Busking

RevolutionaryJam

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hi sorry I was in a rush
yeah this is a video I posted regarding my recent experiences the first time I went busking
and my observations of peoples behaviour

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVkYh9RihPE
 
Hello RJ,

Would you be nice to explain what you find interesting in this video and explain what it's all about for people who might not have the time to check it out ?

Also don't forget to post an introduction of yourself in the Newbie section

Thank you.
 
RevolutionaryJam said:
hi sorry I was in a rush
yeah this is a video I posted regarding my recent experiences the first time I went busking
and my observations of peoples behaviour

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVkYh9RihPE
Hi RevolutionaryJam and Welcome,

Some interesting videos you have produced especially your presentation of psychopathy where you promote 'without conscience' and Political Ponerology. Please do follow Tigersoap's suggestion and tell us more about yourself. We'd like to find out more about you.
 
Hi and welcome RevolutionaryJam!

I remember your videos from YouTube, I've seen some of them before and wondered whether you were a member of this forum.
 
hi RevolutionaryJam, welcome to the forum.

For reference I've added a link to your intro to psychopathy, seeing as it's a 'hot topic' here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6uNQOUxX44&feature=related

Have you read The Wave series of articles, and also Adventures With Cassiopaea? If not, they will give you lots more context, and an idea what this forum is about.

looking forward to further discussions.
 
The video is entitled: "Busking and the Fascination of Children vs. the Lack of Interest of Adults"

This is something I have a big interest in. Our curiosity is stunted by our parents. Children just want to know and they ask open questions all the time. "What's that? Why?" and a lot of parents don't seem to care about that; their child's curiosity doesn't rank high on their list of priorities; it's more a burden. The response I often see from these parents is silence. Children in that position then learn not to ask questions, and I think that's horrible.

I think a lot of it has to do with dissociation. When you live in a dissociated state, you don't notice the things around you; you walk around with tunnel vision, like Ouspensky's snail. You can't question things you don't notice. Adults live this way and they just don't SEE what children see. So when they hear a question from the child about something they haven't noticed or taken an interest in, they think the answer inconsequential, childish even. They'd fear embarrassment by stopping and looking at a chair and wondering how it's put together and how it holds the weight of a person.

The article Laura posted recently about narcissists (here) gives another good reason for this. It talks about when Narcissists can't stand the feeling of being wrong and not knowing something. If they feel it themselves, it shatters their ego and if they think they've exposed the fact that they don't know something to another person, then that brings fears of rejection or scorn or ridicule, which they interpret as a reflection of their true nature.

To be curious is to admit that you don't know everything, and a lot of people can't do that. The predator can't stand the mental state of 'openness'.
 
T.C. said:
This is something I have a big interest in. Our curiosity is stunted by our parents. Children just want to know and they ask open questions all the time. "What's that? Why?" and a lot of parents don't seem to care about that; their child's curiosity doesn't rank high on their list of priorities; it's more a burden. The response I often see from these parents is silence. Children in that position then learn not to ask questions, and I think that's horrible.

It is horrible and likely has to do with self-referencing - not really putting themselves in the place of their child (a form of narcissism).


TC said:
I think a lot of it has to do with dissociation. When you live in a dissociated state, you don't notice the things around you; you walk around with tunnel vision, like Ouspensky's snail. You can't question things you don't notice. Adults live this way and they just don't SEE what children see.

Well, you also have to remember that children are extremely dissociative - they spend a lot of their time 'not here' - for lots of different reasons, so it may not be dissociation of the adults to blame, though that might come into play some of the time.


tc said:
So when they hear a question from the child about something they haven't noticed or taken an interest in, they think the answer inconsequential, childish even. They'd fear embarrassment by stopping and looking at a chair and wondering how it's put together and how it holds the weight of a person.

That would speak to inhibition - which, I think, is definitely a factor. Adults have usually internalized societal standards and are, thus, rather inhibited in a lot of ways, including 'getting into a busker' - osit.


tc said:
The article Laura posted recently about narcissists (here) gives another good reason for this. It talks about when Narcissists can't stand the feeling of being wrong and not knowing something. If they feel it themselves, it shatters their ego and if they think they've exposed the fact that they don't know something to another person, then that brings fears of rejection or scorn or ridicule, which they interpret as a reflection of their true nature.

I'm not sure that directly applies, since a busker wouldn't really be challenging a narcissistic need to be right. A busker might prompt a feeling of superiority in a narcissist, thus a lack of interest or curiosity, but I don't think there is any challenge to 'being right' - to a classic narcissist, a busker would be trivial, an amusement and unless they served a purpose, something to be ignored.

The lack of adult attention to the busker might - however - speak to a 'narrowing of the adult's world' (inhibition) or 'tunnel vision' and a general lack of inquisitiveness - assuming the busker is good at what they do in the first place.

tc said:
To be curious is to admit that you don't know everything, and a lot of people can't do that. The predator can't stand the mental state of 'openness'.

That's true, though, again I'm not sure how it directly relates to this situation simply because most buskers are impersonal and passed on the street; not really in a position to challenge one's knowledge or standing in any way - though, this is just my take on it and I could be mistaken.
 
Interesting. I've never heard the term "Busking" before.

Busking is a British term used in many areas of the English-speaking world. Busking is the practice of performing in public places for tips and gratuities. People engaging in this practice are called buskers or street performers. Busking performances can be just about anything that people find entertaining. The place where a busker performs is called their pitch.
Source: _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busking
 
anart said:
tc said:
The article Laura posted recently about narcissists (here) gives another good reason for this. It talks about when Narcissists can't stand the feeling of being wrong and not knowing something. If they feel it themselves, it shatters their ego and if they think they've exposed the fact that they don't know something to another person, then that brings fears of rejection or scorn or ridicule, which they interpret as a reflection of their true nature.

I'm not sure that directly applies, since a busker wouldn't really be challenging a narcissistic need to be right.

Sorry anart, all. My identification with the topic of children being ignored by their parents caused me to stray slightly off topic. I was mentioning those narcissistic traits in relation to how the child challenges the parents, not the buskers.

anart said:
tc said:
To be curious is to admit that you don't know everything, and a lot of people can't do that. The predator can't stand the mental state of 'openness'.

That's true, though, again I'm not sure how it directly relates to this situation simply because most buskers are impersonal and passed on the street; not really in a position to challenge one's knowledge or standing in any way - though, this is just my take on it and I could be mistaken.

Yes, again my apologies. Here I was speaking very generally and referring to what damps adult curiosity compared to what I took for granted as a childhood state of open perception. But now that you've mentioned the fact that children do dissociate a lot, that helps me view the topic in a new way.
 
Hi sorry for taking so long to reply, I want to thank you all kindly for all the responses you have given me I found it very interesting to read thoughts regarding the idea that parents stunt their childrens curiosity, I think that is true!!! no one seems to have any time when they grow up, they're all running around to the next appointment or engagement!

Remember when we were children we could play for hours and hours with toys and not worry that a moment might be wasted?
At some point we got this idea in our head that we were "getting old" and therefor must "do something constructive" with each instance... it's hearbreaking when you think about it!
 
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