deaths of people

[loreta]

Maybe the title is not correct. But what I am seeing lately is that many people are dying around me the majority of cancer but others suddenly. When I say lately is during the last month. Every day someone tells me the death of someone, people around 70 but others around 50. I know that death is something normal, every day people die. But I have the sensation that lately they die too often. I have also the impression that this situation is becoming bigger, out of proportion. I feel that this crisis in Spain is touching many sides and people are very stressed, specially seniors. I have a friend that in the last month has almost went to funerals 4 times a week. Yesterday I was talking with the major of my village and he said to me that what is strange is that people, lately, died suddenly. I ask myself if maybe the vaccines are in part responsible of this. Or something else. But in fact the vaccines can be very responsible. And also the diet. People are dying like flies.

Are you living the same situation? Or it is my imagination? I am not obsessed by death but I start to see a pattern, I was even thinking that this seems a sort of "cleaning". I see also old people very distress, very lonely. And as I told you, this Spanish crisis will kill many others because in fact old people will not survive all the cuts.

 

[Voyageur]

Are you living the same situation? Or it is my imagination? I am not obsessed by death but I start to see a pattern, I was even thinking that this seems a sort of "cleaning". I see also old people very distress, very lonely. And as I told you, this Spanish crisis will kill many others because in fact old people will not survive all the cuts.

After reading a lot more history, especially linking to things from out there, one becomes a little more aware of the context of death from natural causes, from disease, from brutality and from historical earth events - and there have been a lot. Now, with populations, commensurate with our times, with our foods, toxins, environments and wars, it seems just that much more prevalent. Also, being roughly the same age, never used to monitor obituaries for instance, yet the connection to people, to families, to ones own mortality brings this into focus a little more with age. For instance, it seems to me that there is hardly now a family who has not had a member affected by cancer, it is like its own war taking people out. The stress on people, like you've pointed out, is a large contributor and our very systems, our lack of knowledge/awareness, seem to like to keep it that way. Unfortunately, don't think we've seen anything yet that compares to what we may experience in the future and this is not obsession, it is just what the dots are telling us, imo.

 

[lwu02eb]

I have personally noted a deterioration in the general health of those around me, as well as an increase in injuries and sudden deaths. I accept that this could, in part, be due to an increased sensitivity to these trends, but I don't think this accounts for the whole story. To my mind, it seems common sense that as the exponential curve becomes ever more steep and critical mass (of everything) is reached, this will begin to happen. As Voyageur says "Unfortunately, don't think we've seen anything yet that compares to what we may experience in the future and this is not obsession, it is just what the dots are telling us."

Given everything that is going on in the world, it would surely be strange not to be observing these trends. In fact, I am often amazed at just how well the human body and the Earth continue to function (relatively), given the huge and ever mounting pressures they are under.

 

[loreta]

I have personally noted a deterioration in the general health of those around me, as well as an increase in injuries and sudden deaths. I accept that this could, in part, be due to an increased sensitivity to these trends, but I don't think this accounts for the whole story. To my mind, it seems common sense that as the exponential curve becomes ever more steep and critical mass (of everything) is reached, this will begin to happen. As Voyageur says "Unfortunately, don't think we've seen anything yet that compares to what we may experience in the future and this is not obsession, it is just what the dots are telling us."

Given everything that is going on in the world, it would surely be strange not to be observing these trends. In fact, I am often amazed at just how well the human body and the Earth continue to function (relatively), given the huge and ever mounting pressures they are under.

I think very hard times are coming, specially here in Spain, but in the rest of the world also, and this is the beginning of the... beginning.

 

[ignis.intimus]

In the past two weeks two co-workers have died. Both were friends of mine, one worked in my department and I used to work in the same department with the other years ago.

The first committed suicide, completely unexpected by everyone who knew him. He was always friendly, outgoing and active in life. He was very well liked by everyone. In the months leading up to it, I noticed a distinct change in his behavior. He was becoming more withdrawn and participating less in our team chat. He was on some sort of meds, not sure what, but I know he had insomnia. Curiously for me, a week before he passed he mentioned in our team chat that he was narcissistic. It was said in a joking self-deprecating way, but he also seemed serious about it. Just very curious for me since you rarely hear that word being used in conversation.

They have not released the cause of death in the second person's case, although for the people who knew him (and how the first guy died) the S word is at the top of our minds. In this persons case, his death was much less surprising (for me at least). He was recently under an incredible amount of stress, all of it completely his fault. He had been taking lots of meds for some brain imbalances, and this finally started to catch up with him. He had been taking Adderall for a long time, along with many other meds that I can't remember. He was always talking about adjusting his levels, tweaking this, and adding that. His doctors apparently were very obliging in this regard. Then something happened and he snapped, and his wife had to call the cops on him. I don't know the details, but it was bad. Restraining order, inevitable divorce, criminal charges, and likely prison time. Afterwards, he started complaining about hallucinations and then went on anti-psychotic meds. So everything for him started to crumble all at once, and with his mental health issues, I am sure he was having a tough time dealing with it all, and one way or another this lead to his death. He was my friend, but he was also a bastard. I am sad that he is gone, but like I said, it was all his own (un)doing. I only feel bad for his adopted son who loved and looked up to him. He had a long way to go as a father I think, but he made sincere efforts to have a positive impact on that boy's life. As far as I can tell, the relationship he had with that boy was possibly the only good thing he ever did with his life. I say this now because I wanted and tried to say it to him when he was alive, but I never got the chance. I can only imagine how his life review process was not a very happy event.

We are not a huge company, and these were basically our first two deaths in the 8 years I have been here. A developer contractor died a few years back, but no one knew him and so it didn't have any impact on people. But these two guys had been with the company for a while, about as long as I have been. So it has been hard for many of us, with one person dying and then another a week later. It was also my first experience with death, and it took some time to process the emotions involved. The first person dying was a huge shock, and the second one probably would've been just as much as one, except myself and probably others were still dealing with the first death.

 

[Voyageur]

In the past two weeks two co-workers have died. Both were friends of mine, one worked in my department and I used to work in the same department with the other years ago.

Very sorry that you and your colleagues and especially the families are going through this. As this appears to relate to pharmaceuticals and other stressor's, not named, it can be well imagined by readers here. It is a shame and even criminal or at least negligent that our professional and supposed watch dog systems foster and exacerbate these conditions.

It reminds me too if what Dr. Mercola said here:

Did you know that while the United States makes up only five percent of the world's population, we consume over 50 percent of all the world's pharmaceutical drugs?

This is a societal experiment and the outcomes are know, yet it is protected in prescriptive measures.

Hope you folks can lesson the shock of this and come to new reasoning; perhaps helping each other in awareness of causation.

 

[loreta]

All the people I know that have died in the last year were under medication. I ask always if they were taking medication and the answer is always YES. I don't do a comment by the ways when they tell me that. I ask the question to friends or people who knew the person who died... I am very delicate with this question. But yes, they were taking medication: one woman of 60 for depression, she died suddenly. One man, very strong and jovial, died suddenly also. He was taking medication for cholesterol and another one also, he died when taking care of his cows: also was taking medication for high pressure and cholesterol.

Edit: By the way... nobody of these 3 persons were smokers...

 

[ajseph 21]

Actually its sad now that I think about it. Most depression drugs have suicidal thoughts as a side effect so being on meds could block a person's spirit in a way. Having those thoughts leave you almost empty inside! Also I've heard of the "no cebo effect" (think opposite of placebo) where if you're made to believe you're sick you eventually become sick. All of these doctors who diagnose these potentially spiritual problems without considering them are making the patient worse with pills that throw the body's chemicals out of sync. They're then told half truths about their condition (its just your serotonin levels) and then you have a depressed person who takes meds that makes them more depressed.