Cameron suggests scheme to re-introduce a national service.

joejoeba

Jedi
BBC1 reported tonight that our most probable next (conservative)Prime minister David Cameron has put forth a scheme to offer increased rights and benefits for those children who take part in a new form of voluntary service. The scheme promises for those children who enroll, among others: an earlier age to drive, extra rights and even drinking age lowered. This is all vetted on the level of responsibilty the child shows to have attained.

The politically fueled feature portrayed Mr Cameron sat amoungst a gaggle of clean-dressed urban kids, all sharing their interests in the proposal. The room was brightly lit positive, suggesting comfort and security.
The story opened very briefly showing old footage of young boys and girls in the twentieth century marching with wooden weapons.

The idea is even being muted to progress into a compulsory part of the national curriculum.

Link to article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4642334.stm


I could comment here =]
 
didn't the C's say the Nazis & world war two was practice/trial run...
When I talk to visiting Brits here they often say how limiting our
news is etc.. but it seems control ( cameras etc ) and schemes are often
ahead of us yanks ?
 
It's true in many ways. In England, the recent figures say we're caught three hundred times a day on a camera of some discription.

I am not sure that applies to me as I live in the middle of no-where, but certainly in the cities.......The exact centre this new fluffy national service is aimed at. Training camp London!!

I was in london during our 7/7 and I have to say that the complete shutdown of all escape routes filled me with enough incentive to get out. The sheer mass of traffic blocked the roads and all the trains were down. Better than any electric fence.

As 'civil liberties' and 'human rights' have been heard a little more to the average middle classer, so have the ways in which we are recruited become more devious and subliminal. These ways are everywhere, slowly chipping away at most peoples memories of what is good, how being good and true is and should be and replacinging it with confusion and disdain.

(D I S Ch O R D I A)
 
yeah I saw this article, and was pretty shocked. 'Hitler Youth' seems about right.
Its the latest in a long line of tiny tiny manouvres in that direction, such as more extended after-hours school schemes, and anti-loitering laws to stop kids getting together in public etc etc.

wodasi said:
When I talk to visiting Brits here they often say how limiting our
news is etc.. but it seems control ( cameras etc ) and schemes are often
ahead of us yanks ?
yeah, and part of the problem is that we Brits are in some ways very arrogant about the 'greatness' of our country - you know, we have the 'greatest democracy in the world', and all that crap. for example most people think the BBC is a pillar of society and couldn't possibly be subject to any kind of manipulation and control. Well, that particular view got a bit of a jolt when the BBC director general Greg Dyke was fired for disagreeing with Tony Blair, but most people are in complete denial about that.
 
So the list stands:

propaganda
Biometrics
national service
no veils
no crucifixes
huge taxes
'celebrity'; fueled class divides and aspirations to be famous for appearing on television
the word 'aaargh' springs to mind
couple with the direction: W A R
 
Not to mention free speech, a thing that still exists here but is a mere drop in the ocean of bovine excrement that is pumped out relentlessly day after day.
 
joejoeba said:
Not to mention free speech, a thing that still exists here but is a mere drop in the ocean of bovine excrement that is pumped out relentlessly day after day.
Well free speech can exist even in tyranny I think - but what good is it if no one can hear you speak? And out of those who do, most will demonize you for "abetting" the enemy and supporting terroristsand being unpatriotic. In my understanding, having legal "free speech" does not have anything to do with being "free", just like being able to vote has nothing to do with actually having a choice as to who your president is.

Like the saying goes, "in space, no one can hear you scream". What good is free speech then. :| But word can eke out if we're creative and unpredictable.
 
joejoeba said:
BBC1 reported tonight that our most probable next (conservative)Prime minister David Cameron has put forth a scheme to offer increased rights and benefits for those children who take part in a new form of voluntary service. The scheme promises for those children who enroll, among others: an earlier age to drive, extra rights and even drinking age lowered. This is all vetted on the level of responsibilty the child shows to have attained.
Take it a little further and you have a Starship Troopers scenario, where only former military are considered citizens.
 
Freedom of silence then: freedom of thought. With some of the technology emerging out there it is becoming likely that even the most evasive of us will eventually be tamed, even if we are silent.

Therefore I will continue to silence the dinner party with my words. We have nothing to lose but to speak Now.

Going back to SleepyVinnies reference to Greg Dyke being sacked for disaggreeing with Blair. I really think that Greg was a lucky Man, at least momentarily he was heard. I feel it mind splatteringly frustrating that My statements mean jack except a possible magnet for future victimisation. I would rather go up to TPTB wherever they are and say "Do you realise what you are part of?"
I find it hard to believe that there is a consortium of world controllers as life is so dis-organised and chaotic allready. It's hard enough getting a band together let alone thousands of people. Who exactly manufactures this power obsessed game? I shot a film with Tony Blair's father in law, who is a hilarious yet serious individual. When asked his thoughts on Blair, he replied "He's known as 'Big head in our family'!!! I also asked whether he thought there was any master plan of sorts, and he laughingly replied "It's as shambolic as this filmshoot!"

It appears therefore that chaos is both the maker and destroyer of worlds.

Maybe we should enjoy the ride



"In space no-one can hear you scream, but it's worth giving it a go"
 
joejoeba said:
I would rather go up to TPTB wherever they are and say "Do you realise what you are part of?"
I find it hard to believe that there is a consortium of world controllers as life is so dis-organised and chaotic allready.
While we're disorganized and chaotic, we're like sheep. And a skilled shepherd has all the sheep marching in line - being organized without really knowing what they're doing or why, osit. In case of sheep, dogs work pretty well. With people? "Terrorists".

It's hard enough getting a band together let alone thousands of people. Who exactly manufactures this power obsessed game?
I think it's basically "like attracts like". Psychopaths don't necessarily have to come together and organize and make a plan and try to keep each other focused on it (I'm sure they do, but it's a lot easier to organize than it may appear). They naturally fall into it because they can't be anything else and have no other reason for being - it's like bee's all doing their roles in the bee-hive, they were genetically programmed for it - they did not need to be overtly organized and educated by some "queen bee" about exactly what to do and how to do it. They just do what comes natural.

Same thing here, the pathocracy isn't just an idea that was spread around to all the psychopaths and they all conspired and agreed to go along. It was just a natural result of their combined nature - because they cannot do anything else, it's all they know, it's all they can do - just like bees.

And then it becomes exponentially worse because the pathocracy twists, distorts, but effectively adapts to already-existing ideologies, religions, cultures, philosophies, etc. It infects the thinking of normal people and makes them unable to recognize that something is very wrong - that it has all been perverted beyond recognition. The same words are still used, all the same appearances, but the underlying meaning is gone/corrupted, the essence is missing - the objective reality, the truth is disguised with plausible lies and slight of hand. But on the surface everything looks "normal", so most people never even realise it and go on with their lives. It's only when their lives can no longer be sustained, even in appearance, when they take notice.

I think what might really corroborate the problem, is the Organic Portals. They are probably much more susceptible to the pathocracy's deviant thinking, and more easily go along with it. I think the reason this is so is because the pathocracy corrupts/distorts the more "abstract" philosophies and ideas as well as the more mundane/fundemental ones, things that the OP's never understood in the first place - and so they would not be able to tell the difference between the truth or a lie at that "level", it would make no difference to them, and they'd accept either one (the truth or the lie) as long as it doesn't get in the way with their more "down to earth" concerns. And the pathocrats are very good at maintaining the "worldly" concerns for as long as possible - money, love, sex, movies, etc. Those things only disappear when there is nothing else left.

Considering the possibility that there may be 3 billion of OP's, that's every other person, which would go a long way to really confuse the remaining "normal" people who aren't OP's. Maybe if all 6 billion except for 6% were normal non-OPS, the pathocracy would have a much more difficult time confusing, corrupting, distorting, lying, and just being deviant. But if every other person is easily susceptible, it makes it that much harder for the rest to not go along with it too, it becomes a game of sheer numbers, and when you see a huge number of people accepting a philosophy, it is much more difficult to be critical of it and see through it if it is a lie, especially of those people are "your" country, "your" society, "your" friends, etc.
 
Yes.I see. Shocking really. The battle does appear to be here, on our doorstep, in all guises.

In some ways (as I have noticed people say about themselves numerously in these forums) I posses OP qualities, but I think I am firmly split in the middle-Similar to the 'blade' character: a half and halfer. Every time I come up with a theory, I am strongly plagued by an opposite. And hence forth those opposites multiply and the chaotic mine-field stretches.

Would it be a fair understanding of the theme to suggest that the Organic Portal is directly connected to instinct. I mean we are all natural in some way. I feel that when Instinct is trapped or constrained, then it can be channeled into almost anything to appease it. It is surely what makes us a truly beautifull, creative species but at the same time into slathering muderors.(in the worst cases)

So, Does that not suggest that a level of control IS required? Approached with upmost informed tenderness and education.

I mean, to be marginally faschist, what are the sheep going to do without the shepard? Is this not a slow move toward better quality of shepard!!
The fact remains that all this instinct simmers(little bits implanted I guess). Some people can cognitate and logically examine their actions, but if half can't or, are driven by enforced instinct:we are destined for a rocky road thats to be sure- What happens when there isn't a shepard?

I within myself am not sure what aspect of me I prefer. If I am honest I am forced to hint that they both help 'me'. Thus I use them, thus I am a slave to my own character in an endless spiral of actuality!!

I wonder, if you or I or any one else were given some sheep, how would we be with the flock?
 
joejoeba said:
Some people can cognitate and logically examine their actions, but if half can't or, are driven by enforced instinct:we are destined for a rocky road thats to be sure- What happens when there isn't a shepard?
There are two parts in the above:

Part 1: "Some people can cognitate and logically examine their actions, but if half can't or, are driven by enforced instinct:we are destined for a rocky road thats to be sure"

From my own experience, first as a student (school, university), then as a teacher (school, university) ALL people (with insignificant exceptions) CAN "cogitate and logically examine their actions". They do it, when they are in a proper environment, and when such an activity is required from them.

Part 2: "What happens when there isn't a shepard?". Well, it is well known that our society is built in such a way that people who CAN advance often CHOOSE to degrade, as there are "awards" around for such choices. Shephards are always around. But each member of the herd has free will.

In a society that is built on different principles it could be different. And the situation is not uniform when we move around the globe from on country to another. "The American success model" is clearly the trap here.
 
Sure.

I didn't finish the description effectively: "Some people can cognitate and logically examine their actions"....over other people in a sense that they are fully aware of what they do in a grander sense.

Maybe national service can be good, if within, it's a good service. They wouldn't expect that would they!
 
This is a very interseting thread for me, as I have been talking to a fair few military sorts recently, both current and former. They all suggested that the best solution to the outspread of normlessness in the UK was to have a re-introduction of NS; not necessarily to enlist the kids, but to instill within them a sense of puropse and discipline. Alarm bells rang instantly. I work in an outdoor pursuits store, and we attract a fair amount of military personnel, who do not exhibit to my mind any semblance of superior self-discipline; they are the same as the rest of us, if a little more rigid in both their speech and ways.

No doubt about it though; a streak of normlessness is enveloping a portion of young people, though there could be many explanations for this:

1: Disillusionment
2: Alienation
3: Poor parenting
4: Peer pressure
5: Suggestibility
6: Poor schooling
7: Natural delinquent tendencies
8: Programming (Choose your source as you will)

Now, these symptoms are not exclusive to youngsters, but the fashion of the media outlets is to persuade us that this is so at this moment in time. Why? In my experience with kids, you get what you give. The failures of our teaching staff ought not to be rectified by national service. Most of them are cleverer than they seem; they merely do not exhibit it in traditionally acceptable ways.

A lot of them simply need genuine friends; not drill instructors. Why is mechanization being proposed as a solution at this late hour? After all, it is hardly a modern manifestation. Armies getting thin on applicants? No wonder! They alienated us all, now they want to be the surrogate socialization school. This cynicism stinks to high heaven.

Without an education system that encourages lateral thinking, freedom of expression, active pursuit of truth via logic, reason, instinct, and an abandonment of the cookie cutter cuuriculum, the lamentable ad-exec that is Cameron will see nothing positive develop in the UK. I would sooner vote for a weasel than let that cunning tory schill gain any further influence in the nation than he currently enjoys as the media choice.

Thatcher+Blair=Cameron: Mathematical dementia!!
 
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