Bock Saga

EmeraldHope

The Living Force
_www.bock-saga.com

Also, do a google search for more websites on this. it is VERY interesting and relates back to a paradise time which was a giving socirty. It also addresses Atlantis and the Nordics. I searched the forum to see if there was any mention here yet and did not find one. I am very excited to hear feedback from everyone here on this.
 
Re: Bock Saga - possible evidence of our STO past

I went to see the website and i read that:

In 1998 I started to read the Wingmakers material and was conscious of certain links to the Bock Saga. I was still hoping that someone more qualified than myself would release the information of the Bock Saga to all who had a desire to expand their consciousness. At the beginning of this year 2001 the latest Wingmaker material was made available and further links are made to the Bock Saga material.

And here's what i found about the Wingmaker from that thread:

Vulcan59 said:
Here's a snippet from session 000923 regarding the Wingmakers.

............(L) Well, after reading it, I don't even think I want to ask a question about it. Let's move along here. We have a question about the Wingmaker's information that we pretty much went through and analyzed at an earlier time, but never really brought to the table here. Is the Wingmaker's thing a complete hoax as has been suggested by some analysts?

A: No.

Q: Is the Wingmaker's presentation a source of good clues if one can figure out how to decipher it?

A: Yes.

Q: Are the clues in the poetry, the pages of philosophy or the art?

A: All.

Q: Is the story about the Wingmaker's information true?

A: Some.

Q: Is the Wingmaker's material "left" from the future into the past for someone to find in the present?

A: Close.



anart said:
Vulcan59 said:
Here's a snippet from session 000923 regarding the Wingmakers.
And, the context in which that snippet was presented - from http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/realitysplit1.htm
Laura said:
Well, that was curious enough, considering the fact that when I posted the excerpt from the session where we asked about the Wingmakers, I did not add any commentary which would have clarified the subject. The reader will notice that the C's said it was not a "complete hoax," which was then amplified by saying that there was only "some" of it that was true. "Some" - when the C's use the term - is a polite way of saying "very little." And this was what we had determined ourselves by analysis, which was discussed at the session, but which was lengthy and was not transcribed. This is one of the problems with people reading these sessions without knowing the background, or what the context of the questions is. When I asked the question about whether or not the Wingmaker's material was a source of good clues, the INTENT in the question, as we had been discussing, was that it was designed to lead AWAY from the truth, and that we could discern possible truths by looking at the OPPOSITE ideas presented! Nevertheless, I posted the excerpt, assuming that familiar readers would be able to chew on it and grok what the C's were saying in their terse responses.
 
Re: Bock Saga - possible evidence of our STO past

That is very interesting. Thank you. The Bock Saga was first released in 1984, I believe so it would predate the wingmaker material. I need to go and refresh myself on the wingmaker data now to try to make some comparisons.
 
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EmeraldHope said:
I need to go and refresh myself on the wingmaker data now to try to make some comparisons.

And it would be interesting , after doing that, if you could give a summary to the members of this forum.
 
Re: Bock Saga - possible evidence of our STO past

Bohort (Namaste) said:
EmeraldHope said:
I need to go and refresh myself on the wingmaker data now to try to make some comparisons.

And it would be interesting , after doing that, if you could give a summary to the members of this forum.

In starting with just the Ancient Arro book in Wingmakers, the similarities I can see right off the bat are the 23 souds of the rot language in the Bock Saga and our relation to the stars. The wingmakers material has much more of a fiction/fatasy feel to it while the Bock Saga seems more grounded in 3d history. Interestingly, the Bock Saga explains that language came from our DNA and that their language ROT, is the base of all human language. This ties in to what some Russian scientists have found connecting language to frequency and DNA:

Russian DNA Discoveries
Explain Human
'Paranormal' Events
Summarized by Baerbel
Edited and translated
1-17-5

Esoteric and spiritual teachers have known for ages that our body is programmable by language, words and thought. This has now been scientifically proven and explained.

The human DNA is a biological Internet and superior in many aspects to the artificial one. The latest Russian scientific research directly or indirectly explains phenomena such as clairvoyance, intuition, spontaneous and remote acts of healing, self healing, affirmation techniques, unusual light/auras around people (namely spiritual masters), mindâ¬"s influence on weather patterns and much more.

In addition, there is evidence for a whole new type of medicine in which DNA can be influenced and reprogrammed by words and frequencies WITHOUT cutting out and replacing single genes. Only 10% of our DNA is being used for building proteins. It is this subset of DNA that is of interest to western researchers and is being examined and categorized. The other 90% are considered "junk DNA."

The Russian researchers, however, convinced that nature was not dumb, joined linguists and geneticists in a venture to explore that 90% of "junk DNA." Their results, findings and conclusions are simply revolutionary!

According to there findings, our DNA is not only responsible for the construction of our body but also serves as data storage and communication. The Russian linguists found that the genetic code - especially in the apparent "useless" 90% - follows the same rules as all our human languages.

To this end they compared the rules of syntax (the way in which words are put together to form phrases and sentences), semantics (the study of meaning in language forms) and the basic rules of grammar. They found that the alkalines of our DNA follow a regular grammar and do have set rules just like our languages. Therefore, human languages did not appear coincidentally but are a reflection of our inherent DNA.

The Russian biophysicist and molecular biologist Pjotr Garjajev and his colleagues also explored the vibrational behavior of DNA. In brief the bottom line was: "Living chromosomes function just like a holographic computer using endogenous DNA laser radiation." This means that they managed, for example, to modulate certain frequency patterns (sound) onto a laser-like ray which influenced DNA frequency and thus the genetic information itself.

Since the basic structure of DNA-alkaline pairs and of language (as explained earlier) is of the same structure, no DNA decoding is necessary. One can simply use words and sentences of the human language! This, too, was experimentally proven!

Living DNA substance (in living tissue, not in vitro) will always react to language-modulated laser rays and even to radio waves, if the proper frequencies (sound) are being used. This finally and scientifically explains why affirmations, hypnosis and the like can have such strong effects on humans and their bodies. It is entirely normal and natural for our DNA to react to language.

While western researchers cut single genes from DNA strands and insert them elsewhere, the Russians enthusiastically created devices that influence cellular metabolism through modulated radio and light frequencies, thus repairing genetic defects.

They even captured information patterns of a particular DNA and transmitted it onto another, thus reprogramming cells to another genome. So they successfully transformed, for example, frog embryos to salamander embryos simply by transmitting the DNA information patterns! This way the entire information was transmitted without any of the side effects or disharmonies encountered when cutting out and re-introducing single genes from the DNA.

This represents an unbelievable, world-transforming revolution and sensation: by simply applying vibration (sound frequencies) and language instead of the archaic cutting-out procedure!

This experiment points to the immense power of wave genetics, which obviously has a greater influence on the formation of organisms than the biochemical processes of alkaline sequences.

Esoteric and spiritual teachers have known for ages that our body is programmable by language, words and thought. This has now been scientifically proven and explained.

Of course the frequency has to be correct. And this is why not everybody is equally successful or can do it with always the same strength. The individual person must work on the inner processes and development in order to establish a conscious communication with the DNA.

The Russian researchers work on a method that is not dependent on these factors but will ALWAYS work, provided one uses the correct frequency. But the higher developed an individual's consciousness is, the less need is there for any type of device: one can achieve these results by oneself. Science will finally stop laughing at such ideas and will confirm and explain the results. And it doesn't end there.

The Russian scientists also found out that our DNA can cause disturbing patterns in a vacuum, thus producing magnetized wormholes! Wormholes are the microscopic equivalents of the so-called Einstein-Rosen bridges in the vicinity of black holes (left by burned-out stars).

These are tunnel connections between entirely different areas in the universe through which information can be transmitted outside of space and time. The DNA attracts these bits of information and passes them on to our consciousness. This process of hyper-communication (telepathy, channeling) is most effective in a state of relaxation.

Stress, worry or a hyperactive intellect prevent successful hyper-communication or the information will be totally distorted and useless. In nature, hyper-communication has been successfully applied for millions of years. The organized flow of life in insects proves this dramatically. Modern man knows it only on a much more subtle level as "intuition." But we, too, can regain full use of it.

As an example from nature, when a queen ant is separated from her colony, the remaining worker ants will continue building fervently according to plan. However, if the queen is killed, all work in the colony stops. No ant will know what to do. Apparently, the queen transmits the "building plans" even if far away - via the group consciousness with her subjects. She can be as far away as she wants, as long as she is alive.

In humans, hyper-communication is most often encountered when one suddenly gains access to information that is outside one's knowledge base. Such hyper-communication is then experienced as inspiration or intuition (also in trance channeling). The Italian composer Giuseppe Tartini, for instance, dreamt one night that a devil sat at his bedside playing the violin. The next morning Tartini was able to note down the piece exactly from memory. He called it the Devil's Trill Sonata.

For years, a 42-year old male nurse dreamt of a situation in which he was hooked up to a kind of knowledge CD-ROM. Verifiable knowledge from all imaginable fields was then transmitted to him that he was able to recall in the morning. There was such a flood of information that it seemed a whole encyclopedia was transmitted at night. The majorities of facts were outside his personal knowledge base and reached technical details of which he knew absolutely nothing. When hyper-communication occurs, one can observe in the DNA, as well as in the human, supernatural phenomena.

The Russian scientists irradiated DNA samples with laser light. On screen, a typical wave pattern was formed. When they removed the DNA sample, the wave pattern did not disappear, it remained. Many controlled experiments showed that the pattern continued to come from the removed sample, whose energy field apparently remained by itself. This effect is now called phantom DNA effect. It is surmised that energy from outside of space and time still flows through the activated wormholes after the DNA was removed. The side effects encountered most often in hyper-communication in humans are inexplicable electromagnetic fields in the vicinity of the persons concerned.

Electronic devices like CD players and the like can be irritated and cease to function for hours. When the electromagnetic field slowly dissipates, the devices function normally again. Many healers and psychics know this effect from their work: the better the atmosphere and energy, the more frustrating it can be for recording devices as they stop functioning at that exact moment. Often by next morning all is back to normal.

Perhaps this is reassuring to read for many, as it has nothing to do with them being technically inept; it means they are good at hyper-communication.

In their book Vernetzte Intelligenz, Grazyna Gosar and Franz Bludorf explain these connections precisely and clearly. The authors also quote sources presuming that in earlier times humanity had been just like the animals: very strongly connected to group consciousness and thereby acted as a group. In order to develop and experience individuality, however, we humans had to forget hyper-communication almost completely.

Now that we are fairly stable in our individual consciousness, we can create a new form of group consciousness - namely one in which we attain access to all information via our DNA without being forced or remotely controlled about what to do with that information. We now know that just as we use the internet, our DNA can feed proper data into the network, can retrieve data from the network, and can establish contact with other participants in the network. Remote healing, telepathy or "remote sensing" about the state of another can thus be explained. Some animals know from afar when their owners plan to return home. This can be freshly interpreted and explained via the concepts of group consciousness and hyper-communication.

Any collective consciousness cannot be sensibly used over any period of time without a distinctive individuality; otherwise we would revert to a primitive herd instinct that is easily manipulated. Hyper-communication in the new millennium means something quite different.

Researchers think that if humans with full individuality would regain group consciousness, they would have a god-like power to create, alter and shape things on Earth! AND humanity is collectively moving toward such a group consciousness of the new kind.

Fifty percent of children will become a problem as soon as they go to school, since the system lumps everyone together and demands adjustment. But the individuality of today's children is so strong that they refuse this adjustment and resist giving up their idiosyncrasies in the most diverse ways.

At the same time more and more clairvoyant children are born. Something in those children is striving more towards the group consciousness of the new kind, and it can no longer be suppressed.

As a rule, weather for example is rather difficult to influence by a single individual. But it may be influenced by group consciousness (nothing new about this to some indigenous tribes). Weather is strongly influenced by Earth resonance frequencies (Schumann frequencies). But those same frequencies are also produced in our brains, and when many people synchronize their thinking or when individuals (spiritual masters, for instance) focus their thoughts in a laser-like fashion, then it is not at all surprising that they can influence the weather.

A modern day civilization which develops group consciousness would have neither environmental problems nor scarcity of energy: for if it were to use such mental powers as a unified civilization, it would have control of the energies of its home planet as a natural consequence.

When a great number of people become unified with higher intention as in meditating on peace - potentials of violence also dissolve.

Apparently, DNA is also an organic superconductor that can work at normal body temperature, as opposed to artificial superconductors which require extremely low temperatures between 200 and 140°C to function. In addition, all superconductors are able to store light and thus information. This further explains how DNA can store information.

There is another phenomenon linked to DNA and wormholes. Normally, these super-small wormholes are highly unstable and are maintained only for the tiniest fractions of a second. Under certain conditions stable wormholes can organize themselves, which then form distinctive vacuum domains in which for example, gravity can transform into electricity. Vacuum domains are self-radiant balls of ionized gas that contain considerable amounts of energy. There are regions in Russia where such radiant balls appear very often.

Following the ensuing confusion the Russians started massive research programs leading finally to some of the discoveries mentions above. Many people know vacuum domains as shiny balls in the sky. The attentive look at them in wonder and ask themselves, what they could be.

I thought once: "Hello up there. If you happen to be a UFO, fly in a triangle." And suddenly, the light balls moved in a triangle. Or they shot across the sky like ice hockey pucks: they accelerated from zero to crazy speeds while sliding silently across the sky. One is left gawking and I have, as many others, too, thought them to be UFOs. Friendly ones, apparently, as they flew in triangles just to please me.

Now, the Russians found - in the regions where vacuum domains often appear - that sometimes fly as balls of light from the ground upwards into the sky, and that these balls can be guided by thought. Since then it has been found that vacuum domains emit waves of low frequency that are also produced in our brains and because of this similarity of waves they are able to react to our thoughts. To run excitedly into one that is on ground level might not be such a great idea, because those balls of light can contain immense energies and are capable of mutating our genes.

Many spiritual teachers also produce such visible balls or columns of light in deep meditation or during energy work, which trigger decidedly pleasant feelings and do not cause any harm. Apparently this is also dependent on some inner order, quality and origin of the vacuum domain. There are some spiritual teachers, like the young Englishman Ananda, for example, with whom nothing is seen at first, but when one tries to take a photograph while they sit and speak or meditate in hyper-communication, one gets only a picture of a white cloud on a chair.

In certain Earth healing projects, such light effects also appear on photographs. Simply put, this phenomena has to do with gravity and anti-gravity forces that are ever more stable forms of wormholes and displays of hyper-communication with energies from outside our time and space structure. Earlier generations that experienced such hyper-communication and visible vacuum domains were convinced that an angel had appeared before them: and we cannot be too sure to what forms of consciousness we can get access when using hyper-communication.

Not having scientific proof for their actual existence, people having had such experiences do NOT all suffer from hallucinations. We have simply made another giant step towards understanding our reality. Official science also knows of gravity anomalies on Earth that contribute to the formation of vacuum domains. Recently gravity anomalies have been found in Rocca di Papa, south of Rome.

...........

The full article can be viewed - in English - on the Kontext website

http://www.fosar-bludorf.com/index_eng.htm


All information is from the book "Vernetzte Intelligenz" von Grazyna Fosar und Franz Bludorf, ISBN 3930243237, summarized and commented by Baerbel. The book is unfortunately only available in German so far. You can reach the authors here:

Kontext - Forum for Border Science
http://www.fosar-bludorf.com
 
Re: Bock Saga - possible evidence of our STO past

Sounds like a pathological hoax to me based on the wikipedia info:

Ior Bock (born Bror Holger Svedlin; January 17, 1942) claims that his family line (Boxström) has been keepers of an ancient folklore tradition passed down through the generations, that provides insight into the pagan culture of Finland and its history.

Biography

According to Bock's autobiographical The Bock Saga, he was born as the result of an incestuous relationship between captain Knut Victor Boxström (1860-1942), who would have been 81 years old at the time, and his own daughter Rhea. Knut's only son had been killed in the Finnish Civil War in 1918, and this was a desperate measure to continue the male line. Knut Victor Boxström died a month after Ior's birth. Ior was adopted by Rhea's husband, Bror Gustaf Bertil Svedlin.

The Finnish free-lance journalist Magnus Londen would rather Bock be born to a gardener from Porvoo and adopted by Bertil and Rhea Boxstrom-Svedlin. In his investigative article Londen stresses that Ior Bock seems to have had a somewhat troublesome childhood. At the age of nine, in 1951, he was supposedly sent off to an institution. He finished school at age 15 and got a training practice as a lighting technician at Svenska Teatern, The Swedish Theatre in Helsinki, where he completed his basic education to become a professional actor at the same theatre by the age of 21.

In May 1962, Ior's brother Erik (also adopted) died of a gunshot wound sustained under unclear circumstances. In the police report, Ior originally stated that he had thrown a loaded pistol to Erik, which accidentally went off, shooting him through the heart and killing him; however, he later claimed (or admitted) that his brother had committed suicide. In closing the case Ior was eventually given a four-month suspended sentence for involuntary manslaughter.

Due to his family's specific interest and knowledge of Finnish history he became privately engaged with the history of the island fortress Sveaborg (in Finnish, Suomenlinna), the largest and most central monument of modern Finland. By 1969 and until 1984 he was employed as a tourist guide there. That was when his incredible saga became known.

On June 3, 1999, Ior Bock was attacked in Helsinki and stabbed in the back with a knife several times. The attack left him a quadriplegic. He continues to promote his ideas.

Teachings

After the funeral of his mother (June 23, 1984) Ior (Boxström-Svedlin) claimed that his mother Rhea (Boxstrom-Svedlin) had left him a will that contained a very specific duty, which was to bring their very family-saga to the attention of professional historians as well as the public. The first recordings were done in Swedish in 1984 and 1985 at The Archive of Folklore in Helsinki. Later he gave further outlines and specifics in numerous tapes - and 1996 the Finnish writer Juha Javanainen collected some basic extracts in the book Bockin Perheen Saga (Helsinki, 1996).

In his saga Ior Bock employs a distinct and particular etymology, based on the letters of the Scandinavian alphabets (Swedish and Finnish). To support his allegedly "historical" saga he relates it to the old folklore of Scandinavia, supposedly describing what formed the nucleus of the ancient Finnish and Scandinavian cultures. The saga describes in detail many topics, such as geography, arts, architecture, northern European family lines, and so on.

One of the more surprising lessons to be learned from his stories is that the ancient culture had very different ideals from our modern ones, such as the common tradition of sperm-drinking. The reason is seemingly to "save their semen" - by practising autofellatio, which this family-saga names sauna-solmu - in order to drink the Viisauden Vesi (water of wisdom), also referred to as "The Water of Life" and "The Seeds of Life" (spermia). Women would ingest their mahla (sap - female ejaculation) accordingly. Moreover they would drink their vaginal liquid with a straw. Further they would also insert the straw into another woman's vagina. Eventually they would insert the straw into the penis hole (Polifemo's eye) of a male. According to the Bock Saga this used to be collective tradition amongst men and women, where "heart-friends" (of the same sex) would share a special favour and sacrament to each other, enhancing their respective fertility and vital energy.

Besides yoga exercises to keep limber, he and his followers began fundraising in order to finance the excavation of an ancient treasure chamber, the legendary Temple of Lemminkäinen. According to his family's stories, a large stone slab covered the entrance to one of the temple's hallways - on the side of a mountain.

In the summer of 1990, marijuana smoking was observed on Ior Bock's premises, which led to police charges and a social scandal. As a consequence, sponsorship of the excavation drastically diminished. The last excavation work stopped in 1991 - far away from completion. Ior Bock has since been trying to raise funds to resume the excavation, but without success. Yet, he still contends that there were many encouraging features discovered during the former excavations.

Bock in modern culture

In 1994, Kingston Wall, a Finnish progressive rock group included the core of Bock's teachings on their last album, Tri-Logy. The saga was described in the CD booklet and some of the song lyrics featured themes from it.
 
Re: Bock Saga - possible evidence of our STO past

When I first read "Bock Saga" I went; No way, can't be, not on this site.

As you can see from the wikipedia info Laura provided this is not a guy you can trust(well you can trust this, he will allways tell a tall tale).

I've met him(once, about 1980) in person when he was a guide at Sveaborg fortress. You can say he made an impact on a young boy's(13-15) mind...
 
Re: Bock Saga - possible evidence of our STO past

Hi, EmeraldHope:
Thank you for bringing the book "Vernetzte Intelligenz" to the attention of this forum.
I am reading it now and will start a thread when I have digested the information.
It should definitely NOT be under disinformation.
Especially the topic of hyperdimensional communication and group consciousness should
be of great interest to this forum.
Here is one of the Russian sources quoted by Bludorf and Fosar:
Dmitrijev, A.N. and Djatlov, V. L.
Model of a non-homogenous physical vacuum and natural self-luminous phenomena.
Maybe the Russian speaking forum members could search the Russian literature
on the other subjects in your excellent summary.
 
Re: Bock Saga - possible evidence of our STO past

Leo40 said:
Hi, EmeraldHope:
Thank you for bringing the book "Vernetzte Intelligenz" to the attention of this forum.
I am reading it now and will start a thread when I have digested the information.
It should definitely NOT be under disinformation.

Hi Leo40, perhaps you are unaware of the definition of disinformation? It necessarily includes tiny fragments of truth in order to mislead. Have you read the other input in this thread?

If you plan to post on this book after reading about it, please do so in this thread - no need to start another.
 
Hi, Anart:

In my posting I am refering to a specific book that merits investigation.
The content of this book has nothing to do with disinformation, it presents
results of scientific studies that unfortunately are mostly from Russian sources.
Therefore it should perhaps be in the "books" section?
Your comments are always appreciated.
 
Re: Bock Saga - possible evidence of our STO past

Leo40 said:
Maybe the Russian speaking forum members could search the Russian literature
on the other subjects in your excellent summary.


I looked up the Russian DNA stuff and Piotr Gariaiev-- it sounded familiar, I have read about him before -- and he sounds like a total fake. His biography has been beefed up with false credentials (he has no "doctor of science" degree or membership in the various academies he mentions, half of those doesn't even exist); people found serious errors in his experiments and formulas, and he has no publications in peer-reviewed journals. He also collaborates and publishes together with Akimov and Shipov, who are pushing the torsion fields (///http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torsion_field) -- Ark has looked into them extensively, if I remember correctly (e.g., they are mentioned here: ///http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=540.msg16884#msg16884). Same bunch of folks.

I am sorry, there is very little of value in terms of independent scientific research in Russian life sciences for the last 20 years or so. With the crisis of the 90-s and all the resulting changes in the education, lack of financing and "brain drain" (exodus of technical intelligentsia), it fell behind to the point that many people question whether it sill survive at all. So, a phrase along the lines of, "the latest Russian scientific research", which suggests something presumably independent and even opposed to the Western research, but mind-blowing and amazing, IMO is a sure sign of disinfo in and of itself.

fwiw,
 
Hi, Hildegarda:

Thank you for clearing up the DNA issue. The article I mentioned is found here:

Author: Alexei N. Dmitrijev Dmitrijev


Professor of geology and mineralogy, member of the Scientific Council of the United Institute of Geology, Geophysics and Mineralogy, Siberian Department of Russian Academy of Sciences.
Expert on Global Ecology and Fast-Processing Earth Events.

SUMMARY
Ongoing changes in the Earth planetofyzikální receive final form.
There is conclusive evidence that the cause of the ongoing transformation is a highly energy-charged material and energy imbalance antisotropického interstellar space which have broken into the interplanetary area of our solar system.

This "donation" of energy is producing hybrid processes and disrupts energy states in all planets, including the Sun. Effects of the Earth showing accelerating the transfer of magnetic poles, changes in the vertical and vertical distribution of atmospheric ozone volume and increasing the frequency and magnitude of significant catastrophic climatic events.

The probability that are moving to rapid temperature instability period similar as 10 000 years ago, is growing.
Adaptive capacity of the biosphere, together with the impact of humanity on these new conditions, may in these new circumstances, lead to a complete revision of the global number of species and terrestrial life forms. Understanding of the fundamental changes underway in our natural environment will allow the politicians first and foremost the citizens were able to keep one's cool during the adaptation planetofyzikálního status and related processes.

This is just a brief quote using google translate.
_www.mwm.cz/clanek1.php?id=1129&pjmeno...p1= - Cached - Similar

He discusses the changes taking place now in the entire solar system.
The language is Czech.
 

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