Capturing the Friedmans (2003) Documentary

Mrs.Tigersoap

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We recently saw this documentary and found it extremely interesting on several levels.

Capturing the Friedmans

SPOILER ALERT

It is a documentary about Arnold Friedman's conviction for child molestation. In 1987, U.S. postal services intercepted child pornography that Friedman had ordered from the Netherlands. Investigators searched his home in Great Neck, New York and found quite a collection of same. Since Friedman was teaching ICT to children, so the police began interviewing his students.

That's where the story begins to be blurry. Some of the children began reporting abuse, playing bizarre and creepy games (naked leapfrog, computer games with graphic sexual content, etc.). They were alleging that Jesse, Friedman's son, then around 18, was abusing them as well. However, other children had a hard time believing the accusations, having had a perfectly normal experience during their ICT lessons. What was also bizarre is that the children who had been allegedly abused actually finished their classes with Friedman and even signed up for other classes, apparently. At no point were the children in any way distressed when parents picked them up, either. Friedman, in a supposed attempt to help his son Jesse, pleaded guilty and went to prison. Jesse was sent to prison as well after pleading guilty (while claiming his innocence). Friedman committed suicide in prison, supposedly to leave Jesse a 250,000 $ insurance as a 'compensation' for having dragged him in this whole thing.

The documentary's title asks "Who do you believe?". Indeed, it is at first tricky, because on the one hand, the magazines have well and truly been found. Friedman admits to being a pedophile. But then Jesse claims to be innocent. Then the accusations seem outrageous and sometimes contradictory. One of the female police officer is filmed saying "There were kiddie porn magazines everywhere in the living room, in plain view" and you see snapshots taken by the police where it's obvious that it is not the case. The police's declaration states that the kiddie porn was hidden in his basement office where no one had access. If children were indeed abused during his classes, why did they all signed up for more afterward? Were all parents totally so clueless and all children so good at hiding their distress not to mention their wounds?. So, where is the truth?

An investigative journalist tries to shed some light to the whole thing and points to a few flaws in the accusations. But then, she shares elements about Friedman which are pretty disturbing: Friedman admitted to have had sex at 15 with his own brother who was then 8. Later on, he also molested the children of several friends. These are not accusations, but Friedman's own words.

It then begins to be difficult not to believe that Friedman has, indeed, done more than what he lets on. One look at his sons and one can see that none of them seems balanced, either. Living close to a pathological predator will that to you, I guess. Apparently, the family loved filming any and every event at home, so a lot of this period is actually on film, with reactions from family members, etc. And that's part of why this documentary is so interesting (although it is highly flawed, as I will explain below): you get to have an insider's view of what this family is really about. And that ain't a pretty picture. The kiddie porn magazines found are a fact, nothing alleged there. And still, apart from the mother, the three sons are convinced that their father is unjustly accused. During the whole thing (pre-trial, trial period, etc.), their reactions are just so bizarre. From the eldest son David wearing underwear on his head to show that the police have no business searching their house, to Jesse's goofing around in front of the courthouse where he knows he will be sent to jail and his whole teary tirade 20 minutes later about how his father "made him do it", the whole thing is just surreal.

But then again, I guess it's always surreal when you glimpse inside a pathological's head.

It's also interesting to see how the 3 sons gang up with the pathological father against the mother. She is viewed as the Devil himself! Talk about projection! This woman certainly does not stand by her husband - by now, she's put two and two together! - and so is seen as a threat to their bonkers view of reality. Lobaczewski's depiction of the family defending the pathological sister comes to mind. The mother very interestingly talks of children victims of abuse defending their abuser and identifying with them. She's spot on, I think.

Andrew Jarecki, who filmed this documentary, is obviously attracted by this kind of subject. He recently filmed The Jinx, a documentary about Robert Durst well worth seeing. The problem with Jarecki is that his knowledge of psychopaths is (or was) pretty much next to none, apparently. And that's the big flaw of the documentary: Jarecki clearly believes their story and takes a stand. He clearly takes a stand for this family, or at least for Jesse. So much so that years later, he will actually fund Jesse's appeal.

According to Wikipedia, Jesse was actually diagnosed as a psychopath. Some of his supporters say this is pure fabrication. But think about it: the manipulations, the lies, the tears at the drop of a hat, the need to be the centre of attention, the total lack of concern for the magazines found which belonged to his father, the total lack of concern for his father's victims not to mention the total disregard for his own situation: at no point does Jesse seem troubled that he is going to go to trial, and probably to jail. In the words of his brother David "Jesse seems the least concerned of all of us, for some reason". And we know that some people will fight tooth and nail to clear the name of a psychopath, so that's not exactly unheard of, either.

From the documentary, you infer that Jesse was sexually abused by his father. He was his "favourite" son, which puts another spin on the 250,000 $ left to Jesse through the insurance by his father. After all, Friedman had 3 sons, why leave the money to Jesse only?

District Attorney Rice claims that kiddie porn and disturbing rape stories written by Jesse were found in his cell. Jesse sued Rice for this, claiming this is pure fabrication. Jesse also went to Geraldo where he gave details about his part in the abuse of the kids. Still, he claims to be totally innocent. :huh:
If you are absolutely 100% innocent, why go on Geraldo and claim these things? If this is a witch hunt, as Jesse says, why a witch hunt against the Friedmans? What have they done, who have they upset? And anyway, is it really a witch hunt when the accused is a pedophile with kiddie porn at home and several cases of molestation under his belt (pun not intended)?
 
Just watched some of this and, yeah, very interesting and very disturbing. A very appropriate word, I think, to describe that family dynamic is "incestuous". The father and the two sons are interesting studies in narcissism/psychopathy, the 'banality of evil' comes to mind for the father in particular. He had no problem claiming he is innocent because, to him, he did nothing wrong since what can be wrong to a psychopath in doing what he wants to do. The horrible thing about it is that their personalities and family dynamic is so 'familiar' in that it almost seems like the 'average' family these days. Maybe that's evidence of the extent of the ponerization process. The whole situation is just :barf:
 
Given the subject matter, I stumbled on the story of and an interview with Richard "The Iceman" Kuklinski.

_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXgi72W2H7U

Horrible and shocking as the details of what he did are, the interview with him is equally disturbing in a different way.
 
Perceval said:
He had no problem claiming he is innocent because, to him, he did nothing wrong since what can be wrong to a psychopath in doing what he wants to do.

True, that.
You know, I was totally flabbergasted to see the number of articles and comments online in favor of Jesse Friedman. I had read about that phenomenon (people defending psychos tooth and nail even in the light of damning evidence) but it's still shocking to see. They're all convinced he is innocent and they all ramble about how flawed the investigation was.

Perceval said:
Given the subject matter, I stumbled on the story of and an interview with Richard "The Iceman" Kuklinski.

_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXgi72W2H7U

I'll check it out, thanks for the link, Perceval!
 
Perceval said:
Horrible and shocking as the details of what he did are, the interview with him is equally disturbing in a different way.

SPOILER ALERT

Indeed! I thought it was fascinating to see the three interviews back to back: as the interviews progress, the image gets clearer and clearer : no, he is not a loving father and husband who just happened to have a weird job of killing people for the mafia. Little by little, you learn that his brother is psychopathic as well and that Kuklinski, was an experienced killer way before he worked for the mob. From animals to people who look at him the wrong way, everything and everyone could be a target!

Equally disturbing was Dietz, the psychiatrist, I think. His whole explanation of how a loving environment would have probably changed Kuklinski for the better (all the while acknowledging the fact that Kuklinski is a born psychopath) is just scary. Supposedly, the 'fearlessness' of anti-social individuals could benefit society when nurtured and they would go on to become fire fighters or cops instead of killers. Riiiiight.
 
Mrs. Tigersoap said:
Perceval said:
Horrible and shocking as the details of what he did are, the interview with him is equally disturbing in a different way.

SPOILER ALERT

Indeed! I thought it was fascinating to see the three interviews back to back: as the interviews progress, the image gets clearer and clearer : no, he is not a loving father and husband who just happened to have a weird job of killing people for the mafia. Little by little, you learn that his brother is psychopathic as well and that Kuklinski, was an experienced killer way before he worked for the mob. From animals to people who look at him the wrong way, everything and everyone could be a target!

Equally disturbing was Dietz, the psychiatrist, I think. His whole explanation of how a loving environment would have probably changed Kuklinski for the better (all the while acknowledging the fact that Kuklinski is a born psychopath) is just scary. Supposedly, the 'fearlessness' of anti-social individuals could benefit society when nurtured and they would go on to become fire fighters or cops instead of killers. Riiiiight.

Yeah, it's pretty sad that even researchers like Dietz are unwilling to face the obvious fact that these people are born, not made. I suppose he wants to be able to give the "patient" and society in general some (false) hope that they can, or could, change. Regardless of the topic, the vast majority of people in this world are extremely invested in the world being more or less "ok" and that things will never get so bad. :rolleyes:
 
The problem with claiming that psychopaths' fearlessness can be nurtured to benefit society as firefighter or cops is that they'd be setting the fires and committing crimes/killing people for the "thrill" of it. Rather poor understanding of the lack of fear being a larger part of their nature, i.e. lack of a full spectrum of emotions, being able to conceive of the future and consequences, etc., as normal people do.
 
SeekinTruth said:
The problem with claiming that psychopaths' fearlessness can be nurtured to benefit society as firefighter or cops is that they'd be setting the fires and committing crimes/killing people for the "thrill" of it. Rather poor understanding of the lack of fear being a larger part of their nature, i.e. lack of a full spectrum of emotions, being able to conceive of the future and consequences, etc., as normal people do.

This is fairly obvious when you look at the police brutality going on in the US today. I think that many psychopaths have found their way into law enforcement in the US.
 
Nienna said:
SeekinTruth said:
The problem with claiming that psychopaths' fearlessness can be nurtured to benefit society as firefighter or cops is that they'd be setting the fires and committing crimes/killing people for the "thrill" of it. Rather poor understanding of the lack of fear being a larger part of their nature, i.e. lack of a full spectrum of emotions, being able to conceive of the future and consequences, etc., as normal people do.

This is fairly obvious when you look at the police brutality going on in the US today. I think that many psychopaths have found their way into law enforcement in the US.

Yup. And it's been a long time coming, having a system protecting each other from being held to account. Now, in more recent years, the cops in the US just don't really give a damn to even try keeping their mask on - they've just been going on rampages show the psychopathy starkly.
 
I just watched this documentary. I came to same conclusion as others here about the nature of the family. The mother seemed to be the only normal person there, seeing the truth behind her husband (but maybe not about Jesse), which caused the kids to turn against her. The contradictory statements throughout the document made by both Arnold and Jesse are quite telling and also their manipulations. Few years ago there was a reinvestigation of the case, which concluded Jesse Friedman absolutely guilty:

A shrink who was hired by Jesse's lawyer to help with the original criminal case, Dr. David Pogge, found he was "a psychopathic deviant" who was "self-centered, manipulative, egocentric and capable of breaking the law."

"Jesse lies all the time and derives gratification from fooling others," the doctor was quoted as saying.

After his guilty plea, he wrote a letter to one of his two brothers calling the experience "exhilarating." "I want a big article tomorrow!" he wrote, adding that he dreamed of being a "star."

Friedman also went on Geraldo, against his lawyer's advice, and said then that he'd been sexually abused by his father, and forced "to pose in hundreds of photos for my father in all sorts of sexual positions (with) the kids."

He "reveled in public discussions of his guilt," the report says.

He's since denied he was ever abused by his father, or that his father abused any of his students, but the panel found those claims "not credible."

In prison, the report said, Friedman was disciplined twice - once for possessing a torn photograph of two prepubescent girls, one of whom was naked, that he'd ripped out of a magazine, and the second time for "writing and distributing 'fictional' stories that described violent and disturbing sexual acts, including incest, bestiality and child rape."

The panel said it interviewed Jesse's uncle, Howard Friedman, who told them, "Jesse is guilty, and you're going to ask me how I know. Because Arnold told me."
 
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