Can Service to Self and Service to Others Be the Same Thing?

[Denis]

Hi Denis,
It's easy to go through that semantic confusion. The context of an STS world is that you serve others in order to have something in return. In that case you (not you Denis, it's just a figure of speech) serve others in order to serve the self. In a STO context however, you serve primarily others with no expectation/anticipation of return, it's only because these others are in the STO "mode" as well, they will serve others, including you. The subtlety is in the whom you "serve" and in which context. If you STO in a STS world, you'll be immediately depleted of energy. If you STO in an STO world, there is balance between giving and receiving (which is different from taking).
I hope this image helps a little.

But we are now in a STS world, aren't we? We consume other living beings (plants and animals) in order to sustain our own existence here, which means we can only be candidates for STO while we are here. How can a STO being dwell here if those frequencies don't match up (STO vs. STS)?
I think pure STO beings can only provide us guidance, support and assistance from higher densities (and by working through us, i suppose - not in the form of demon possession of course, but through moments of inspiration, synchronistic events, intuition and so on), but they cannot directly interfere here, cuz that would be violation of our free will and we would learn very little if they did.

I'm sorry, but i cannot see any image here at the moment.

 

[mkrnhr]

But we are now in a STS world, aren't we? We consume other living beings (plants and animals) in order to sustain our own existence here, which means we can only be candidates for STO while we are here. How can a STO being dwell here if those frequencies don't match up (STO vs. STS)?
I think pure STO beings can only provide us guidance, support and assistance from higher densities (and by working through us, i suppose - not in the form of demon possession of course, but through moments of inspiration, synchronistic events, intuition and so on), but they cannot directly interfere here, cuz that would be violation of our free will and we would learn very little if they did.

I'm sorry, but i cannot see any image here at the moment.

Indeed, and I definitively agree. I'm sorry for using the word "image", I was referring to the text as a mental image/diagram.

Added: Here is a small diagram which can (maybe) serve as a first-approximation illustration to the concept of balance in STO and STS worlds.

 

[Denis]

Aha! And i thought i was missing a plug on my browser or something, so that is why i can't see the image. Silly me!

Thank you for your reply, mkrnhr. I wish you and all the crew here a Happy and a Prosperous New Year! :)

 

[mkrnhr]

See the little diagram in the previous post :)

 

[Denis]

See the little diagram in the previous post :)

I did. Thanks! ;)

 

[Skyalmian]

It's easy to go through that semantic confusion. The context of an unbalanced world is that you serve others in order to have something in return. In that case you (not you Denis, it's just a figure of speech) serve others in order to serve the self. In a balancing context however, you serve primarily others with no expectation/anticipation of return, it's only because these others are in the balancing "mode" as well, they will serve others, including you. The subtlety is in the whom you "serve" and in which context. If you add balance in an unbalanced world, you'll be immediately depleted of energy. If you add more balance in an already balanced world, there is balance between giving and receiving (which is different from taking).
I hope this image helps a little.

But we are now in an unbalanced world, aren't we? We consume other living beings (plants and animals) in order to sustain our own existence here, which means we can only be candidates for balance while we are here. How can a balanced being dwell here if those frequencies don't match up (balance vs. imbalance)?
I think purely balanced beings can only provide us guidance, support and assistance from higher densities (and by working through us, i suppose - not in the form of demon possession of course, but through moments of inspiration, synchronistic events, intuition and so on), but they cannot directly interfere here, cuz that would be violation of our free will and we would learn very little if they did.

 

[Sol Logos]

There's an interesting book by a guy called Adam Grant, Givers matchers and takers. It plots where these types of motivations lie on a spectrum of financial success based on a study for the book. Givers are those motivated by serving others, takers by serving themselves, matchers by serving others only when they'll get back something of equal or greater value in return.

Givers sit on the bottom, takers and matchers in the middle and givers again at the top of financial success. It seems the givers on the bottom are those that don't really value themselves, self saceifice and tend to give indiscriminately to others. Givers at the top give it seems discriminatory when those they give to will lead more likely to a benefit to all. I feel that can tell us a fair bit on what STO might look like and how it actually can lead to attracting success (not only financial) in an STS world.

 

[whitecoast]

There's an interesting book by a guy called Adam Grant, Givers matchers and takers. It plots where these types of motivations lie on a spectrum of financial success based on a study for the book. Givers are those motivated by serving others, takers by serving themselves, matchers by serving others only when they'll get back something of equal or greater value in return.

Givers sit on the bottom, takers and matchers in the middle and givers again at the top of financial success. It seems the givers on the bottom are those that don't really value themselves, self saceifice and tend to give indiscriminately to others. Givers at the top give it seems discriminatory when those they give to will lead more likely to a benefit to all. I feel that can tell us a fair bit on what STO might look like and how it actually can lead to attracting success (not only financial) in an STS world.

It's a very sobering observation about what energetic strategies work ultimately, isn't it? The givers at the bottom, for reasons mentioned, are doing it for internally considerate reasons; i.e. they were raised to be prey. The givers at the top are the more objective and externally considerate. Thanks for sharing it.