Bluetooth technology

DontBSkerred

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I did a search which had many results, most of which I didn't feel addressed my question directly or provoke the response in a direction I could easily follow. So if I MOD feel like merging this or moving this thread, please feel free, at least I'll be able to find it, now.

Anyway, there's something that's been bugging me. I don't often use a bluetooth headset. To be honest, the only time I really do so is when I'm playing online on my PS3, and that's not all that often. But every time I do, I can feel it. I mean literally feel a physiological response in my ear canal. It's actually noticeably painful, like you'd think you had an ear infection starting. This doesn't happen just some of the time, but every time. Of course, the simple solution would be to stop using it altogether, but I do quite enjoy playing online and being able to communicate with other players. There are other options, just none that are feasible to me at this time.

So what do we know or think we know about bluetooth? Is this pain common (it's amazing, but I've been wanting to ask this on here all day, and each time I've thought about it, I can actually feel it in that same ear again...weird)? I'm I just mistaken? I'd appreciate any feedback and people's own experience to toss around.
 
I don't know about bluetooth but I get the same thing with my iphone if I talk on it whilst holding it up to my ear. I know that the 'microwaves' from cell phones are really bad for our health and apparently iphone is one of the worst. I most often use speaker phone but sometimes if I'm in a crowded place r something I will put my ear to it. I feel a heck of a lot of heat and a buzzing headache starts immediately.
WI-FI, bluetooth, I don't know the exact difference but they probably both produce harmful effects. Less is best is my motto.
 
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So what do we know or think we know about bluetooth?
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From _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth#Health_concerns:
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Bluetooth uses the microwave radio frequency spectrum in the 2.402 GHz to 2.480 GHz range.[44] Maximum power output from a Bluetooth radio is 100 mW, 2.5 mW, and 1 mW for Class 1, Class 2, and Class 3 devices respectively, which puts Class 1 at roughly the same level as mobile phones, and the other two classes much lower.[59] Accordingly, Class 2 and Class 3 Bluetooth devices are considered less of a potential hazard than mobile phones, and Class 1 may be comparable to that of mobile phones : the maximum for a Class 1 is 100 mW for Bluetooth but 250 mW for UMTS W-CDMA, 1 W for GSM1800/1900 and 2 W for GSM850/900 for instance.
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In other words, Bluetooth is considered safer than a cellphone because it emits less power (even though it's in the microwave range and therefore effectively heating up organic cells around the transmitter). However, the danger of RF frequencies is not only the power of the signal, but also the type (modulation), as Dr. Mercola explains, here: _http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/08/26/cell-phone-dangers-what-they-don-t-want-you-to-see.aspx:
[quote author=Dr. Mercola]
Most experts base their cell phone safety recommendations on the basic sinusoidal wave, also known as a “carrier signal." However, what they fail to recognize is that the danger does not come just from the carrier wave but also from a modulated signal that actually carries the data or your voice, which operates at a different frequency than the carrier signal.
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The above article actually contains a lot more basic information on RF/EM frequencies, so I recommend reading it.

You can see what the Bluetooth waveform tends to look like (notice the two curves), here: _http://www.thistutorial.com/adroid/make-android-bluetooth-oscilloscope/attachment/android-osiloscop/

Having said that, I would consider Bluetooth devices yet another way to interfere with the body's natural processes.
I don't use it personally. Whenever on my cellphone, I tend to use it in private and via the loudspeaker. I do have a wireless (WiFi) network at home, but it gets shut off at night 90% of the time (if it even gets turned during the day).

Hope this helps.

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DontBSkerred said:
Of course, the simple solution would be to stop using it altogether, but I do quite enjoy playing online and being able to communicate with other players. There are other options, just none that are feasible to me at this time.
We often enjoy the things that harm us. This is intentional; were it not for this, they would not be very effective.

You might find the following threads interesting:
- video games
- Games

The threads deal with it in more detail, but to sum it up, considering all that goes on in reality, and its significance, the petty concerns of gaming are very ridiculous: "We're all food, and manipulated, and asleep, and the world is burning? Hang on, just got to reach another illusory, nonexistent goal - and another, and another..."
 
In my experience, all addictions and harmful habits are very similar in terms of the psychological reason we do them, and so are defeated similarly. Video games, gluten, carbs, television, etc, all fill a "need", whether it is physiological or psychological, and this "need" never goes away if you keep giving it what it wants. For food, I found cold turkey is best - just stop eating the bad/addictive thing and soldier through a few days (sometimes weeks) of pain, but then never have cravings again. Slow weaning is if you're older or have a health condition, but if you're relatively young and healthy, it's easier to jump into a cold swimming pool than try to walk in slowly while getting used to it, prolonging your suffering and possibly changing your mind along the way.

For psychological addictions, you still have to stop feeding it, but often it won't go away just from a period of cold turkey abstinence alone. You often have to replace the habit with something positive, while you work to understand the "need" behind it. For me, I replaced video games with reading the forum, sott, other websites, and books on the recommended reading list. Much like with procrastination, you don't even realize how fun/fascinating/awesome these books are until you pick pick one up, open it, and start reading it. So while right now video games seem like way more fun than a "boring" book, if you just force yourself to, at least, give it a shot - just begin reading, you may find that you can't put it down. And now instead of anticipating the game, you'll be anticipating the book. Right now I'm at work and I can't wait to get home and continue reading the Vegetarian Myth, it's a real page turner!

And you know, these harmful habits and addictions, and the resistance to change them to something positive, are actually often caused by procrastination. The need behind them isn't always a bad thing - it may be simply a desire to enjoy life. The bad part is that we were programmed to enjoy the wrong things for the wrong reasons. We do what our predator and ultimately body/physiology enjoys, not our heart, mind, and soul. So it's not that we just have to stop doing fun things and just "study" and do boring/painful things instead. That mentality is the failing of the public education system and our Western pathocratic society at large. Instead, we have to find in ourselves the joy and fun of those things that grow our being, and once we can see them as fun, nothing will ever compare. Learning IS fun, networking is really fun, reading fascinating books can be downright ecstatic, and eating lots of good fats is nutritious, delicious, and satisfying.

Hell, even the esoteric concept of "conscious suffering" is done because a higher part of you recognizes the benefits, which far outweigh the suffering. Nobody would do it if suffering was all there was to it. Nobody ever does anything that they hate at every level, where there is no part of them that sees a positive in what they are doing. For "conscious suffering" it's only the predator who suffers, but the higher part of us is rejoicing, and if we can just tap into that, even a little bit, it will give us the motivation to go through it, we honestly won't mind the suffering.

So yeah there is some reprogramming involved to switch out of negative habits into positive and more conscious ones, and mainly it is about what we like, why we like it, and what part of us likes it. Negative/destructive habits are NEVER a result of the higher part of ourselves - it's always a result of either our body, emotions, or intellect being damaged, and like a broken machine, it seeks solace in the wrong fuel, thinking it is the right fuel. I mean think about it, a healthy body does not want drugs, alcohol, fast food, etc. A healthy emotional center does not seek destructive relationships, emotional abuse (or to be abused), manipulation of self and others, does not throw fits at minor things, and does not ignore the suffering of others, even those far away. And a healthy intellect does not lie to itself, does not embrace subjectivity, and most definitely does not seek to deactivate itself and instead mash a few buttons for hours while getting mindless visual stimulation that adds nothing to your life, that has no purpose, does not grow you in any way, and is simply a way to "burn time".

So if we do any of those things, if we ENJOY any of those things, we're broken. You can't just say "Oh, I like <insert damaging activity here>" because it's not really true, *you* do not enjoy it, some broken part of your body/mind/emotions is hung up on this destructive activity, but most certainly it is not *you* in any real sense. It is a foreign installation, and there are various causes like narcissistic wounding in childhood, or simply because it stimulates some "pleasure center" of the brain in a chemical way. This is not what humans, what conscious beings, should ever do, or be.

A monkey in a cage, at the mercy of humans, can be made to push a button over and over because the button is hooked up to a pleasure center of its brain and it gets a good feeling from pushing it. And in such experiments the monkeys often pushed the button until they died. They did not realize that this addiction was overriding their instinct of survival, that they were hurting themselves, and ultimately killing themselves. All they knew is that they "liked" to do it, and they "wanted" to do it, so they did. But those monkeys were broken, and in precisely the same way, so are we. And we too are killing ourselves if we allow the broken machine to dictate what we find enjoyable and fun, to dictate what we do, because broken machines don't know what is healthy, what is beneficial, and what truly IS fun and enjoyable in a much more profound way. Broken machines do not get fixed by catering to their broken desires, this will only wear them down til they don't run at all.

And realizing that your likes/dislikes and what you "enjoy" is a result of being broken, is the first and crucial step to fixing yourself, and averting your own doom.

I haven't read it, but I heard that this the best book on procrastination:
http://www.amazon.com/Now-Habit-Overcoming-Procrastination-Guilt-Free/dp/0874775043

Just don't procrastinate on reading it (assuming procrastination is even your issue) :P
 
Psalehesost said:
DontBSkerred said:
Of course, the simple solution would be to stop using it altogether, but I do quite enjoy playing online and being able to communicate with other players. There are other options, just none that are feasible to me at this time.
We often enjoy the things that harm us. This is intentional; were it not for this, they would not be very effective.

You might find the following threads interesting:
- video games
- Games

And also this one: 5 Creepy Ways Video Games Are Trying to Get You Addicted. Learning what a 'skinner box' is will give you food for thought.
 
Hello,

Yes indeed, there are many topics already started regarding wireless tech and how damaging it is to our health. Have a look at the Health, Environmental Issues and Products section in order to find the threads about this subject, DontBSkerred.
By the way, PS3 & Wii both have Wi-Fi additionally.

Speaking of Dr. Mercola, here is good Sott article quoting him: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/207623-FCC-Raises-the-Red-Flag-about-Cell-Phone-Hazards

fisheye said:
I know that the 'microwaves' from cell phones are really bad for our health and apparently iphone is one of the worst.
Which criteria do you use to determine this (just asking out of curiosity)? The SAR value at least is sort of useless (very adequately explained in Mercola's article). I think each smart phone is nearly equally bad, because they all have built-in Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and a GSM/whatever antenna. Using the "safest" cell phone available will damage the body equally if used regularly or too often.

Thank you SAO for your contribution. Very well explained and very good points. I fully agree.

SAO said:
And you know, these harmful habits and addictions, and the resistance to change them to something positive, are actually often caused by procrastination. The need behind them isn't always a bad thing - it may be simply a desire to enjoy life. The bad part is that we were programmed to enjoy the wrong things for the wrong reasons. We do what our predator and ultimately body/physiology enjoys, not our heart, mind, and soul. So it's not that we just have to stop doing fun things and just "study" and do boring/painful things instead. That mentality is the failing of the public education system and our Western pathocratic society at large. Instead, we have to find in ourselves the joy and fun of those things that grow our being, and once we can see them as fun, nothing will ever compare. Learning IS fun, networking is really fun, reading fascinating books can be downright ecstatic, and eating lots of good fats is nutritious, delicious, and satisfying.
Yes, the whole environment just implies this condition. The eduction system aiming to shape pupils and students to robots for later use in industry & buisnes; it's really just "job preparation." Learning methods are designed to appear and be "painful," stressful, and hence unpleasant. Learning is fun, but not learning the way it is presented and finally done. So people in their early (st)ages associate learning with something rather unpleasant in nature, at least many of them, those who do not resist. Then they will naturally look for an escape, something "pleasant" (perhaps it's about balance, but they cannot discern the right things from the wrong ones, speaking of damaging activities and beneficial things, perhaps due to programming and their already miserable condition) and naturally end up with Consortium Limited and its products which are a dead-end road.

SAO said:
So if we do any of those things, if we ENJOY any of those things, we're broken. You can't just say "Oh, I like <insert damaging activity here>" because it's not really true, *you* do not enjoy it, some broken part of your body/mind/emotions is hung up on this destructive activity, but most certainly it is not *you* in any real sense. It is a foreign installation, and there are various causes like narcissistic wounding in childhood, or simply because it stimulates some "pleasure center" of the brain in a chemical way. This is not what humans, what conscious beings, should ever do, or be.
The Predator enjoys being addicted. And such a condition is merely the result of a former already broken condition, either physically, emotionally or mentally or a combination thereof. In other words, it's a vicious circle. People are addicted to so many damaging activities and habits and things. And wireless stuff is no exception here. The same patterns are present. If you point out the facts, many (not all, but many) will deny and ignore. They are like alcoholics who just cannot see the situation objectively together with its implications. This reminds me on what the Cs once said, namely that if one was not healthy and bad conditioned, one could not be really spiritual or achieve spirituality or advance spiritually. And that's what "they" want to achieve eventually.

SAO said:
In my experience, all addictions and harmful habits are very similar in terms of the psychological reason we do them, and so are defeated similarly. Video games, gluten, carbs, television, etc, all fill a "need", whether it is physiological or psychological, and this "need" never goes away if you keep giving it what it wants. [...]
Internet (especially chatting and other useless things), "modern" music, sweets, sugar, you name it.

3D Student said:
Also the controllers of video game consoles are wireless too.
Some of them. Infrared is also used. The same goes for cordless headsets. Infrared or Bluetooth if cordless.
 
heh that made me think too :)

interesting part is about frequencies

bluetooth - around 2.4 ghz
wifi - around 2.4 ghz

microwave oven - around 2.45 ghz

Of course Wattage is totally different but still ....

EDIT:

well , in fact wifi uses few standards and one of them is 2.4 ghz but it also uses 5.3 ghz , I forgot to mention it previously
 
SAO said:
In my experience, all addictions and harmful habits are very similar in terms of the psychological reason we do them, and so are defeated similarly. Video games, gluten, carbs, television, etc, all fill a "need", whether it is physiological or psychological, and this "need" never goes away if you keep giving it what it wants. For food, I found cold turkey is best - just stop eating the bad/addictive thing and soldier through a few days (sometimes weeks) of pain, but then never have cravings again. Slow weaning is if you're older or have a health condition, but if you're relatively young and healthy, it's easier to jump into a cold swimming pool than try to walk in slowly while getting used to it, prolonging your suffering and possibly changing your mind along the way.

You are right SAO, my youngest son is addicted to video games and we have had many problems because he left school.
He is almost 18 years and we can not force him to go to school, he only wants to work and in his free time just wants to play the playstation, he has also changed a lot, sometimes seems to live in another planet and sometimes a bit aggressive
 
Wow guys, great stuff. Thanks everyone for your feedback and I hope more comes. Loving all the links to information and further discussion. Again, great stuff.

It's kinda weird that I have never noticed this feeling while I'm on a cellphone. It's specifically when using the bluetooth headset. I realize all these other devices and such can be potentially harmful, but the fact that wearing this device can actually cause physical pain within minutes is, well, kinda odd, I think.
 
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