Atlantis Replay?

[Laura]

A couple of items from today's news that strike me as worth watching:

Look at the editorial board of this site. Smells like propaganda to me:

Is China Planning a Surprise Missile Attack?
http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/bin/Is_China_Planning_a_Surprise_Missile_Attach.html

Also see:

U.S. tipped off on missile test, says WikiLeaks
http://www.scmp.com/portal/site/SCMP/menuitem.2c913216495213d5df646910cba0a0a0/?vgnextoid=6663f956bb012310VgnVCM100000360a0a0aRCRD&vgnextfmt=teaser&ss=China&s=News

NOW watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHrz1M3X4Lw
Connection?

Another thing I've been thinking about in regards to this is that Plato said about Atlantis that a war took place between those outside the Pillars of Hercules at the Strait of Gibraltar and those who dwelt within them. The Atlanteans had conquered the parts of Libya within the Pillars of Hercules as far as Egypt and the European continent as far as Tyrrhenia, and subjected its people to slavery. It was at that point that the Athenians led a resistance and liberated the occupied lands.

"But at a later time there occurred portentous earthquakes and floods, and one grievous day and night befell them, when the whole body of your warriors was swallowed up by the earth, and the island of Atlantis in like manner was swallowed up by the sea and vanished; wherefore also the ocean at that spot has now become impassable and unsearchable, being blocked up by the shoal mud which the island created as it settled down."

It strikes me that the invasion of Libya is a marker... a sign... and the propaganda about China may be a lead-up to something wicked.

 

[dant]

Rats, unable to view Zen video since there is no CC (caption)
so all I see are the gears, but I did read the other links.

Can someone please give me a synopsis of the video (since
asking for transcript might be too much to ask)?

I do recall Plato and C transcripts... it sounds like a we might
be re-entering the time loop, an attempt by psychopath's wishful
thinking to change the outcome in their favour, this "time" around?

 

[Zadius Sky]

Can someone please give me a synopsis of the video (since
asking for transcript might be too much to ask)?

The video is reading out this word for word:

http://www.naturalmedicine.com/blogs/wondering/2011/08/22/91111-7-reasons-to-brace-for-impact/

It was linked in the video's youtube's description.

It's on SOTT:
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/234354-7-Reasons-To-Brace-For-Impact

 

[dant]

Oh! I read that link (7 Reasons To Brace For Impact) - I had no
idea it was "read out" since I cannot hear what was being said!

Thanks Myrddin Awyr!

 

[mkrnhr]

I've been thinking too about Plato's Timeus a few days ago. I've been remembered of it due to the Atlantean (NATO) takeover of Libya, and also the weird weather that looks like a warning for what could be coming someday.

I wonder however if the "Athenians" in the words of Plato does not mean something else than a given nation that is not Greece. Maybe it refers to some quality (wisdom etc.) related to Athena? What if the Atlanteans represent those who fought the wars of the time, and got cought in Earth changes, and the Atheneans represent those who fought the war of spirit/mind and got somehow saved from the cataclysmic consequences?

 

[Biomiast]

I wonder however if the "Athenians" in the words of Plato does not mean something else than a given nation that is not Greece. Maybe it refers to some quality (wisdom etc.) related to Athena? What if the Atlanteans represent those who fought the wars of the time, and got cought in Earth changes, and the Atheneans represent those who fought the war of spirit/mind and got somehow saved from the cataclysmic consequences?

Very interesting interpretation. And here is what Egyptian priest told Solon:

This vast power, gathered into one, endeavoured to subdue at a blow our country and yours and the whole of the region within the straits; and then, Solon, your country shone forth, in the excellence of her virtue and strength, among all mankind. She was pre-eminent in courage and military skill, and was the leader of the Hellenes. And when the rest fell off from her, being compelled to stand alone, after having undergone the very extremity of danger, she defeated and triumphed over the invaders, and preserved from slavery those who were not yet subjugated, and generously liberated all the rest of us who dwell within the pillars.

Kind of gives me hope thinking about it your way. :)

 

[Avi]

Were the times of Atlantis those which wrought and brought destruction through an abuse and obsession with power? those who could wield the energies of nature were doing battle a la Crowley's contest to Gurdjieff and the forces of nature were unbalanced so that forces unleashed caused great geophysical disasters.

as far as I know, but that is hearsay. do not have a specific text to cite.

The thread on Odyssey really goes with this and I have been thinking that over as I've been reading 'Who Killed Homer' by Hanson and Heath, where the authors, classicists criticising the demise of the field of classics, the killing of "homer", make as their primary argument that it is only by learning to think and act Greek that the pending disasters of the world could be possibly avoided. This was in 1998.

Not problems to the field or the demise of archivists and specialists far removed from the needs pressing upon present humanity but from the perspective of the many imminent and impending implosions undergoing the world on all fronts. to save the day is only possible by learning to think and act like a Greek.

Then Hanson and Heath map out and support their argument.

Abit on them

http://tinyurl.com/3t9jarz

Quote:

1989
John Heath, Rollins College

1991
Victor D. Hanson, California State University at Fresno

Its been some years since last reading so need to acquaint myself with the argument, but probli aint got much on the thread on Odysseus and Theoxony. Interesting that they do comment on the corruption and destruction of true liberal learning, once the only field, now relegated to near obscurity and academic games, is on the verge of becoming extinct, which may be a fate humanity follows.

It would be interesting to see discussion about the way in which works such as Homers Odyssey can help address the issues, train the people and perhaps realistically make a change in how the world is unfolding closer and closer to a precipice that just tips over the edge.

Cornell had a similar discussion where professors representing 4 - 6 fields, discuss what their field could provide as an aid to a humanity that is now a small group of survivors after major cataclysm. in essence, how would your approach sculpted by your chosen studies and world view help to alleviate the challenges based on a post-apocolyptic world.

http://classics.cornell.edu/news/detail.cfm?customel_dataPageID_18256=124815

in the Classical or Odyssy view?

HOW and WHY does that help those in disaster?

Would be really cool to watch methinks.

What about a compendium of the Odyssey thread?

Just a thought.

I could contact some old classmates teaching in the field. One is at Cornell.

Laura and crew, have you considered maybe another video? Discussion on the Odyssey and its applicability to the reality of the world today and how thinking and acting like a greek, so to speak, meaning taking the deeper lessons contained in the Odyssey, help the world in disaster or its aftermath?

I will add some further thoughts to the Odyssey thread sometime soon as well I hope.

Mainly my thoughts on Hanson and Heath after I finish Who Killed Homer once more.

Its relevance to the thread on the Odyssey. Which has lots of excellent thoughts and excerpts.

 

[cholas]

Very much agreed, something definitely seems to be brewing and the video does indeed sound right-on. Thanks for the link.

As for markers, I was also wondering about Iraq(Mesopotamia), Afghanistan, Pakistan(Indus Valley) as well as most recently Libya. All seem to have a distant past connected with very powerful, 4D STS-influenced(?), pathologically-controlled civilizations. Could very well support a 'replay' angle.

I too have been pondering who the Athenians really were. It doesn't sound like the original story told to Plato really pinpointed today's Greece. It could very well be that Greece is a later-day moniker, like Egypt, Ithaca, Troy?

The Athenians could possibly have been a group connected through a spiritual, goddess-oriented ideology rather than a physical location? In part, like today's 'truth movement', for example(hijacking aside).

 

[SethianSeth]

Were the times of Atlantis those which wrought and brought destruction through an abuse and obsession with power? those who could wield the energies of nature were doing battle a la Crowley's contest to Gurdjieff and the forces of nature were unbalanced so that forces unleashed caused great geophysical disasters.

as far as I know, but that is hearsay. do not have a specific text to cite.

The thread on Odyssey really goes with this and I have been thinking that over as I've been reading 'Who Killed Homer' by Hanson and Heath, where the authors, classicists criticising the demise of the field of classics, the killing of "homer", make as their primary argument that it is only by learning to think and act Greek that the pending disasters of the world could be possibly avoided. This was in 1998.

Not problems to the field or the demise of archivists and specialists far removed from the needs pressing upon present humanity but from the perspective of the many imminent and impending implosions undergoing the world on all fronts. to save the day is only possible by learning to think and act like a Greek.

Then Hanson and Heath map out and support their argument.

Abit on them

http://tinyurl.com/3t9jarz

Quote:

1989
John Heath, Rollins College

1991
Victor D. Hanson, California State University at Fresno

Its been some years since last reading so need to acquaint myself with the argument, but probli aint got much on the thread on Odysseus and Theoxony. Interesting that they do comment on the corruption and destruction of true liberal learning, once the only field, now relegated to near obscurity and academic games, is on the verge of becoming extinct, which may be a fate humanity follows.

It would be interesting to see discussion about the way in which works such as Homers Odyssey can help address the issues, train the people and perhaps realistically make a change in how the world is unfolding closer and closer to a precipice that just tips over the edge.

Cornell had a similar discussion where professors representing 4 - 6 fields, discuss what their field could provide as an aid to a humanity that is now a small group of survivors after major cataclysm. in essence, how would your approach sculpted by your chosen studies and world view help to alleviate the challenges based on a post-apocolyptic world.

http://classics.cornell.edu/news/detail.cfm?customel_dataPageID_18256=124815

in the Classical or Odyssy view?

HOW and WHY does that help those in disaster?

Would be really cool to watch methinks.

What about a compendium of the Odyssey thread?

Just a thought.

I could contact some old classmates teaching in the field. One is at Cornell.

Laura and crew, have you considered maybe another video? Discussion on the Odyssey and its applicability to the reality of the world today and how thinking and acting like a greek, so to speak, meaning taking the deeper lessons contained in the Odyssey, help the world in disaster or its aftermath?

I will add some further thoughts to the Odyssey thread sometime soon as well I hope.

Mainly my thoughts on Hanson and Heath after I finish Who Killed Homer once more.

Its relevance to the thread on the Odyssey. Which has lots of excellent thoughts and excerpts.

Thanks for this, Herakles! My interest is absolutely piqued about Who Killed Homer. I have had the growing desire since the Odyssey thread was introduced to brush up my memorization chops and see if I can't commit The Odyssey to memory. This seemed like a useful exercise for a number of reasons, but I think the most intruiging potential reason you highlight here - preserving these texts/modes of thinking as a strategy for the times directly ahead of us!

Thanks for the provocative thoughts. I'll be checking out the book asap...

 

[thevenusian]

Not sure if this is where Laura was going with this, but it does strike me that China is the only 'superpower' which is potentially capable of waging war world-wide that also has a very distinct cultural and ethnic difference from the US/Western imperial world. If you were to imagine looking back to the present time from a point in the future, this distinction would perhaps be the most striking among the national powers of the world right now. As such, these two entities would be a natural two 'sides' in a world conflict. Even in popular language of today, the division between them is described as East vs West.

If we are speculating about a re-creation of the Atlantean event and interpret Plato's account to be describing two distinct cultures with the capability to engage in world-wide war, in the world as it is right at the moment, China vs Western Imperialist is maybe the most plausible.

It is also important to remember that on some level this distinction probably does not exist in any meaningful way, as history has shown there are those who are united in promoting and benefiting from conflicts between nations and have no loyalty to any. Those would be the ones helping to get something started by getting ideas spread through the media among other things. This element is never mentioned in the context of historical Atlantis, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn it was the same then as it is now.

 

[dant]

Congrats Venusian,
You have posted -> 666 <- messages!
:)

 

[thevenusian]

Congrats Venusian,
You have posted -> 666 <- messages!
:)

Pretty creepy given the content of the post. Thanks for noticing...

 

[obyvatel]

It is also important to remember that on some level this distinction probably does not exist in any meaningful way, as history has shown there are those who are united in promoting and benefiting from conflicts between nations and have no loyalty to any. Those would be the ones helping to get something started by getting ideas spread through the media among other things. This element is never mentioned in the context of historical Atlantis, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn it was the same then as it is now.

I tend to agree with this. After all the C's have commented that we already have in effect at some level a One World Govt.

I have a very hard time looking at China as Plato's "Athens" based on what I have heard from numerous former residents of that country. It is also perhaps interesting that there are very few Chinese representatives in this forum.

 

[Laura]

I have a very hard time looking at China as Plato's "Athens" based on what I have heard from numerous former residents of that country. It is also perhaps interesting that there are very few Chinese representatives in this forum.

I don't think anybody is looking at China as "Plato's Athens". The China issue is only there because it is the current propaganda the U.S. is using to probably presage some sort of further warmongering in Europe or Asia.

 

[un chien anadolu]

I am pretty sure that behid the curtains an unconventional war between US and China is allready going on. But if this turns into a conventional war with missiles, i don't know, but China and US seem so much interdependent due to economic reasons. But hey, maybe this not an obstacle but a real motive. And the history is full of craziness after all.

But somehow i still see Iran as the key trigger in this whole picture for many reasons (sure Libya was an important turning point).

BTW, fwiw, Clif posted something similar on HPH a couple of days ago

While the new PMF will be like 9/11, or the War on Terrorism, or the Iraq War, or the 2008 Bankster Crisis, or any of their other, recent PMF's in that it will be used to cover yet another huge draining of money from the global financial system into the 'break away civilization' (after all they still need to buy pie from us ground bound humans),

9/11 = 2.2 trillion gone

WOT = 4.3 trillion gone

Iraq War = 5.65 trillion gone

2008 Bankster Crisis = 6.79 trillion gone

this pending (soon, very soon) PMF will be different. In addition to the resource theft (we calculate over 16 trillion will be the target), the entrenched powers will also be seeking to 'test run' their new coping strategy. Wait for it...we can't reveal it ahead of time and you'll see why when they debut it.

ttp://www.halfpasthuman.com/PMF.html (attn. a bit vulgar language)