Caroline Myss

[Masamune]

What does everyone think of Caroline Myss? She usually is associated with the new age crowd. Out of all the new agers she has been the one I have paid most attention to. It seems like she has some genuine psychic ability and has been a medical intuitive for many years. She is completely against YCYOR and many other new age beliefs. I have found some of her ideas interesting such as her work with archetypes and explaining the chakras. I remember her name being mentioned in the Cassiopaean glossary and wondered what was thought of her.

 

[Lauranimal]

Her book, "Anatomy of the Spirit" changed my life. I had an opportunity to attend a lecture by her about 10 years ago, and it was brilliant.

I find it hard to believe she could be CoIntelPro. I've not seen or heard one word of hers that would indicate anything other than absolute integrity.

My strong opinion, for what it is worth.

 

[Vulcan59]

Caroline Myss appears under Chakra in Cassiopedia.

Many sources associate chakras and the corresponding areas of the body to different areas of human functioning. Problems in these areas of functioning can manifest as medical issues in the general area of the corresponding chakra. Descriptions vary in specifics. For example, Caroline Myss' book Anatomy of the Spirit contains more material on this aspect of chakras.

She has her own website where she sells all sorts of products and conducts workshops. The website is hosted on an independent server meaning not a shared server like most of the other New Age sites. She has appeared on Oprah show. After browsing around the website, which also has a forum, it does seem to be your typical New Age website and seem to be based on YCYOR and although I could be wrong, that's my take on it for the time being.
Does anyone have ideas how to get Laura on the Oprah show? ;) (although I am not sure Laura will accept it though!)

 

[Hildegarda]

I only know her by the many references to her ideas in the book "Women's bodies, women's wisdom" by Christiane Northrup. Northrup is an ob-gyn who uses a lot of natural approach in her, by other standards, mainstream practice. Kind of like Dr. Mercola. Her book has helped me very much to take care of my own health. What was quoted there from Caroline Myss seemed very perceptive and spot on.

I have been thinking about YCYOR and was wondering whether this idea has a genuine root in what happens b\w out own souls\mind and our bodies. What we think and feel, does influence how our body feels and functions. There are think are already some studies that support it, some SOTT articles even, about how certain personality types tend to develop degenerative diseases specific to each type, etc. The physical choices we make in diet, lifestyle, associations etc, are even more powerful in most situations. But there are always these incidents when it's hard to pin down the physical cause, and plenty of anecdotal evidence that suggests it helps to think what mental state had contributed to the condition. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't necessarily work, but it's a factor.

Yet, if this idea is a slightly twisted, inappropriately expanded and applied in a blanket-fashion to world around us, it become a full-blown YCYOR and then it not only just doesn't work, but also sucks one into a subjective worldview that's harming on many levels.

With that in mind, I don't know about the fine aspects of chakra descriptions, Oprah's association, or the kind of people that frequent her forums, but some of the basic ideas -- the ones I am familiar with, again, -- there doesn't appear to be anything obviously wrong with them. OSIT.

 

[Masamune]

Here are a couple of videos:

On Soul Service: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwmgRie3BKo

Being Fearless lecture: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlnSHNyn7qQ
In this lecture she does a healing at the end which she says has healed many conditions. It is a sort of guided meditation/visualization. It starts here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7pr7aiYRkA&feature=related

Old video of her explaining the chakras, Energetics of Healing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KckwhZE1NdY&feature=related

 

[daco]

Caroline Myss has some good books,is she a cointelpro I dont now,but I didnt find some truly good information in her research,soo I dont read it anymore.

 

[Kel]

IMO she is is smack right on here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFmclQJ_lBA&NR=1

 

[Lauranimal]

IMO she is is smack right on here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFmclQJ_lBA&NR=1

Yupp! She nailed it! As usual.

 

[Lakewolf]

FWIW, my mom started listening to many, many of her tapes 4 years before she died.

One tape she found very disturbing. Caroline Myss was using vulgarities, which were no stranger to my mother, believe me.

But halfway through the tape, my mother became so disturbed that she turned off the phone and called me. She said that she couldn't put her finger on it, but this particular tape seemed to go against everything Carolyn Myss stood for.

I asked her for the name of the tape (my mom had to "read" books on tape; she was blind) & she wouldn't give it to me.

Anyone know what this tape might have been?

BTW, I also listened to a talk on You Tube given by Pema Chodron, a Buddhist nun. I found it interesting that she told a story abt Gurdjieff to illustrate her point. I think the title was "Aggression". I will access it again & post the link if anyone is interested.

 

[Lizziespreparetogovegan]

I can't profess to know anything about this person and hadn't heard of her before reading this thread. However, a brief web search brought up the following article http://sathyasaibaba.wordpress.com/2008/05/02/caroline-myss-crosses-paths-with-sathya-sai-baba/ written by the lady herself in which she professes the benefits of praying to Sai Baba.

For those unfamiliar with Sai Baba, he is an Indian 'guru' who claims to be the re-incarnation of the Saint Sai Baba of Shirdi and is renowned for supposedly materialising gold and other valuable objects from thin air. He has been exposed many times over the years as a charlatan and quite probably a paedophile.

You can read about Sai Baba here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sathya_Sai_Baba and a brief search on youtube will provide evidence of his conjuring fakery.

As I say, I haven't read any of Caroline Myss' work but she is clearly very misguided in considering this shameless confidence trickster worthy of praying to.

 

[PopHistorian]

I read a book about Sai Baba about 20 years ago. I seem to remember that all he produced in his hands (at the time of the book, anyway) was some kind of ash substance or something. As described, it sounded like it could have been a sleight-of-hand trick that reminded me of Filipino "psychic surgeons."

 

[Masamune]

This is interesting Pai,

For those unfamiliar with Sai Baba, he is an Indian 'guru' who claims to be the re-incarnation of the Saint Sai Baba of Shirdi and is renowned for supposedly materialising gold and other valuable objects from thin air. He has been exposed many times over the years as a charlatan and quite probably a paedophile.

Is there any proof of these claims that he is a charlatan and pedophile?

On the Caroline Myss forum there is a discussion about him starting on July 20, 2003: http://www.myss.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=001189

As a student of Carolyn Myss' various teachings and tape lectures, I took note of someone Carolyn mentioned in one of her tape discourses by the name of Sai Baba. Having never heard of this individual before, I did a search about his various teachings and practices. Carolyn had originally spoke of him in one of her tapes with great respect as a spiritual leader and healer.

Recently, I came across a few articles on Sai Baba that reveals he is a fraud, using sleight of hand techniques to manifest something Carolyn called "vabuti" (not sure of the spelling), which is supposedly some kind of "holy ash" he purportedly drums up out of nothingness.

In addition, these articles also mention Sai Baba indulged in pedophilia against boys as young as 8 years old.

My question to anyone in this forum is as follows:
Is Carolyn and/or her students aware of this?

These articles can be found at a website that included an article by a Conny Larson, a former follower of Sai Baba, who reported he was also a victim of Sai Babas sexual harrassment and abuse.

I believe the website is:
http://www.sokaren.se/INDEX135.HTML

I do not wish to impune Carolyns teachings, but at the same time, when hypocrisy and lies are presented as spiritual truth, is it not spiritually appropriate to use our power of discrimination to determine potentially damaging or toxic people who claim to be spiritually motivated?

Also, if it is true about Sai Baba, there would almost certainly be an archetype involved here would there not?

Robert,

Thank you for bringing this to our attention. At this time there is no formal concensus about the subject that you bring to Caroline's site. We do however seriously doubt that any Caroline's personal and/or public associations would consciously behold any relationship with someone who has been proven to be a fraud and /or pedophile, etc.. At this time there is no comment about Sai Baba, simply because this is news to us.

It is the intention of Dr. Caroline Myss (and it moderators and administrators) to promote health and wellbeing through energetic self-awareness and to be congruent with one's own sense of self-esteem and committment to Divine truth as relevant to the God of your heart.

Please feel free to e-mail any of the moderators and/ or the administrator if you have any further inqury.

Respectfully,

Rev. Jackie Major
Myss.com Moderator

The article you quoted above Pai is from May 2007 so I am assuming that she must have known of these allegations against Sai Baba.

 

[Lizziespreparetogovegan]

This is interesting Pai,

For those unfamiliar with Sai Baba, he is an Indian 'guru' who claims to be the re-incarnation of the Saint Sai Baba of Shirdi and is renowned for supposedly materialising gold and other valuable objects from thin air. He has been exposed many times over the years as a charlatan and quite probably a paedophile.

Is there any proof of these claims that he is a charlatan and pedophile?

Hi Masamume

In terms of being a Charlatan, Sai Baba claims to be able to materialise golden eggs from inside his body as well as gold necklaces and watches from thin air. Whilst I acknowledge that our current understandings of the laws of physics are limited, this individual is really just using very basic sleight-of-hand techniques. He is exposed here for the conman that he is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOhxftt5Hn4

I really should have stated in my initial post that Sai Baba is 'possibly' a peadophile and not 'probably' as of course I cannot prove this. All I can say is that there have been numerous allegations made against him for sexual abuse although I understand that there have never been any charges brought. I am not a fan of the BBC but they produced a decent documentary about him years ago called 'The Secret Swami' which outlines the nature of both his fraudulent 'miracles' and as I remember, interviews first hand some of the victims who claim to have been abused by him. You can watch it here in six parts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBpoPDVDT10

The claims and counter claims of Sai Baba's exposers/followers are probably enough to fill an entire forum. He is revered all over India and the rest of the world as a living 'Avatar' by millions who refuse to hear a bad word about him or look at the simple trickery of his 'miracles'. The 'Guru' industry is big business in India and Sai Baba is clearly a very wealthy man, deriving his wealth from donations from his followers in exchange for blessings, miracles etc. I suspect that he has been vehemently defended by connections in high places for this very reason. Whether or not he is guilty of sexual abuse I'm not not sure but he is clearly not who he says he is. Personally I put him in the category of 'Grade A dangerous cult leader and criminal' at the very least although others may disagree.

 

[seek10]

This is interesting Pai,

For those unfamiliar with Sai Baba, he is an Indian 'guru' who claims to be the re-incarnation of the Saint Sai Baba of Shirdi and is renowned for supposedly materialising gold and other valuable objects from thin air. He has been exposed many times over the years as a charlatan and quite probably a paedophile.

Is there any proof of these claims that he is a charlatan and pedophile?

Hi Masamume

In terms of being a Charlatan, Sai Baba claims to be able to materialise golden eggs from inside his body as well as gold necklaces and watches from thin air. Whilst I acknowledge that our current understandings of the laws of physics are limited, this individual is really just using very basic sleight-of-hand techniques. He is exposed here for the conman that he is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOhxftt5Hn4

I really should have stated in my initial post that Sai Baba is 'possibly' a peadophile and not 'probably' as of course I cannot prove this. All I can say is that there have been numerous allegations made against him for sexual abuse although I understand that there have never been any charges brought. I am not a fan of the BBC but they produced a decent documentary about him years ago called 'The Secret Swami' which outlines the nature of both his fraudulent 'miracles' and as I remember, interviews first hand some of the victims who claim to have been abused by him. You can watch it here in six parts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBpoPDVDT10

The claims and counter claims of Sai Baba's exposers/followers are probably enough to fill an entire forum. He is revered all over India and the rest of the world as a living 'Avatar' by millions who refuse to hear a bad word about him or look at the simple trickery of his 'miracles'. The 'Guru' industry is big business in India and Sai Baba is clearly a very wealthy man, deriving his wealth from donations from his followers in exchange for blessings, miracles etc. I suspect that he has been vehemently defended by connections in high places for this very reason. Whether or not he is guilty of sexual abuse I'm not not sure but he is clearly not who he says he is. Personally I put him in the category of 'Grade A dangerous cult leader and criminal' at the very least although others may disagree.

I happen to see him, when he came to my town in india. the controversy about sai baba is always there. In fact, every miracle guru has followers and general debunkers and India media was very critical of these guru's ( , until western media hijacked the entire india media made it another zionist style right wing unit ).

Based on stories of neighbors, friends, relatives, newspaper articles, the main set of peoples who follow are highly educated, fed up with materialization of the society and dishonesty and the other end are very poor people, who doesn't have any outlets of hope of their day to day sufferings. Later new set of groups followed - aspirant politicians for various reasons, some appealing to the "saibaba follower" voters and other things he can influence. who ever it is they are devout ,( whether they tolerate the criticism or not). PERIOD.

One of the main debunker of saibaba's tricks is one of the India's most popular magician called P.C. Sorcar. This is highly publicised in india. But sai baba seems to had not cared about it or not hid it either. It is well known that there is a inner circle surrounding him. one decade back one story of murder of one of his inner circle man related to money issues. This shook his followers more than any thing. later pedophile stories came, for his followers , all this is just expected noise, as if they found some thing unchangeable.

As usual black & white thinking doesn't work, I believe. After C's comments regarding art of livings sri sri comments , he more seems to be like a 'Diet Coke' than more than that. Indian middle class society ( until recently) very conscious of modern evils like gambling , liquors , spiritual excesses . Spiritual Guru's provided the anesthesia ( which liquor provided for western society ) from the day to day horrors for centuries. Nothing is new.

Many of us didn't come here ( C's) directly. believed in so many half truths , thinking that that is the ultimate truth at that time . so is sai baba is another stepping stone for many others ?. I don't know.

I don't know much about carolyn myss to comment. the short video on narcissism is on the very good and on target.

If our mind contains thousands of I's whose sensors are exposed to million things every second, noise will come inevitably. people like sai baba are trying to address small portion of infinite spectrum with their diet coke ?. Probably. At least he is not like Mother Teresa's 'political deception'.

It is interesting to hear C's opinion. I thought they gave a comment saying 'he may be alright' type of message, but couldn't find it in the sessions.

 

[seek10]

This is interesting Pai,

For those unfamiliar with Sai Baba, he is an Indian 'guru' who claims to be the re-incarnation of the Saint Sai Baba of Shirdi and is renowned for supposedly materialising gold and other valuable objects from thin air. He has been exposed many times over the years as a charlatan and quite probably a paedophile.

Is there any proof of these claims that he is a charlatan and pedophile?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOhxftt5Hn4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBpoPDVDT10

Thanks pai for the video. powerful evidence indeed. basic high school student magician techniques. His teachings in local language doesn't seem powerful nor does it has conversational hypnotism associated like obama.
This leaves what type of hypnotism is it? . No doubt , people go there with some problem or other and atmosphere of devotion is in his town ( like walt disney studies).

His skill seems to be 'dream influence' for many westerners as inevitable proof of his 'Avatar' status. It is interesting to know what is getting done from the other side. looks like father of all Eric Pepin's ?