far as I can find online, there is only one source for this ELE ('extinction level event') asteroid named 'Itys': carefix himself.

He kept leaving all these cryptic comments under SOTT articles on comets, fireballs, etc, so I asked him to point me to any sources on this 'Itys'. He sent me 'documentary evidence' in the form of a sketch of 'the mega-asteroid Itys' - as seen by him from Kent, England, in May 2007 (see attached).

Carefix's understanding of cometary phenomena is dubious to say the least. He gets extremely irate at SOTT whenever we post videos or articles about meteor fireballs that are visible for more than 1-3 seconds because, he says, anything longer than that is "physically impossible."
 

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Thanks, Niall, for the background information on Carefix. I looked up the source for the sketch, it is a company in Japan - Photonic Systems Solutions. Didn't tell me anything. I also could not find any information on an asteroid named Itys, so I thought I would ask here. Thank you for your feedback.
 
Ynna said:
I looked up the source for the sketch, it is a company in Japan - Photonic Systems Solutions.

I doubt it's that one. It's 'Ltd', so it's British, so it's probably this one: http://companycheck.co.uk/company/03094169
 
Ynna quote:
I looked up the source for the sketch, it is a company in Japan - Photonic Systems Solutions.

Niall quote:
I doubt it's that one. It's 'Ltd', so it's British, so it's probably this one: http://companycheck.co.uk/company/03094169

Yes, I am sure you are right. Well, if Carefix won't give more information on "asteroid Itys", it is probably a made-up thing and we'll just let it go.
 
Ynna,

Photonic Systems Solutions Limited was a company of which I was director for a few years. It was struck off (i.e. closed by me) about two years ago.


Quote" Carefix's understanding of cometary phenomena is dubious to say the least. He gets extremely irate at SOTT whenever we post videos or articles about meteor fireballs that are visible for more than 1-3 seconds because, he says, anything longer than that is "physically impossible.""

This is not true. I am not sure of the source. I am a physicist with a PhD and a fist degree in atrophysics. My big problem with SoTT is they regularly post photos of aircraft contrails and call them comets. I have never said meteors cannot be visible for more than 3 seconds. Indeed Itys (which has now been seen five times to my knowledge) is usually visible for up to about 16 seconds (assuming clouds and other objects like mountains do not get in the way). I do not make cryptic comments. I call contrails, contrails. That is all. I do get irritated by SoTT for their continued posting of this garbage.

That I am the only source on Itys is not strictly true although only two people I know of realised that it is a quote: "...giant space rock". As distance clues are not obvious to the untrained it looks to them like a fairly harmless object. That is far from the truth.

Quote: "He kept leaving all these cryptic comments under SOTT articles on comets, fireballs, etc, so I asked him to point me to any sources on this 'Itys'. He sent me 'documentary evidence' in the form of a sketch of 'the mega-asteroid Itys' - as seen by him from Kent, England, in May 2007 (see attached)."

I guess this is Niall, I sent lots of Info and somebody (I presume Niall) declined to publish it on SoTT. One of the problems when it comes to dealing with people who see Itys is they do not like to come forward for fear of ridicule even the guy who shouted down the phone to me "It's a giant space rock". I was at the time trying to dissuade him from his view by way of a test. As it was I knew he spoke the truth - for involved reasons. Since trying to falsify in this manner he refuses to talk to me. He seems to think I don't believe him. The opposite is true. I was testing him to make sure he wasn't just some random nut-job. In any case falsification is central to the scientific method. You have to do this.

The problem with Itys now it appears in the conspiracy theory space as though it is a dreamed up whacko wind-up. That is in part my fault and the reason I have done this is:

1) In the hope that joe average might report sightings and now be able to tell the difference between a modest fireball and a mega-asteroid.
2) I got absolutely sick of the mindless gimboids in the NEO community who are completely blind to the possibility of there being such a thing as a NEO! These people are far more religious that the bible asteroid prophecy nuts and the Nibiru nut-jobs. Sounds strange but it is horribly true. (Note there is a possibility of a large dark star or giant planet disturbing the Oort cloud from time to time).

I think that practically it is now unlikely that our glorious and brainless leaders will be able to do anything about Itys. At one stage it was possible but now it is too late.

Anway, update. I recently found a report about an object that was seen last year over North America. I contacted the poster of the sighting who did not reply to my queries. The key thing is the head was reported as "black" and "dark" and the tail as smokey and white "smokey/white". Someone has posted the sketch I sent on this page somewhere. This is not only a dead giveaway it also turned up when I predicted it would be most likely (although 2015 was possible) which was originally in the fall of last year. Shame I missed it at first. The sighter is likely to be a good observer and honest.

Anyway, I now have enough data to do some calculations. First I worked out the deceleration of Itys each time it passes through the atmosphere as a function of size. From this I can estimate the minimum possible size and altitude. It turns out that (without checking excatly) Itys could actually be smaller than I first thought, perhaps as small as 3km diameter @ 35 miles altitude. This is seriously good news as it is not an Earth killer so there will be some survivors when the impact occurs. Itys travels much slower than the 30miles/sec of a solar system inbound comet. It is travelling about 10.5 miles a second so the energy relased on impact will be about a ninth of the energy released by a comet of a similar size.

The period I can now work out since the appearance of Itys in 2002 as: 4Y 9m, 4Y 3W, 3Y 2m 5d. Note the huge reduction in apparent period. This leaves me to believe the period will reduce by about a year this time around so I am now expecting the next closest approach (fly by) in the second half of next year, Aug/Sept. Unfortunately there is a significant chance of a lunar perturbation of the orbit and a consequent impact about then though my data is by no means hard enough to do other than estimate a 5% chance of the worst case.

When the endless beaurocracy that afflicts my life lets up enough I am going to begin work on the dynamic three body orbital mechanics that will enable me to better estimate an upper size limit.

There may be other stuff I need to correct so I may post more.

Note that no fireball has a live black tail which turns incandescent way behind the head. This is an asteroid of large size punching its way through the upper atmosphere.
 
It did rather surprise me to see the small decelerations to which Itys would be subjected to for various altitudes (h in km in the data below). This is because of the sheer mass it carries. Exactly how this translates into period reduction does require at least a simple model of the dynamic three body orbit which I will attempt next. I can give the deceleration derivations if anyone is interested.

The small changes in speed translate into very large reductions in period because Itys travels almost as far as the Lagrange 1 point although above the ecliptic on its way out. If it actually made it exactly to the L1 point it would have an orbital period of infinity (in theory). If I am able to determine this relationship exactly I will be able to give a very good size estimation. Further I have approached the Acoustics dept. at Southampton University to try and get their opinion on the minimum height a large asteroid can travel and still not produce a sonic boom at ground level. Only in 2002 did Itys produce a sonic boom and this was very load and continuous unlike an aircraft. The sound to sight lag suggested Itys actually made the lower troposphere! This biases the size in the upward direction and my current feeling is it is around 40 miles at closest approach and about 4 km in diameter. I know the space shuttle produces a sonic boom at 25 miles so Itys must be significantly higher than that. However the sound waves are subject to refraction and can be diluted and absobed in the denser atmosphere below. Itys is not a sphere, a rough ovoid in shape but close enough to model as such.

For the asteroid with a radius of 1500m and density of 2500 kg/m^3 and a velocity of 15000 m/s. The acceleration would be:

-0.0477 m/s^2 where h = 50
-0.0248 m/s^2 where h = 55
-0.0128 m/s^2 where h = 60
-0.0055 m/s^2 where h = 65

Assuming the asteroid is at constant altitude for 1200 seconds the speed reduction is:

57.4 m/s where h = 50
29.8 m/s where h = 55
15.4 m/s where h = 60
6.7 m/s where h = 65

Note that the Orbit of Itys is in fact of the dynamic four body type with the bodies being Earth, Moon Sun and Itys itself. The moon has little impact on the orbit unless Itys gets too close to it. Itys always comes in from the south and the moon's orbit will intersect with Itys orbital path at some point in the second half of next year. If the moon is on the sun side of Earth when Itys comes in (new moon approx) then life on Earth could be shortened for very many. However there is some chance that if we are on the right quarter, the moon might circularise the orbit to an extent sufficient to prevent a collision altogether. Working out such orbital possibilities would be a tough job. The end is probable but not absolutely certain.
 
Oh! And I was going to say that the first complete orbit was about 17 years (1985-2002). The very low pass in 2002, (likely due to lunar perturbation of Itys orbit) - it was the right time of year - accounts for this initial large drop in the orbital period. Even so the fact that the last period was over three years means that Itys is still travelling out a long way in the approximate direction of the L1 point. It is kind of hovering there for some time and orbiting the Sun with the Earth.

This is one of the principal reasons the NEO gimboids cannot see it with their telescopes. Apart from when it is just a few tens of miles from planetary catastrophe travelling at 37,000 miles an hour so getting a by eye bearing is tricky, let alone any instrument. It is always up sun! Always on the day side so hidden by the sky (sacttered light).

Defense radar could see it in principle but they filter out fast moving object with orbital periods and above in software. They are looking for sub-orbital speed ballistic missiles and missing the orbital speed missile that is going to put them out of a job.

The orbit itself tells us where Itys originated and how it got into the Earth's gavitational well and why it cannot be seen. I am sure you can all work this out.
 
carefix said:
My big problem with SoTT is they regularly post photos of aircraft contrails and call them comets.

This is complete balderdash. Provide some evidence, or retract it. I demand satisfaction!
 
Carefix, you'll be glad to know that there are a number of astrophysicists on this forum. Let's see that data. The stage is yours...
 
Percival,

If you look back over the past couple of years on SoTT you will find lots of my "complaints" when obvious aircraft contrails are described as comets. I mean if you can't tell the difference (and many can't) there isn't much hope for you. If you like (and when I have time which isn't now) I can send you photos of hundreds of "SoTT comets" working their way slowly towards and from Gatwick and Heathrow. Comets tend to travel fast whereas aircraft travel fairly slowly in comparison. Aircraft contrails normally exhibit a double trail structure. They look great at dusk and dawn when the setting/rising sun gives them a ruddy orange hue. When you see this colouration (and bother to publish the time) it is almost always the sun low on the horizon providing the colour.

I took out an add in my local paper a few years back asking for sightings of Itys to be reported to me. I didn't mention Itys or asteroid or give any descriptive information apart from unusual meteor type object. I received a dozen calls and no less than ten were obvious sky lanterns which move even slower than SoTT comets, one was an interesting UFO of which I also received a photo (but I am not too interested in UFOs) and only one was about a sighting of Itys. The guy was one of two witnesses, and years after the event he was terrified just in recounting his and his friends encounter. I was too. This was 2002 and Itys had returned. That meant it was in orbit and the world was in serious trouble.

You really ought to get someone who has the background to discriminate between aircraft and rocks to check them out before you post them. Such "censored impolite word" devalues SoTT. The political analysis is great but the SoTT comets and the Big Pharma propaganda and deceptions you publish are a great degrading shame.
 
Niall,

I am not sure what data you are after as you do not say. I am not encouraged to take the time as you have already suppressed Itys data. This could have cost the lives of billions of people and that makes you personally responsible.

However if you are prepared to publish data that I send AND you are prepared to seriously investigate the truth of witness sightings in a considered manner and with the advice of your claimed astrophysicists I might be willing to entertain your request.
 
carefix said:
Percival,

If you look back over the past couple of years on SoTT you will find lots of my "complaints" when obvious aircraft contrails are described as comets. I mean if you can't tell the difference (and many can't) there isn't much hope for you. If you like (and when I have time which isn't now) I can send you photos of hundreds of "SoTT comets" working their way slowly towards and from Gatwick and Heathrow. Comets tend to travel fast whereas aircraft travel fairly slowly in comparison. Aircraft contrails normally exhibit a double trail structure. They look great at dusk and dawn when the setting/rising sun gives them a ruddy orange hue. When you see this colouration (and bother to publish the time) it is almost always the sun low on the horizon providing the colour.

I took out an add in my local paper a few years back asking for sightings of Itys to be reported to me. I didn't mention Itys or asteroid or give any descriptive information apart from unusual meteor type object. I received a dozen calls and no less than ten were obvious sky lanterns which move even slower than SoTT comets, one was an interesting UFO of which I also received a photo (but I am not too interested in UFOs) and only one was about a sighting of Itys. The guy was one of two witnesses, and years after the event he was terrified just in recounting his and his friends encounter. I was too. This was 2002 and Itys had returned. That meant it was in orbit and the world was in serious trouble.

You really ought to get someone who has the background to discriminate between aircraft and rocks to check them out before you post them. Such "censored impolite word" devalues SoTT. The political analysis is great but the SoTT comets and the Big Pharma propaganda and deceptions you publish are a great degrading shame.

Strange that you write so many irrelevant words in response to a simple request. Provide the links or can it.
 
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