Boy, 17, charged with 11 rapes in Montreal

[OPINMYND81]

Yeah, well, what can I say, the article byline says it all.

link = http://news(dot)sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/TopStories/ContentPosting.aspx?newsitemid=CTVNews%2f20061110%2fserialrapist_montreal_061110&feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V2&showbyline=True

A 17-year-old youth has been arrested and faces 21 charges connected with a series of sexual assaults that occurred in Montreal North over the last year.

The accused will appear in court again on Nov. 15 to have a date set for a bail hearing.

The boy was arrested in connection with 11 sexual assaults that took place starting in November of 2005, with the most recent occurring two weeks ago.

The teenager appeared in youth court Friday, wearing a black T-shirt with a picture of rapper Tupac Shakur on it. His father waved his rosary beads at his son as the charges, which include aggravated sexual assault, armed robbery and forcible confinement, were read.

The accused did not show any expression as the crown asked for him to be sentenced as an adult if found guilty.

"In youth court the most he can be sentenced to is two years," crown prosecutor Sylvie Lemieux told reporters afterward in French. "As an adult, he can spend up to 14 years in prison."

The accused will appear in court again on Nov. 15 to have a date set for a bail hearing.

News of an arrest comes as relief for people who live in the Montreal North neighbourhood.

"I'm very happy they caught him," one resident told CTV News. "I think we'll be safer in Montreal North. The young girls going to high school were very worried about going to high school."

The young age of the accused has shocked some observers. He is alleged to have committed his first assault at age 16. But police said that they are not as shocked as they once might have been.

"Five years ago we couldn't imagine a teenager (of) 15, 16, 17 could be involved as a serial rapist," sexual assault squad spokesman Cmdr Pierre Leduc told reporters. "But in 2006, I might say yeah, (the number of young offenders) goes higher and higher -- we have more teenagers involved in sexual assault."

In August, investigators began to examine a pattern in assaults that took place in the part of Montreal bound by Albert Hudon Blvd., Lacordaire Blvd., Leger Blvd. and Henri Bourassa Blvd. E.

Each of the victims were followed during daylight hours as they walked alone, with their assailant striking up a conversation, then forcing them behind a building.

Then the assailant began using a knife. He threatened three victims with a blade in September, adding urgency to the investigation.

Police released a composite sketch last week and, based on 75 tips received from the public, narrowed their investigation.

The youth was detained on Tuesday after police used a warrant to obtain a sample of his DNA. He was released while the sample was tested and re-arrested Tuesday afternoon.

Police allege that his DNA matched that found on two of the victims.

The victims are believed to have been targeted for their physical similarities.

All were white and between 17 and 25 years old.

"The description of the victims -- they're almost the same," said Leduc. "The same ... height, the weight, the color of the hair."

With a report from CTV's Rob Lurie in Montreal

"But in 2006..."

Signs of the times, indeed.

 

[Seeker 1313]

HI OPINMYND81,

I wanted to comment on this story and say while it is shocking to think teenagers could be involved in these types of sexual offenses, it is not uncommen. My employment in the United States brings me into contact with sexual offenders between the ages of 10 and 18 everyday. These offense are not of a sexual nature, but are clearly acts of power and control. The fact that he targeted women indicates that he has deep need to assert dominance over females. This can be either learned from exposure to male role models who denegrate women regularly or the need for the dominance may have come from being exposed to an overbearing female over time.
Serial offenders are commen because they do not normally commit one offense and then stop, but usually commit several before they are apprehended if at all. Regardless of the amount of treatment the young man in the article recieves he will remain a likely candidate for recidivism due to the fact that he has many high risk factors: the number of victims, the types of victims ie..strangers, and the use of threat or force. This perpatrator was most likley abused him self at some point in his life. Think of it this way, he is running around brazenly stealing powers from others in public places. The question to then ask: Who stole his power?
He is most likley antisocial and probably exposed himself in public prior to committing the rapes.
We live in a frightening world and these offenders can never be cured. They learn in treatment methods to help them control their behaviors and so, just like alcoholics they must lear and maintain a non offending thought process and recidivicm is at the publics expense.

 

[anart]

This can be either learned from exposure to male role models who denegrate women regularly or the need for the dominance may have come from being exposed to an overbearing female over time. <sinp> The question to then ask: Who stole his power?

This is an interesting example of the thought process that results in an assumption that 'people do bad things because something bad has happened to them - or they are having a bad day - or someone did them wrong'.

What if this young man, and many others just like him, do it simply because they are 'bad' - they are predators with no conscience or compassion. What if these young men are born this way and it wasn't a role model who abused women, or a domineering woman (which goes straight to a 'blame the victim' mentality) that 'caused' this behavior in the first place?

The observable fact of the matter is that there is a segment of the population who are not human - they have no ability to feel compassion, empathy or any depth of normal human emotion - they are predators in the strictest sense of the word, yet they look just like you and me.

I do realize that there is a percentage of sex offenders who have been abused and are propogating a culture of violence onto others, but the wholesale attribution of this behavior to a question of 'who stole there power' is missing the most important factor in the equation - that of the psychopath, or the individual who displays psychopathic behavior due to various characteropathies.

There are many, many threads on the forum that discuss psychopathic behavior in great detail if you'd like more information - simply do a search on the term psychopath, using the search function at the top of the page.

Also, regarding the article itself, the fact that, "The description of the victims -- they're almost the same," said Leduc. "The same ... height, the weight, the color of the hair." - could speak to some sort of programming, be it installed via 3D or 4D methods - or it could simply be that these types of women are what increase his appetite...

 

[OPINMYND81]

Interesting observations and anaylsis. I'm not surprised by the boy's age, but more of the number of people he victimized (I would certainly not be surprised if there were indeed more than 11). I'm well aware that younger people are becoming more and more prone to be aggressive sexual predators.

The film "Kids" was released a little over a decade ago and shone a small, but nevertheless illuminating, light on the rising phenomenon. And I believe it is safe to say that, if the phenomenon gets past Hollywood censoring and choping that the problem is likely 10 times as worse. And this was just a little over 10 years ago so the problem must have been on the rise for at least a decade before, right in the Reagan Era (imagine my shock).

When the film came out I was 14 years old and while kids that age knew of sexual slang and talked dirty, they didn't necessarily "walk the walk" in terms of being sexually aggressive (then again I did go to a private school, but that's just splitting hairs). They were sexually active obviously but nothing like today. A mere couple of years later and I heard of a grade 7 student demanding a woman for sexual favours during a field trip. 5 years earlier it would not have been heard of; goes to show how things change fast. Now, the situation is beyond belief. Young kids, barely teenagers, are now performing oral sex as casually as giving a handshake. And that's just the tip of the iceburg. People may believe that the problem is being over-hyped by "the media" such as tv shows like Law and Order, Boston Public, etc. but I've heard of such accounts from young people who confirm that this is the Zeitgeist of our day and age. Now it seems girls as young as 4 are already getting their periods, and I've seen 11 year old girls with endowments that would make most adult women blush.

It's almost as if the PTB are raising a generation of youngsters to be sex slaves.

Back to the topic at hand. In terms of whether or not the young man is a psychopath or not doesn't seem to me to be all that important or a singular causal determining factor. Afterall, the crime has been done and he would likely do it again if released to the public. I know that SOTT really hits hard on the psychopathy issue, and for good reason, but viewing everything through this paradigm has coloured many persons perspective IMHO. Remember, psychopaths make up, at most on average, 4% of the population, a not very large figure. Their victims however, number much higher, and perhaps their offspring as well. Psychopaths will spread there influence by "tainting" and shaping and, ultimately, almost 'infecting' their victims so that the victims end up perputuating that abuse. We all know how much damage just one psychopath can do to scores of people across many distances and generations.

The young man does not necessarily have to be a psychopath, have been Greenbaum'ed or a victim of SRA (Satanic Ritual Abuse) to have done what he did; it could have been a combination of things. But I do believe that a psychopath is responsible, no matter how distanced they may have been from the young man. We won't know anything as we don't have access to the details of the young man's life and we probably never will. Whether the boy is a pure psychopath or merely had one in his life who "stole his power" in the end the damage is done and nothing will change unless this information not only reaches the public but is properly acted upon.

 

[Seeker 1313]

Anart Wrote:
This is an interesting example of the thought process that results in an assumption that 'people do bad things because something bad has happened to them - or they are having a bad day - or someone did them wrong'.


I mean no disrespect however, I had to respond to this because the information in my post was 100% accurate and not based on the assumption that people do bad things because bad things happen to them. Many victims of sexual assaults do not go on to offend and so it is inaccurate to attribute this youngs mans behaviors to his victimization. The reasearch shows that 75% of rapists have been victimized themselves at some point in their lives. There are known ingredients to these types of behaviors and a simple search on juvenile sex offenders will shed some on light on these facts. This young man is most likley anti-social and none of us really knows why at this point. His behaviors were several years in the making. I have read the Wave, The Casseopaien Adventure, Transformation of America, and Dr. Stouts book the Sociopath next door and so I do understand the thought that these people have no empathy for others and I would certainly agree that a high percentage of them do not. These folks are the products of both nature and nurture and people do horrible things to children and we are seeing the results including this young man.

 

[anart]

Many victims of sexual assaults do not go on to offend and so it is inaccurate to attribute this youngs mans behaviors to his victimization.

Yes, this is very true and I may have misunderstood your original post, because in it you cleary imply that he is doing this because someone has 'stolen his power' - because he has been emotionally or physically victimized at some point in his life.

Many people who are abused do not ever abuse anyone else - so what I am pointing out is that something else is going on in the people who do go on to abuse others, that does not 'go on' in the people who do not do such things.

 

[Tigersoap]

What's going on with violent sexual assault from kids ?

I have heard other stories such as these in the past couple of months (Europe included.)

Another one here pretty sordid :

Investigators in Flagler County, Fla., are looking into accusations that a boy under the age of 7 sexually abused a classmate with a stick at an elementary school.

http://www.local6.com/news/10295554/detail.html


Also, note that the journalist specify how and I find this equally disturbing.

 

[Keit]

What's going on with violent sexual assault from kids ?

I think something terrible is going on. And while I was looking for an english version of two cases I wanted to present, I found that both rapes occured during November 2005.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArtVty.jhtml?sw=rape&itemNo=786864

Haifa Magistrate's Court sentenced a 16-year-old boy to a five-year prison term Sunday for kidnapping and sexually assaulting a 4-year-old boy.

The accused and his friend enticed the 4-year-old boy to follow them to an abandoned field in November 2005, where they handcuffed his hands and legs, gagged his mouth, and physically and sexually abused him for an hour.

The two left the boy tied up all night, while his parents and police forces searched for him. According to the indictment, the boy's resourcefulness helped him escape and find his way back to his parents.

Another one is in Hebrew only
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3324348,00.html
Last year (november 2005) 6 boys (5 teens, one of them is 19 years old) performed a group rape of 13 years old boy. 2 of the accused were brothers.

There are also lot of stories about child cruelty toward others or animals. It's looks like there are lot of psychopathic children being raized in Israel or in other places. Actually, it's more then disturbing because they are all like ticking bombs. Ticking monsters.

 

[Laura]

I know that SOTT really hits hard on the psychopathy issue, and for good reason, but viewing everything through this paradigm has coloured many persons perspective IMHO. Remember, psychopaths make up, at most on average, 4% of the population, a not very large figure.

There is some disagreement on the numbers anymore. One study showed that 25% of a population of psychology undergrads in a university exhibited psychopathic tendencies. Also, since the U.S. seems to attract the psychopathic types to its dog-eat-dog capitalistic society, it is very likely that the percentages are way higher in the U.S. than anybody yet imagines. As psychologist/researcher Linda Mealey pointed out, psychopathy is selected for success in the U.S.

Lobaczewski suggests that the standard percentage in a "normal" population, counting the various types of psychopathy, can be as high as 9%. If you average the various suggested figures, you end up with right around 12%. In the U.S., that would be about 36 million.

And here we are only talking about genetic deviants. You can probably double that number - or more - when considering the damaged anti-socials of varying types and degrees of pathology. You then end up with fully 1/3rd of the U.S. population.

This last is speculative, of course, because, as Anart pointed out, a lot of people who have been abused never become abusers though they do often tend to continue to be victims throughout their lives.

The scariest kind, though, are the fully functional, socialized, sexual predators that never, ever get caught.

What to do about it? I don't know.

Do we hit the subject too hard?

I don't think we hit it hard enough. Some of the material that has come across our desks is enough to make your blood run cold. I highly recommend Anna Salter's book on this subject, and Dave McGowan's also.

 

[Telperion]

This is troubling but I feel I need to point out that the boys age should not be a surprising factor. One hundred years ago people his age were married with two kids already. But I agree, he most likely is a psychopath or at least a sociopath.

 

[Renaissance]

This is troubling but I feel I need to point out that the boys age should not be a surprising factor. One hundred years ago people his age were married with two kids already. But I agree, he most likely is a psychopath or at least a sociopath.

Whether it is surprising or not, I think age is an important factor here. Psychological deviants are finding it easier to express themselves at younger ages and in more severe degrees. It shows the strength and state of our ponerization.

 

[Telperion]

This is troubling but I feel I need to point out that the boys age should not be a surprising factor. One hundred years ago people his age were married with two kids already. But I agree, he most likely is a psychopath or at least a sociopath.

Whether it is surprising or not, I think age is an important factor here. Psychological deviants are finding it easier to express themselves at younger ages and in more severe degrees. It shows the strength and state of our ponerization.

I never thought I would again find a use for this evil book, but 'The Disappearance of Childhood' by Neil Postman makes a convincing argument for childhood indeed being a relatively new phenomenon. Ponerization most likely knew no age boundaries before the Middle Ages when the idea of childhood as we know it fisrt began to take shape

(I call the book evil because at a certain point in his discourse he proceeds to blame the erosion of family values and on gays and feminists, however the book is not totally useless.)

 

[Renaissance]

I never thought I would again find a use for this evil book, but 'The Disappearance of Childhood' by Neil Postman makes a convincing argument for childhood indeed being a relatively new phenomenon. Ponerization most likely knew no age boundaries before the Middle Ages when the idea of childhood as we know it fisrt began to take shape

(I call the book evil because at a certain point in his discourse he proceeds to blame the erosion of family values and on gays and feminists, however the book is not totally useless.)

Just so we're all on the same page, here's a summary of Postman's book:

_http://www.serioustimes.com/pdf/update/1.20.pdf

The Disappearance of Childhood….and More
One of sociologist Neil Postman’s many provocative works was titled The Disappearance of
Childhood. His thesis was that children are being robbed of their innocence, their naiveté, their
ability to even be a child. He contended that in our world, we ask children to embrace mature
issues, themes and experiences, long before they are ready. Postman argues that the very idea of
childhood is that there is a time when a young person is sheltered from certain ideas, experiences,
practices, expectations and knowledge. They are sheltered from adult secrets, particularly sexual
ones. Certain facets of life - its mysteries, contradictions, tragedies, violence - are not considered
suitable for children to know. Only as a child grows into adulthood are they revealed in ways that
they can assimilate psychologically, emotionally and spiritually.

Postman’s analysis, first offered in 1982, was prescient. Today, twelve and thirteen year-old girls
are among the highest paid models in America, presented to us as knowing and sexually enticing
adults. Children's literature no longer exists. The language of adults and children - including what
they address in life - has become the same. It is virtually uncontested among sociologists that the
behavior, language, attitudes and desires - even the physical appearance - of adults and children
are becoming indistinguishable. Even the children on TV act like adults. They do not differ
significantly in their interests, language, dress or sexuality from the adults on the show; making the
same knowing wisecracks, and tossing out the same sexual innuendo.

As Postman writes, in having access to the previously hidden fruit of adult information, the child is
expelled from the garden of childhood.

Postman argues that it is the accessibility of 'adult secrets' that creates the 'child-like-adult'. He's basically stating that our inability to hide society's 'badness' to a child until they're mature is the cause of 'the disappearance of childhood'. I think this is where he comes close but misses the mark that the study of ponerology provides. It's not that these secrets are adult, but that they're pathological. These are the influences which hinder proper mental growth and keep children and adults at the lowest possible level of personality development, the psychopathic level (which Dabrowski termed primary integration). Just as there's been a disappearance of childhood, there's also a disappearance of adulthood; in their place is an underdeveloped personality warped by pathology. And this now being a world-wide phenomenon, I would think the degree of each stage of ponerization would be expressed in greater severity.

childhood indeed being a relatively new phenomenon.

You believe childhood is 'new'?? The perception of children certainly was different hundreds of years ago - then they were seen as mini-adults, but it's quite obvious to anyone whose been a child...and an adult, that there are certainly distinctly different periods of life.

I'm not clear on this, but if Postman is positing that childhood is not at all biological, then I think he lost his marbles. Also, his whole argument of the need for children to experience childhood for proper development wouldn't even make sense if it was a purely sociological construct.

 

[Azur]

I'm not clear on this, but if Postman is positing that childhood is not at all biological, then I think he lost his marbles. Also, his whole argument of the need for children to experience childhood for proper development wouldn't even make sense if it was a purely sociological construct.

Please feel free to elucidate what constitutes the transition from child to adult, in your current view.

 

[vinny]

I'm not clear on this, but if Postman is positing that childhood is not at all biological, then I think he lost his marbles. Also, his whole argument of the need for children to experience childhood for proper development wouldn't even make sense if it was a purely sociological construct.

Please feel free to elucidate what constitutes the transition from child to adult, in your current view.

if we're talking in biological terms then: puberty?

but also, according to current wisdom, I think there are various distinct (and essential) stages of psychological development during which a child moves away from being merely an extension of 'mother', and develops a sense of self, and then a sense of placing of self within external social context.