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[Al Today]

Hey abstract,

I have my buttons pushed and I gotta speak up. My heart bleeds. I do not intend to divert this thread, but only give some background on what I'm about to say.

shellycheval is perfectly correct on this so-called educational system. I went through school here in usa during the 60's & 70's and I feel that the plan to dumb us down was already in place. For christ's sake, I took analytical trigonometry & calculus in high school and flunked... Why? Because "they" didn't tie it with the physics courses I was taking, nor any other sciences. No practical applications of the subjects. "They" pounded pure rote memorization's with no practical applications. I said "F" this, and lost interest...
They, TPTB, specialize in producing a society of consumers, not Thinkers. To be a Thinker, this must be your choice.

I was imprinted that an education can result in a better paycheck. Fast forward a few decades to my three boys. I also burned this into their brains. They all graduated 4 year colleges. All they have now is debt. No dream job. One of my boys for example... made straight A's all through ITT for electronics engineering and industrial robotics. He is unemployed currently. Competing for jobs with laid off individuals with multiple years of industry experience.

Okay, let's now get to you...

but in history I got an F.

History of what? With history as we talk about here on the forum, I would think this would be interesting.

The reading class however, was a joke for me.

Why? Were they talking about Dick and Jane? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_and_Jane) Nope, no class is a joke. Give that teacher whatever they want to "hear".

What goes on in class? I have curiosity here on your external considerations.

It was difficult to go to school early in the morning

Oh? Again, see my prior post/reply... How bad you want that new paycheck?

most of the class was composed of highschoolers

Here's a new one for ya: SFW, so fu&*ing what.?.?.? You gotta do what you gotta do. This garbage will pass into memories.

it's really hard to read and study when the person next to you is watching videos on their smartphone

Tell them to cut the krap out... YOU have a goal. Do not let them stand in your way. They don't have a brain, you do...

the construction industry just doesn't seem like my thing at all.

See prior reply... Expand your horizons dude. Wishful thing is one thing, but some dreams can be realized... With work and knowledge...

 

[Keit]

Second semester was when I didn't really wanna show up. The teacher wasn't even giving us stuff to do, and

most of the class was composed of highschoolers. It's really hard to read and study when the person next

to you is watching videos on their smartphone. I wouldn't have wanted to go back for the second year anyhow,

the construction industry just doesn't seem like my thing at all.

So that is where i'm at right now.

Abstract, you already received an excellent feedback. One point I wanted to reiterate is for you to have some thinking and deciding if you actually want a higher education, and if you do, how much, and what you are willing to do to get it. Because even if the system is broken and there is a sea of petty tyrants, there is always something you can do, somehow to adapt to get yourself through it. One good example is to remind yourself about a drive and motivation you had in the past regarding something you loved doing (martial arts maybe?), and what kind of creative solutions you came up with to make it done. This way you can reach a realization that it's not about a subject per se or the surrounding circumstances, but about your choices. The rest are nothing but excuses.

As for being surrounded by highschoolers. Well, I am 33 years old and are now studying in the group of 17-18 years old who have cellphones as the umbilical extension of themselves. They are loud, noisy, and actually only something like 20% want to be vet doctors, the rest are there because it's partly Russian/Slavic mentality (you are nothing without a degree) and they were forced by their parents, and partly because they weren't able to get into "human" Medical academy, so they do only the minimum required. Therefore, there are many opportunities not only to work on personal discipline but also see how in some cases, especially reactions wise, my inner emotional development is not that far from their age. ;) Basically, in overall, it turns out to be very educational and something "as it should be".

 

[abstract]

Okay well...I only got ten minutes to give a response here but i'll come back later and give more details.

Well what do you want to do?

No idea.

You did say that your dad basically made you go to school. Never said it was your desire for advanced education.

precisely the issue at hand. It's NOT my desire for advanced education, it's his. This rushing

and hurrying to get a degree and be "successful" doesn't give me any room for anything else, and what's more,

without any real idea of a career path, it's not really any use to go to college, but if i'm not going to school

I have to move out, and i can't afford that currently. I'm really pretty angry about this because I'm wasting time

and money and what's more, my dad expects me to finish something that I really am not 100% invested in.

I mean, I tried! I tried to put up with the school but it just doesn't click with me. shoot...i gotta get ready for work.

Later on i'll get into the rest of this...apologies for the short reply.

 

[Mr. Premise]

Okay well...I only got ten minutes to give a response here but i'll come back later and give more details.

Well what do you want to do?

No idea.

You did say that your dad basically made you go to school. Never said it was your desire for advanced education.

precisely the issue at hand. It's NOT my desire for advanced education, it's his. This rushing

and hurrying to get a degree and be "successful" doesn't give me any room for anything else, and what's more,

without any real idea of a career path, it's not really any use to go to college, but if i'm not going to school

I have to move out, and i can't afford that currently. I'm really pretty angry about this because I'm wasting time

and money and what's more, my dad expects me to finish something that I really am not 100% invested in.

I mean, I tried! I tried to put up with the school but it just doesn't click with me. shoot...i gotta get ready for work.

Later on i'll get into the rest of this...apologies for the short reply.

Abstract, you say you "tried" but what it looks like is that you tried to self-sabotage to prove something to your father. You showed him, huh? Like everyone is trying to tell you here, clearly your idea of "trying" is not enough.

Sounds to me like some psychotherapy would be a good idea so that you can learn to disentangle your needs from your perceived pressure from your father. You need some path that you can "own" so that you can take responsibility.

And do read Redirect because there are some case studies there that are very close to your situation.

 

[Psalehesost]

Well what do you want to do?

No idea.

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without any real idea of a career path, it's not really any use to go to college, but if i'm not going to school

I have to move out, and i can't afford that currently. I'm really pretty angry about this because I'm wasting time

and money and what's more, my dad expects me to finish something that I really am not 100% invested in.

I mean, I tried! I tried to put up with the school but it just doesn't click with me. shoot...i gotta get ready for work.

In addition to the recent psychology stuff (as you haven't been active on the forum for quite some time before this thread, no idea if you've read the recent threads; if not, they contain things of significance for us all) - two personal threads of my own also come to mind.

One is regarding not having much in the way of ordinary interest or "passion" for anything - and it evolved into a discussion regarding jobs in general and what it's really all about. It might give some perspective, perhaps.

The other (in The Swamp) is regarding making my decision about whether to resume studies or proceed in earnest on the new path of looking for a job. Your choice might end up different - but in any case, maybe it can have something of value, fwiw - or not - for you at present.

However things - and decisions - go, good luck.

 

[shellycheval]

This rushing and hurrying to get a degree and be "successful" doesn't give me any room for anything else, and what's more, without any real idea of a career path, it's not really any use to go to college, but if i'm not going to school I have to move out, and i can't afford that currently. I'm really pretty angry about this because I'm wasting time
and money and what's more, my dad expects me to finish something that I really am not 100% invested in.

I mean, I tried! I tried to put up with the school but it just doesn't click with me.

That was then—we are talking about your life right Now. You posted here for some reason—what did you expect to hear? Did you miss the part about how college can be about “learning how to learn,” regardless of your interest in any discipline, learning for the sake of gaining knowledge and life skills that may help you avoid being “lunch?”

There is no free lunch in this 3D hell. If you want the free ride your parents are offering you, then punch their ticket. Go to school and learn how to learn and think. Here is a big clue—it really doesn’t matter what you study as long as you learn how to think—critically analyze what you see and be able to discuss it rationally. At the community college level, it is the process that is the product.

Why do you expect something for nothing? If you really do not want to go to school at a college, then politely thank your parents for the opportunity and tell them you prefer to make it in life your own way—then pack your bags and leave. When you cross their threshold into the “real” world, you will be entering the toughest school of all—there is no avoiding getting an education—one way or another. I repeat—good luck.
shellycheval

 

[SeekinTruth]

Abstract, you have to find your place somehow in the overall scheme of things. Being able to figure out how to navigate in this world can come from many different experiences. It's understandable that you're angry about your father's conditions, but you need something to push you out into the world -- it's like certain birds where the mother pushes the chicks so they'll take the plunge into flying.

Like shelly said, you can go through the formal higher education system or go out on your own. Either way you will get an education, and neither way is going to be easy. This seems to be the crux of the matter. Which "school" to you want to attend?