Cosmic Forces and Perception

[brog]

I have been tossing these thoughts around tonight:

If every perceivable object is affected identically by a continuous force then this force is undetectable. It's like the earth spinning through space, when we thought it was a flat and stationary surface. If everything you know is moving in one direction, you won't think there is any movement at all. Therefore, an infinite variety of forces can be acting on something, but be completely undetectable. It is only when these forces vary in intensity or act uniquely on different objects that they become detectable.

This could be a reason why higher density forces which permeate our world are rarely detected at the 3rd - because they are virtually uniform or unchanging in our perception. This has many implications in the search for knowledge. For example, if you wish to gain substantial knowledge you must change or see change in forces which you cannot currently perceive.

With these thoughts in mind, experimentation and sensitivity become the most important tools for knowledge. Experimentation would be such things as openness to ideas, imagination to develop new possibilities, the will to carry them through, the awareness to observe new realities. These experimental ideals rely on the sensitivity of the observational tools, improved by detoxification of the body and mind.

I would appreciate any refinement or expansion on these thoughts. Thanks.

 

[Buddy]

This could be a reason why higher density forces which permeate our world are rarely detected at the 3rd - because they are virtually uniform or unchanging in our perception.

Perhaps so. My impression is that higher density forces most likely exist in the deeper structure of the universe around us - perhaps as layers of more subtle energy patterns on different scales than what we are used to perceiving with the eyes.

As I have stated before and I can see myself, the universe is absolutely stuffed full of patterns of all kinds and within this universe, these patterns have been discovered on the deepest levels and the widest scales imaginable.

Who can say whether some of these energy patterns are conscious...even having personality or existing as archetypes or whatnot? I can't, so I leave it open as a possibility. :)

 

[pstott]

Yes, and given that some of these higher-density forces are time-travellers who can alter our pasts to change the "present", we cannot even reliably trust our memories of what we have perceived. Sometimes I have vague memories of events that seem never to have happened and I can't be sure whether or not these come from dreams or imagination...or what?

Our perceptions are very limited by our 3rd density bodies, and it seems that our brains lack the ability to even conceptualize higher-density influences except perhaps by analogy.

We are also very locked in to our sense of time progression and causality, things in the past "causing" things in the present. I remember reading many years ago (I'm not quite sure where - possibly J.G. Bennett's writings) that it may be that causality can work backwards, such as a child "causing" his parents to come together to produce him.

Sometimes apparent synchronicities jolt my awareness - like a sense of recognition that something is going on but I'm not sure what it is... and I try to puzzle it out.

 

[Dorothy Minder]

Brog, your post reminded me of a story from Michio Kaku's Hyperspace. I found the relevant excerpt online:

What lies beyond our 4 dimensions?

When I was a child, I used to visit the Japanese Tea Garden in San Francisco. I would spend hours fascinated by the carp, who lived in a very shallow pond just inches beneath the lily pads, just beneath my fingers, totally oblivious to the universe above them.

I would ask myself a question only a child could ask: what would it be like to be a carp? What a strange world it would be! I imagined that the pond would be an entire universe, one that is two-dimensional in space. The carp would only be able to swim forwards and backwards, and left and right. But I imagined that the concept of “up”, beyond the lily pads, would be totally alien to them. Any carp scientist daring to talk about “hyperspace”, i.e. the third dimension “above” the pond, would immediately be labelled a crank. I wondered what would happen if I could reach down and grab a carp scientist and lift it up into hyperspace. I thought what a wondrous story the scientist would tell the others! The carp would babble on about unbelievable new laws of physics: beings who could move without fins. Beings who could breathe without gills. Beings who could emit sounds without bubbles. I then wondered: how would a carp scientist know about our existence? One day it rained, and I saw the rain drops forming gentle ripples on the surface of the pond.

Then I understood.

The carp could see rippling shadows on the surface of the pond. The third dimension would be invisible to them, but vibrations in the third dimensions would be clearly visible. These ripples might even be felt by the carp, who would invent a silly concept to describe this, called “force.” They might even give these “forces” cute names, such as light and gravity. We would laugh at them, because, of course, we know there is no “force” at all, just the rippling of the water.

Today, many physicists believe that we are the carp swimming in our tiny pond, blissfully unaware of invisible, unseen uni- verses [sic] hovering just above us in hyperspace. We spend our life in three spatial dimensions, confident that what we can see with our telescopes is all there is, ignorant of the possibility of 10 dimensional hyperspace. Although these higher dimensions are invisible, their “ripples” can clearly be seen and felt.

For more see: http://mkaku.org/home/?page_id=258


I imagine that as you suggest some of the higher density forces are "virtually uniform or unchanging in our perception" and thus undetectable. It's hard to ask the right questions about stable forces that never intrude on our awareness. I'm more confident about the existence of variable forces that we generally experience indirectly as "ripples".

As Pstott pointed out, our 3D bodies limit our ability to perceive, and our brains struggle to comprehend higher density realities, often settling for analogy. However, I think that an openness to experience and analogy, and a deep understanding of how our senses mediate reality, together offer us windows into higher-densities. But experiencing them still leaves the task of interpretation.

I like what you said here:

With these thoughts in mind, experimentation and sensitivity become the most important tools for knowledge. Experimentation would be such things as openness to ideas, imagination to develop new possibilities, the will to carry them through, the awareness to observe new realities. These experimental ideals rely on the sensitivity of the observational tools, improved by detoxification of the body and mind.

As your post indicates you certainly understand, networking with others is a key component as well. :)

 

[brog]

All great points! They have given me inspiration for study on a lot of topics, each one which could keep a person busy for a lifetime. I find myself particularly suited to analogy as I like to watch for physical processes and then try and apply them to various mental/spiritual problems in a micro/macro way. I am attracted to the idea of ripples, and will try meditating on their properties. Thanks.

 

[brog]

I found a related quote here: http://cassiopaea.org/2010/09/14/the-whirling-dervishes/

“There is a great difficulty in knowing God because His brightness is too much for the heart of man to bear. Man knows the extraordinary brightness of the sun, which reveals all things, yet if the earth did not revolve around the sun causing night, or if shade did not veil it, no one would know that light exists. He is hidden by His brightness.”