Can Service to Self and Service to Others Be the Same Thing?

[Amaterasu Solar]

Can STS and STO be had in the very same thing? I will say yes. Not often, but there are some things...

I have proposed a solution in My previous post that would end poverty, oppression, wage/debt slavery, intrusion, and profiteering (war profiteering, prison profiteering, pharma profiteering, medical profiteering, chemical profiteering, food, water, air profiteering) on this planet. Working towards that goal not only serves Self (for example, One's personal poverty and struggle would be abated) but also all Others would benefit, being relieved of Their poverty and struggle. It would remove the material from its present focus, allowing All to have the freedom to create as is Their bliss, Their love, rather than trying to find ways to plug Their energy into the system (matrix).

What are Your thoughts on this question?

 

[axj]

I think that you always need to take proper care of yourself. As long as this doesn't turn into self-aggrandizing or self-importance, taking care of yourself would not be STS.

There is also the question: Can you help others more by being broke or by having enough money? Again, if the money earning does not turn into some pursuit of self-importance, then it would not be STS.

At least, that's how I see it...

 

[seek10]

Can STS and STO be had in the very same thing? I will say yes. Not often, but there are some things...

I have proposed a solution in My previous post that would end poverty, oppression, wage/debt slavery, intrusion, and profiteering (war profiteering, prison profiteering, pharma profiteering, medical profiteering, chemical profiteering, food, water, air profiteering) on this planet. Working towards that goal not only serves Self (for example, One's personal poverty and struggle would be abated) but also all Others would benefit, being relieved of Their poverty and struggle. It would remove the material from its present focus, allowing All to have the freedom to create as is Their bliss, Their love, rather than trying to find ways to plug Their energy into the system (matrix).

What are Your thoughts on this question?

There are some clearly STO and some STS. Time, Intent, circumstances, level of influence of the act, individual knowledge adds all types of shades to it. I am not sure whether you read 'Wave' series. If not, you may want to read it.

 

[theos]

There is the concept of serving the self through serving others. Helping and sharing with others provides learning opportunities for the other person as well as for yourself. The fine line comes with helping and sharing with those who ask and not doing so just because it makes you feel good/special or because you hope for a certain outcome.

 

[3DStudent]

There is the concept of serving the self through serving others.

Yeah, the C's said that STO could be defined as Service-To-All. STO beings serve themselves through serving others. The energy of STO reaches out and touches all parts of creation and returns to the source. STS energy gets "siphoned" towards one direction, and is contractile.

 

[whitecoast]

Can STS and STO be had in the very same thing? I will say yes. Not often, but there are some things... I have proposed a solution in My previous post that would end poverty, oppression, wage/debt slavery, intrusion, and profiteering (war profiteering, prison profiteering, pharma profiteering, medical profiteering, chemical profiteering, food, water, air profiteering) on this planet. Working towards that goal not only serves Self (for example, One's personal poverty and struggle would be abated) but also all Others would benefit, being relieved of Their poverty and struggle. It would remove the material from its present focus, allowing All to have the freedom to create as is Their bliss, Their love, rather than trying to find ways to plug Their energy into the system (matrix).What are Your thoughts on this question?

I think actions can be both STS and STO, while the motivations for this cannot be both. You can be an impeccable host for a family's Christmas dinner, but one person may do it because they genuinely want others to have a good experience and another may do it to bolster their self-image as being deserving and good people. The former is externally considerate and therefore more STO, while the latter is internally considerate and therefore STS.


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[Amaterasu Solar]

There is the concept of serving the self through serving others. Helping and sharing with others provides learning opportunities for the other person as well as for yourself. The fine line comes with helping and sharing with those who ask and not doing so just because it makes you feel good/special or because you hope for a certain outcome.

Hmmmm. Well, I do not share My work because it "makes [Me] feel good/special." I humbly submit it to Others for consideration. I do, however have a hope for an outcome, which is freeing Humans from the life and death control money supplies to Those who are psychopathic, who WANT to control Others over wanting to create towards the betterment. I would not change anything for Those just living Their lives if They do not want to change, but would give the CHOICE to do so to All who might want better or different than what They have now.

So... What does that make My work? STO or STS? Or is it both?

Thank You all who have replied. I appreciate it and will check out the link provided.

 

[Richs]

There is the concept of serving the self through serving others. Helping and sharing with others provides learning opportunities for the other person as well as for yourself. The fine line comes with helping and sharing with those who ask and not doing so just because it makes you feel good/special or because you hope for a certain outcome.

Hmmmm. Well, I do not share My work because it "makes [Me] feel good/special." I humbly submit it to Others for consideration. I do, however have a hope for an outcome, which is freeing Humans from the life and death control money supplies to Those who are psychopathic, who WANT to control Others over wanting to create towards the betterment. I would not change anything for Those just living Their lives if They do not want to change, but would give the CHOICE to do so to All who might want better or different than what They have now.

So... What does that make My work? STO or STS? Or is it both?

Thank You all who have replied. I appreciate it and will check out the link provided.

You seem to be using 'black and white' thinking here, when as with most things in our reality, there are mostly shades of grey. Most of us here are doing our best to emulate STO thinking and action, even though we are aware that we can not be STO beings because we are a part of and participants in an STS enviroment. If we really were STO beings we would certainly not be 'here'.

You have admitted that there would be personal gain of some sort if your goals should be accomplished, which is STS oriented thinking. You seem also to be committed to aiding all of humanity, which is STO oriented thinking. This means it is probable that there is a mixture of STS and STO in what you are wanting here, and how much of either is not something which anyone else can determine.

 

[mkrnhr]

I think it's appropriate at this point to have a little reminder of the concept of STO/STS as discussed and understood in this forum: http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=883&lsel=S
What happens is that sometimes, we use the same words to describe different understandings of a concept, at that usually leads to nothing.

 

[Amaterasu Solar]

There is the concept of serving the self through serving others. Helping and sharing with others provides learning opportunities for the other person as well as for yourself. The fine line comes with helping and sharing with those who ask and not doing so just because it makes you feel good/special or because you hope for a certain outcome.

Hmmmm. Well, I do not share My work because it "makes [Me] feel good/special." I humbly submit it to Others for consideration. I do, however have a hope for an outcome, which is freeing Humans from the life and death control money supplies to Those who are psychopathic, who WANT to control Others over wanting to create towards the betterment. I would not change anything for Those just living Their lives if They do not want to change, but would give the CHOICE to do so to All who might want better or different than what They have now.

So... What does that make My work? STO or STS? Or is it both?

Thank You all who have replied. I appreciate it and will check out the link provided.

You seem to be using 'black and white' thinking here, when as with most things in our reality, there are mostly shades of grey. Most of us here are doing our best to emulate STO thinking and action, even though we are aware that we can not be STO beings because we are a part of and participants in an STS enviroment. If we really were STO beings we would certainly not be 'here'.

You have admitted that there would be personal gain of some sort if your goals should be accomplished, which is STS oriented thinking. You seem also to be committed to aiding all of humanity, which is STO oriented thinking. This means it is probable that there is a mixture of STS and STO in what you are wanting here, and how much of either is not something which anyone else can determine.

Not sure how You got "black & white" out of a question about the possibility of an action/undertaking being both STO AND STS... I was not asking how much of each but whether the action/undertaking could be both simultaneously.

No need to respond. It has been made clear that My efforts to pull Humanity out of the clutches of the psychopaths is of no interest to many here. It's been a pleasure, but I will not be returning (You can breathe a sigh of relief, I guess. [smile])

Thanks for the good times.

 

[aragorn]

I find it curious, that for someone who says they are trying to "save humanity" there's no tolerance for criticism or opposing views. Internal consideration, STS, Q.E.D.

 

[Richs]

I find it curious, that for someone who says they are trying to "save humanity" there's no tolerance for criticism or opposing views. Internal consideration, STS, Q.E.D.

Well, he did ask what we thought, and when we gave him our thoughts in responses which he did not really like because we actually did say what we think, he now says he is leaving. I guess he just doesn't like what we think.

 

[Pearce]

Well that ended quicker than I expected. It amazes me though the pattern of defense that people take in these situations. It's always the same once they start shutdown mode. In a comical sort of way, it makes me think the program writers got lazy up there in STS land, but rather I suppose there really is no creative potential, just robotic 'expressions' to be enacted.

 

[Denis]

I'm a bit confused here. Isn't serving self through others the path to becoming pure STS being (now, at this point in space and time, we are on the mixed level of being, according to my limited understanding of these metaphysical realities)? Serving self through others sounds to me like manipulating others to accomplish our goals, and i mean selfish goals, since self is put before others. As an STO candidate, shouldn't we strive to serve others through self? Can someone please explain this to me?

 

[mkrnhr]

Hi Denis,
It's easy to go through that semantic confusion. The context of an STS world is that you serve others in order to have something in return. In that case you (not you Denis, it's just a figure of speech) serve others in order to serve the self. In a STO context however, you serve primarily others with no expectation/anticipation of return, it's only because these others are in the STO "mode" as well, they will serve others, including you. The subtlety is in the whom you "serve" and in which context. If you STO in a STS world, you'll be immediately depleted of energy. If you STO in an STO world, there is balance between giving and receiving (which is different from taking).
I hope this image helps a little.