Can a Organic Portal astral project?

Can Organic Portals astral project?

Ok guys/girls, hear me out on this one and you'll see where my thought process was going ...

So, it all started by something that happened to a relative of mine.
Since reading about the different characteristics of Organic Portals & Souled individuals, its very hard to not notice evidence of these types
of characteristics in people within our own environment and social scene.
Now, this particular relative of mine has almost all the check boxes ticked for an OP, or a very repressed soul development at least. They are
selfish, lacking any noticable empathy for others, self-gratifying, and thoroughly material/physicality based in their thinking.

Anyway, whether they are actually an OP or not is immaterial, and I'd never judge them one way or another. But what triggered the question
originally in my head was that this person had an OOBE experience, or Astral Projection if you prefer.
Despite the previous characteristics I've described, I do believe the honesty of their account, as they have very strong religious buffers which
totally contradict the experience they had, so had no reason to make this up. In fact, its never been mentioned again since.

But this is besides the point - what happened to this person triggered the question in my head ... Can an Organic Portal astral project?

If it's the soul that projects from the body, then I assume its impossible for an OP to have an Out Of Body Experience?

If its not the soul, but one of the 'etheric' type bodies we have within us, does that mean that an OP can experience an OOBE like anyone else, or
at least something similar to a souled persons OOBE?

We've been given to understand that OP's pretty much have no notion of anything 'higher' than 3D physicality, and will sometimes actively deny
its existence, so is it also right to assume that an OP will not be capable of having this type of experience at all?

Even though the OOBE experience is nothing but a side experience of no real benefit along the road of knowledge; could it be used as a marker to show that the person in question has at least the bare basics of soul development?

Please give me some of your thoughts on this.

Oh, and please don't lecture me on the pitfalls of going around judging people too easily for being an OP - I'm fully aware of the issues associated with that, and this question is more for fun than anything :)
Thanks guys.
 
electrosonic said:
Can Organic Portals astral project?

Ok guys/girls, hear me out on this one and you'll see where my thought process was going ...

So, it all started by something that happened to a relative of mine.
Since reading about the different characteristics of Organic Portals & Souled individuals, its very hard to not notice evidence of these types
of characteristics in people within our own environment and social scene.
Now, this particular relative of mine has almost all the check boxes ticked for an OP, or a very repressed soul development at least. They are
selfish, lacking any noticable empathy for others, self-gratifying, and thoroughly material/physicality based in their thinking.

Well, right there you have gone off-track. Please read our thread discussing Organic Portals in detail. They are not necessarily selfish - they can be the exact opposite - they do NOT "lack noticeable empathy for others". In fact, some of them appear to be OVER-empathic. It takes long and careful observation to discern fundamental flaws in that empathy. They are usually NOT seen as "self-gratifying" since one of the frequent characteristics seems to be an APPEARANCE of self-sacrifice. Discerning their "thorough material/physical" thinking can also be very problematical.

Best do some more studying and thinking.
 
Laura said:
electrosonic said:
Can Organic Portals astral project?

Ok guys/girls, hear me out on this one and you'll see where my thought process was going ...

So, it all started by something that happened to a relative of mine.
Since reading about the different characteristics of Organic Portals & Souled individuals, its very hard to not notice evidence of these types
of characteristics in people within our own environment and social scene.
Now, this particular relative of mine has almost all the check boxes ticked for an OP, or a very repressed soul development at least. They are
selfish, lacking any noticable empathy for others, self-gratifying, and thoroughly material/physicality based in their thinking.

Well, right there you have gone off-track. Please read our thread discussing Organic Portals in detail. They are not necessarily selfish - they can be the exact opposite - they do NOT "lack noticeable empathy for others". In fact, some of them appear to be OVER-empathic. It takes long and careful observation to discern fundamental flaws in that empathy. They are usually NOT seen as "self-gratifying" since one of the frequent characteristics seems to be an APPEARANCE of self-sacrifice. Discerning their "thorough material/physical" thinking can also be very problematical.

Best do some more studying and thinking.

Ah of course, they learn to mimic the emotional responses of souled individuals don't they.
Yes I see now.

Sooo, ignoring all the dross above about the individual in question, and OP's supposed personality traits - is it possible for an Organic Portal to experience an OOBE?
 
Probably not. Though certainly the organic brain does a lot of weird things that may be perceived that way.
 
Hi electrosonic, For further compression of this subject can have a look at these sessions, and then there's this thread about astral projection:
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,5372.0.html

https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,34893.msg496126.html

Laura said:
November 18, 1995 author=Laura link=topic=25788.msg306972#msg306972 date=1321540744]
January 27, 1996

Q: (F) I guess that's mirth! (L) So, that wasn't just an OBE, it was a separation of the soul from the body? Is that the same as astral projection?

A: No.

Q: (L) Do people who have OBE's experience this?

A: With "astal projection" the consciousness level is not as intense because of "the silver cord" and the shroud of third density awareness.

Q: (L) You guys just don't know how intense this experience was. I was SO conscious of EVERYTHING. (T) More conscious than you have ever been before, right? (L) I have to say yes. I was playing with what was happening to me and having fun. I noticed every little sensation.The separating from the body produces a sizzling sound, a sort of electrical sizzle, and it changes as you move in and out of the body. I knew what I was doing. (T) In astral projection, the soul is still connected to the body. In this case, was Laura's soul completely separated from her physical body?

A: Not completely, but the part that was, was.

https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,25788.msg306972.html#msg306972

Laura said:
November 18, 1995

Q: (S) I just learn from them and grow from them... (L) And don't we just answer our own questions? (P) I have a question... the lady who took the aura pictures the other night told me that I can astrally project. Is this true?

A: Everyone can.

Q: (Pk) Am I special?

A: Vague.
 
riclapaz said:
Q: (S) I just learn from them and grow from them... (L) And don't we just answer our own questions? (P) I have a question... the lady who took the aura pictures the other night told me that I can astrally project. Is this true?

A: Everyone can.

So its quite possible that Organic Portals, who don't have developed higher centers, may be able to have the OBE experience.

Which would logically indicate that the essence 'projecting' in that experience, is not the soul. Or, at least, not in the 'run of the mill' type of OBE.

A separation of the soul seems to be something different to a standard OBE, as in Laura's experience highlighted above.

Thank you riclapaz.
 
From what I have read so far, my current understanding is that the umbrella term ESP, which is commonly used for scientific studies, is a manifestation of the non-local character of consciousness. Remote viewing, astral projection, OOBE can be treated within this general framework as consciousness acting separately from the material body breaking the so-called classical "laws of reality" laid down from the strictly materialist perspective of our science. Since our world view is so thoroughly conditioned by this materialist perspective, any manifestation of consciousness appears to us as a magical phenomenon conferring special status to those who experience such manifestations.

We still know very little about consciousness in terms of its levels and qualities. What we do know is that domestic animals like dogs, horses etc can display what science would call "anomalous cognition" or ESP. From the Cass framework, these animals are 2D having a group soul or consciousness rather than individual consciousness. The so-called OPs were originally intended to be a bridge between 2D and 3D. So I would not be surprised if OPs manifest some variety of ESP, like remote viewing type experiences which I think may be treated similarly in general as astral projections or OBEs.
 
Yes, the crux of the question (or answer) seems to lie in the fact that the soul is not the key component in having 'experiences' of this type.

As you've pointed out, it seems entirely possible that 2D creatures may have experiences which would be marked down as ESP etc, so there's no reason to think that this can't also apply to OP's.

The key may be in understanding that none of these experiences are in any way related to gaining knowledge, and that the soul is not a prerequisite for having them.
 
electrosonic said:
riclapaz said:
Q: (S) I just learn from them and grow from them... (L) And don't we just answer our own questions? (P) I have a question... the lady who took the aura pictures the other night told me that I can astrally project. Is this true?

A: Everyone can.

So its quite possible that Organic Portals, who don't have developed higher centers, may be able to have the OBE experience.

Which would logically indicate that the essence 'projecting' in that experience, is not the soul. Or, at least, not in the 'run of the mill' type of OBE.

A separation of the soul seems to be something different to a standard OBE, as in Laura's experience highlighted above.

Thank you riclapaz.

I think this is close. OPs do have souls-- it's just that that soul is not individuated, meaning it merges with the collective soul once it returns to 5D. They can accomplish all the same paranormal phenomena superficially because of this.
 
Laura said:
Probably not. Though certainly the organic brain does a lot of weird things that may be perceived that way.
What about what Gurdjieff refers to as the first or second soul death?
 

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