Bacon grease: The fountain of youth?
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clerck de bonk
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Of course it is ;D
clerck de bonk
Dagobah Resident
I do recall something about the names of the pork god that You (or was it somebody else, transcripts maybe?) mentioned somewhere...Laura said:
Edit;
Found it in the transcripts http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,18639.msg176201.html#msg176201 :)
"Q: Is the god worshipped in Judaism, Yahwah, really Howah, the Pig God?
A: Yes."
It seems to me that poor "Howard" doesn't like to get eaten all the time ;D ...Or he dislikes his place in this universe, being food that is...
Talas
Jedi Master
The Celts loved there pigs..
Pigs were a very important part of the Celtic economy and society in Western Europe. Pigs were associated with the Otherworld, the feasts of the dead, and as symbols of abundance. Swineherds or pig keepers were thought to be magicians. In Irish folklore, swineherds could cross from the Otherworld to this world and return again. The Lord of the Otherworld was normally portrayed with a pig over his shoulder. The Celtic goddess of crops and abundance, Caridwen (equivalent to the Greek Demeter), was a sow goddess.
In Irish folklore, the dead were members of a separate Otherworld hostel or 'bruidhen'. Each one was ruled by a god, presiding over the supernatural feast. Pigs were slaughtered each day, eaten and magically reborn to be eaten again the next day.
The Brown Bull of Ulster, the centre-piece of the war between Connaught and Ulster, was thought to be a shape-changing swineherd who was the rival of another swine-herd. In order carry on their fight, the two swine-herds changed themselves into ravens, water-monsters, two rivers, two human champions, two eels, and finally into the Brown Bull of Ulster and the White-Horned Bull of Connaught.
According to the Welsh Mabinogian, pigs had been introduced to Britain as a result of trickery against King Pwyll, who was standing in as Lord of the Underworld for twelve months.
Minor goddesses, such as Arduinna (a cult in the Ardennes region of France) were seen as protectors of boars but also goddesses of hunting, allowing hunters of the right sort to be successful. The Romans later incorporated Arduinna into the cult of their goddess Diana.
Three Powerful Swineherds of Britain: in the Welsh triads, there were Three Powerful Swineherds of Britain, all with quasi magical powers.
Pryderi ap Pwyll(Pryderi the son of Pwyll). He guarded the pigs of Pendaran Dyfed in Glyn Cuch in Emlyn. Pryderi's father was the Pwyll who had introduced pigs to Britain.
Tristram and Yseult Drystan, son of Tallwch, or Sir Tristram (of Tristram and Yseult fame) who guarded the pigs of March. Drystan was Sir Tristram, a Pictish Prince who served King March (or Mark) the King of Cornwall by driving out Irish invaders. Whilst guarding the pigs, he sent his swineherd to Essyellt or Isolde or Ysseult to arrange a meeting. This was the start of the Tristram and Isolde/Yseult romance, leading to marital discord, immorality, war, death and opera.
Coll, son of Collfewy. He guarded Henwen, the sow of Dallwyr Dallben. Henwen or Hen Wen, the sow, was the animal form of Cerridwen, the goddess of inspiration and keeper of a magic cauldron. When Henwen was about to bring forth her litter, she went to Penrhyn Awstin in Cornwall, where she entered the sea and swam to land at Aber Taroqi in Gwent is Coed. Henwen gave bounty to several areas in Wales, which, according to myth, enabled these regions to prosper.
Pigs were a very important part of the Celtic economy and society in Western Europe. Pigs were associated with the Otherworld, the feasts of the dead, and as symbols of abundance. Swineherds or pig keepers were thought to be magicians. In Irish folklore, swineherds could cross from the Otherworld to this world and return again. The Lord of the Otherworld was normally portrayed with a pig over his shoulder. The Celtic goddess of crops and abundance, Caridwen (equivalent to the Greek Demeter), was a sow goddess.
In Irish folklore, the dead were members of a separate Otherworld hostel or 'bruidhen'. Each one was ruled by a god, presiding over the supernatural feast. Pigs were slaughtered each day, eaten and magically reborn to be eaten again the next day.
The Brown Bull of Ulster, the centre-piece of the war between Connaught and Ulster, was thought to be a shape-changing swineherd who was the rival of another swine-herd. In order carry on their fight, the two swine-herds changed themselves into ravens, water-monsters, two rivers, two human champions, two eels, and finally into the Brown Bull of Ulster and the White-Horned Bull of Connaught.
According to the Welsh Mabinogian, pigs had been introduced to Britain as a result of trickery against King Pwyll, who was standing in as Lord of the Underworld for twelve months.
Minor goddesses, such as Arduinna (a cult in the Ardennes region of France) were seen as protectors of boars but also goddesses of hunting, allowing hunters of the right sort to be successful. The Romans later incorporated Arduinna into the cult of their goddess Diana.
Three Powerful Swineherds of Britain: in the Welsh triads, there were Three Powerful Swineherds of Britain, all with quasi magical powers.
Pryderi ap Pwyll(Pryderi the son of Pwyll). He guarded the pigs of Pendaran Dyfed in Glyn Cuch in Emlyn. Pryderi's father was the Pwyll who had introduced pigs to Britain.
Tristram and Yseult Drystan, son of Tallwch, or Sir Tristram (of Tristram and Yseult fame) who guarded the pigs of March. Drystan was Sir Tristram, a Pictish Prince who served King March (or Mark) the King of Cornwall by driving out Irish invaders. Whilst guarding the pigs, he sent his swineherd to Essyellt or Isolde or Ysseult to arrange a meeting. This was the start of the Tristram and Isolde/Yseult romance, leading to marital discord, immorality, war, death and opera.
Coll, son of Collfewy. He guarded Henwen, the sow of Dallwyr Dallben. Henwen or Hen Wen, the sow, was the animal form of Cerridwen, the goddess of inspiration and keeper of a magic cauldron. When Henwen was about to bring forth her litter, she went to Penrhyn Awstin in Cornwall, where she entered the sea and swam to land at Aber Taroqi in Gwent is Coed. Henwen gave bounty to several areas in Wales, which, according to myth, enabled these regions to prosper.
Talas
Jedi Master
Laura said:
Pigs in Religion and Folklore:
ANCIENT EGYPT
NUT, the Egyptian Sky Goddess in form of a Celestial Sow, 1085BC-760BCNut, the sky goddess and goddess of the night, whose image was painted underneath the lid of coffins, was often depicted as the heavenly sow, eternal mother of the night stars, who were identified as thousands of piglets.
The powerful Egyptian God, Set, originally God of the desert was regarded as one of the two constituents of Egypt, and was opposed to the Sun God and to Osiris, the God of the fertile Nile. Set's worship was associated with the sacrifice of pigs. Swineherds, as pig keepers, were seen as specially privileged.
Tomb art from Saqqara (2345-2181 BC) showing a swineherd feeding a piglet by mouthTomb art from Saqqara (2345-2181 BC) shows a swineherd feeding a piglet by mouth, presumably more than a purely agricultural scene. The activity was regarded as being significant enough to be made into a sculpture.
Piglets were sacrificed to the Gods. Mature pigs were offered as a sacrificed to specific deities and then part would be eaten in a love feast by adherents. In later periods, the dominance of Set was replaced by the worship of Osiris. This seemed to have reduced the importance of pigs: swineherds themselves were later refused entry to the temples.
Ancient Greece
In the complex and rather depressing mythology of Ancient Greece, the winter season starts in October when the goddess Kore (or Persephone) leaves her mother Demeter (the goddess of fertility, the seasons, grain and abundance) to live in the Underworld with Hades and nothing grows. The ritual of Thesmophoria involved worshippers, who had raised piglets within their families, in killing and burying their animals. The pig's bodies would be dug up the next year and mixed with the current seed to fertilise the new seed with the fruits of the old. The Celts had similar practices in connection with the sow-goddess Caridwen.
Ulysses and Eumaeus
When Ulysses returned home from the Trojan wars, he found not a home suitable for a returned warrior, but one full of indolent suitors competing for the hand of his wife, Penelope, now regarded as a widow.
Ulysses sought shelter as stranger with Eumaeus, his swineherd, who did not recognise him. Whilst Ulysses had been away, Eumaeus had built up a pig farm with 50 breeding sows, 360 male pigs, and four ferocious hounds that slept with the pigs. Eumaeus bemoans his lot, because he has done all this for Ulysses, who will never return to see what he has done for him. The swineherd was particularly cheesed off because the suitors for Penelope insisted upon being treated as guests, eating the best pigs and drinking his wine. The poet Homer, obviously taken with the idea of Eumaeus, refers to him as the 'noble swineherd' and 'prince of swineherds'. That night Eumaeus took the best remaining pig and prepared a meal for Ulysses as a stranger, an honoured guest.
A few hours later, Eumaeus has found out who Ulysses is. He and Ulysses slay all the suitors, reclaim Ulysses' property, and recover his wife. In all this, Eumaeus is obviously more than simply the pigman.
INDIA
Avatar of Vishnu
Varaha, the boarOne of the main avatars (or incarnations) of the Hindu God Vishnu (The Protector) is Varaha, the boar, who can be represented with a boar's head. The battle between Lord Varaha and Hiranyaksha (a demon who had taken control of the earth) was believed to have lasted 1,000 years.
The boar's head would presumably have been the symbol of courage.
Jewish and Islamic Views
The Jewish and Islamic religions view pigs as unclean, prohibiting not only the consumption of pork products but contact with the animals. In Leviticus 11.1-47, there is a range of dietary rules and specifications concerning forbidden animals, birds and fish/shellfish. Only meat from animals with split hooves that chew the cud could be eaten. Pigs were excluded explicitly because they did not chew the cud (Lev.11.7). Other unclean animals include camels and hares, blood-based products, and shellfish, eels, bats, birds of prey and seagulls also cannot be eaten.
For Muslims, pork, fanged beasts of prey, blood products, and some types of sea creatures are regarded as impermissible. Unlike Judaism, camel can be eaten. For both religions, there are issues about the way meat has been sourced and prepared, the purposes for which this has been done, and necessary rituals, non-observance of any of which may make its consumption impermissible.
There have been a number of different views about the reasons why these religions have deemed certain foods, including pig, as unclean or impermissible. The dietary rules can be seen purely as divine laws, which need no explanation or logic and emphasise our subservience: this leaves open the reason as to why specific items have been deemed are impermissible. Items like pork or shellfish may cause health problems in hot climates and it may seem logical to forbid their consumption to reduce any risk to health. It seems more likely that the rationale involves the food chain: pigs and seagulls forage and one can never know precisely what they have eaten.
The Christian View of Pigs
There is no Christian view of pigs. Christians do not believe that any animal or living creature is unclean. Therefore there is no requirement to eat pork or to abstain from doing so. Early in the life of the new Church Christians specifically rejected Jewish dietary rules and rituals (Acts 10.10-16) and that remains the view of the main Christian denominations today. Adherents of Christianity may eat all kinds of meat and fish or stick to a vegetarian diet, But the reasons for doing so are cultural, health, or diet and they do not discriminate between different meats for theological reasons.
China
It is thought that the first pigs were domesticated in China several thousand years ago, and pigs have remained popular in China ever since, forming an important part of Chinese cuisine.
PigDragon, Honshan 5000 BCThis dragon pig, a pig or boar with dragon characteristics, dating from 7000 years ago was found at Hongshan, and probably represents prosperity and power.
Hai or The year of the Boar ('Year of the Pig') is the twelfth sign of the earthly branches in traditional Chinese reckoning. The pig is associated with fertility and virility and to have children in this year is thought fortunate, for they are likely to be happy and honest. Every year of the pig is identified with one of the elements, metal, water, wood, fire, and earth. The most recent Year of the Pig ended on 6 February 2008 and was a Fire Pig.
New Guinea
In anthropologically over-researched New Guinea, a person's wealth is judged in terms of the number of pigs, spending is measured in 'pig equivalents' and someone who does not eat pork is considered to be a heathen.
Hi,
I recall session 19 Nov. 2005
What about that? Pork was suggested as a bad food for Ark. However Cassiopaeans have not replied on that clearly just said: Ask Andromeda who replied like above. Could You comment on that? Is that again thing with: check what is good for You and not directing own actions by simple belief? I mean what was good advice for Ark may not be good advice for myself?
Other thing with pork and generally meat is its source which after seeing yesterday "Food Inc." movie I really started to "believe" in serious consequences of not paying attention to the source of food we eat.
I recall session 19 Nov. 2005
What about that? Pork was suggested as a bad food for Ark. However Cassiopaeans have not replied on that clearly just said: Ask Andromeda who replied like above. Could You comment on that? Is that again thing with: check what is good for You and not directing own actions by simple belief? I mean what was good advice for Ark may not be good advice for myself?
Other thing with pork and generally meat is its source which after seeing yesterday "Food Inc." movie I really started to "believe" in serious consequences of not paying attention to the source of food we eat.
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