Circling Understanding

[SoCurious]

I keep thinking I'm on the edge of an "aha!" moment and then I find myself in a holding pattern, going round and round without discovering the illuminating switch.

Here's one example.

(L) Doesn’t come from anywhere. Just thoughts in the mind of God. I mean, what else does God have to do for eternity but dream? We are the dream.

OK, I don't have an issue with that. I can almost grasp it to the point of "knowing" but not quite. So God's thoughts and dreams create us, and matter of all kinds, physical entities, who, get this, have their own thoughts and dreams. Hmmmm...I can go with that...it is God after all and he's like anyone who creates, just that he creates living beings. But we all have lessons to learn. As we're part of God does this mean that God has lessons to learn as well? What would they be? How does omniscience learn anything? And if he has lessons to learn are there higher densities he is unaware of?
Circle time!

 

[bngenoh]

OK, I don't have an issue with that. I can almost grasp it to the point of "knowing" but not quite. So God's thoughts and dreams create us, and matter of all kinds, physical entities, who, get this, have their own thoughts and dreams. Hmmmm...I can go with that...it is God after all and he's like anyone who creates, just that he creates living beings. But we all have lessons to learn. As we're part of God does this mean that God has lessons to learn as well? What would they be? How does omniscience learn anything? And if he has lessons to learn are there higher densities he is unaware of?
Circle time!

Circle time indeed, but only if one is trying to understand existence without incorporating higher densities, and the probable concomitant change of perspective in how a higher density being views and experiences existence. Curiously enough i was following this same mode of thought yesterday night.

Think of humans at the 3D level as a particular cell type in your body. It has the potential to create your entire organism a new, cyclic nature of everything and all that. What awareness does that particular cell have of the fact that it is part of an infinitely vast system with trillions of others, but that they are all part of one system, ie the body. "All models are wrong, but some are useful."

The C's have said that 7th density is union with the one. "How does omniscience learn anything?" In my current understanding it doesn't, because if one is learning, one is not omniscient osit. It merely plays eternally with possibilities, then creates conditions whereby it can experience them, the catch is of course, that it cannot go into the created conditions with the totality of itself, because there would be no point. So it "forgets" and enters into the set of conditions it created for whatever purpose.

The reality of course is much more complex. Again "All models are wrong, but some are useful." Hope my model was even the slightest bit useful.

 

[Buddy]

I keep thinking I'm on the edge of an "aha!" moment and then I find myself in a holding pattern, going round and round without discovering the illuminating switch.

Here's one example.

(L) Doesn’t come from anywhere. Just thoughts in the mind of God. I mean, what else does God have to do for eternity but dream? We are the dream.

OK, I don't have an issue with that. I can almost grasp it to the point of "knowing" but not quite. So God's thoughts and dreams create us, and matter of all kinds, physical entities, who, get this, have their own thoughts and dreams. Hmmmm...I can go with that...it is God after all and he's like anyone who creates, just that he creates living beings. But we all have lessons to learn. As we're part of God does this mean that God has lessons to learn as well? What would they be? How does omniscience learn anything? And if he has lessons to learn are there higher densities he is unaware of?
Circle time!

Have you read any of Don Juan's descriptions of the "bands of awareness"? If so, have you tried to conceptually extrapolate it to the 'one being' (Gurdjieff's 'Sun Absolute at the end of time')? Just curious, as I can barely conceive it myself, let alone understand it, but the exercise may help to break the circle's symmetry and get something going.

Regarding "omniscience", I'd think that word would mean something different to an omniscient being than it does to us. Mainly because we seem to lack the ability to step outside the larger system in order to see that system while using the same sensory apparatus that is thoroughly embedded in the system.

My 2 cents, before taking inflation into account. :)

 

[Gertrudes]

I have often pondered on that very question Richard. My ideas about it have taken many shapes, and will surely keep changing, probably indefinitely. But I'll offer some of my current thoughts.

We are far from being omniscient (which is a bit of an understatement), so we can't conceive how that would be. However, things tend to be manifested in a similar way despite their scale (from microscopical to colossal), and so goes the saying "as above, so below". Now, one can only know oneself by experiencing life, if you would spend your entire day in one room since the day you were born, would you ever get to know yourself, or anything for that matter? I see God similarly. Sure, omniscience is different, but then again, aren't we but a (very far) projection of that omniscience, and in that sense, reproducing omniscience's way of functioning, albeit with many, many filters between us?

So perhaps God does need to experience itself, to know itself, and we are such an example...

The C's have said that 7th density is union with the one. "How does omniscience learn anything?" In my current understanding it doesn't, because if one is learning, one is not omniscient osit. It merely plays eternally with possibilities, then creates conditions whereby it can experience them, the catch is of course, that it cannot go into the created conditions with the totality of itself, because there would be no point. So it "forgets" and enters into the set of conditions it created for whatever purpose.

That's a good point. Although, maybe omniscience is the act of learning? I can't possibly know, but when letting our thoughts depart from the premise that we can't possibly conceive what omniscience is, it opens up for many possibilities :)

These are, of course, just my speculations!

 

[SoCurious]

All the above replies are extremely thoughtful and I thank you for the time and effort :)

I can't possibly know, but when letting our thoughts depart from the premise that we can't possibly conceive what omniscience is, it opens up for many possibilities :)

Indeed. I know intellectually I cannot possibly conceive of everything yet this knowledge sets no limit to my attempts to conceive of all I possibly can. Which leaves me asking questions continually. And as I discover answers or explanations attempting to answer, I find I have more and more questions lining up for eventual discovery. Possibilities expand, the universe gets bigger and I get smaller.

In this particular line of questioning I think it's best to set a limit - 7th density is the final stage. If we go any further we enter what Robert Anton Wilson calls Chapel Perilous and what he eloquently describes as (excuse the language) Mindfuck. My inquiry is a dead end for us sitting at 3rd density.............and yet

I'm not omniscient yet, but watch this space!

In the meantime, I have another issue brewing in the mind. Circling Lucifer. I'm having trouble framing my paradox but will be sure to let you all know precisely how confused I am in good time.

The sun is shining, it's a beautiful morning.....wish I was a kid today.