Detox foot bath

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The Living Force
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I have found this web site : _http://www.aquadetoxfrance.com/AquaDetoxFrance/WebSite/MethodUK.htm (there's _http://www.physiodetox.com and a lot more...)
which pretend to sell a too to detox the body : "each foot has over 2000 pores through which toxins can be excreted".

The photos are very impressive. So impressive that it make me suspicious. How our body can product such "mud" thought our foot :O

After some search :
"Il faut quand même finir par dire sur ce forum que si vous mettez en marche le courant dans un bain de pied détox sans mettre vos pieds dedans, vous obtiendrez également une eau marron ou d’une autre couleur peu ragoutante, selon l’eau que vous aurez utilisée, le sel que vous aurez utilisé, et le niveau de propreté de votre cuvette et des électrodes !!!" source : http://www.atoute.org/n/forum/showthread.php?t=84920&page=4

translation : "If you use the machine without putting you foot, you get brown water depending the water, the salt and the cleanness of the bowl and the electrodes."

Nevertheless there's perhaps some real effects but it's hard to know.
 
I had some of these foot baths at my naturopath's clinic. The water looked very similar to your photos. The main reason for the discoloration is the quick corrosion of the electrodes. It's a bit less when the bath is run empty. At the end it's hard to know, how much detox there is with this method. My naturopath suggested two alternatives, which I prefer now:
A whole body bath of about 45 minutes with either
- raw sea salt, abt. 500 gr per bath
or
- ordinary baking soda(natriumhydrogenecarbonate), abt. 80 gr
 
Detoxifying foot bath quackery
junk science to draw dollars out of your wallet

Have you ever heard of those foot-baths through which an electric current is passed in order to draw out the "toxins" from your body? To someone who knows no chemistry, it can be quite impressive to see all these evil substances color the water various shades of brown, green, and blue as the current works its magic. (See this typical example.) Sometimes you see flecks of solids and bubbles of gas appear as your body is "cleansed". Well, this is an old parlor trick, a nice chemistry-classroom demonstration, and, of course, a highly profitable scam. It is offered by ayurvedic healers and other quackery practioners, including some naturopathic and chiropractic physicians, and can go by such names as Ionic Detoxification, Aqua Chi, Bionic Hydrotherapy®, etc.

Of course, it always feels good to rest your tired feet in a container of warm water, and the slight tingling sensation caused by the low-voltage current might even be rather pleasant. But the stuff about drawing "toxins" out of your body is pure bunk. That's the job of your kidneys, which are exquisitely suited to this task. Anyone who has taken a course in physiology knows that

* there is no way an electric current passing through a part of your body can distinguish between "good" molecules and "bad" molecules ("toxins"), most of which are electrically neutral anyway;
* the skin is impermeable to all but a few chemical substances; there is no evidence that any that are found inside the body can pass through the skin to the outside, with or without the help of an electric current.
* All but a very few of the "toxins" produced as metabolic products are colorless— suggesting that what you see during these "treatments" is put there for show.

Some typical deceptive bunk

Some sites show pictures of what they purport to be blood cells before and after treatment, implying that the cells become less entangled or clumped together. Don't be fooled by this nonsense, which is usually attributed to un-named "doctors" and has never been reported in the reputable scientific literature.

Various goofy electrical instruments such as "Electro Dermal Screening" which are said to register various aspects of bodily health are used to "prove" the effectiveness of foot-bath treatments. In truth, there is no reason to believe that these devices, which are exclusive to the quackery-healing trade, measure anything significant at all, other than perhaps the gullibility of the subjects who they are used on.

Some promotions go really far-out in their appeal to the pseudoscience-inclined:

"The ... unit can rebalance energy meridians through the bio-charge. The complex energy fields of the unit permeate the water, realigning a body’s energy field. Many of the benefits of the unit can be attributed to the "re-balancing" of these energy lines allowing a body mass to function better. The action results in the initial purging of toxins and nucleic waste product generated within the cells and surrounding membrane." [link]

So how do these things really work?

You place your feet in a bowl of water to which a bit of salt has been added. A small electric current is passed between two electrodes immersed in the water, which soon becomes quite discolored. The color, of course, comes from electrolytic corrosion of the metal electrodes. These are usually made of iron, nickel, and copper, all of which decompose into colored ions. These colors will vary with the amount of salt present and the pH of the solution, and they can be changed and greatly intensified by the substances that either added to the bath before use, or are present in the "soaps" often used to prepare the patient's feet. By-products of the electrolysis process are bubbles of hydrogen and chlorine gases (both of which are dangerous in confined spaces) and sodium hydroxide, commonly known as "lye". The latter tends to soften skin, allowing it to flake off, pick up various colors on reacting with the metal ions, and complete the illusion that one usually pays dearly for: individual treatments can be from $50 up, and the grossly overpriced power supply "machines" sold for home use can go for more than $1000. (You could of course build your own power source from parts obtainable from Radio Shack for around $35; see here for instructions.)

And of course, all that really gets cleaned out is your wallet!

No-color foot bath

This outfit admits that whatever colors appear in these devices comes from the electrodes. But they more than make up for this bit of honesty by spinning a scientifically-absurd tale of how their device produces "only hydrogen and oxygen" and generates a

proprietary plasma field structure to maximize energy and produce the needed bio-charge, thus [magically] increasing the charge on the plasma membrane surrounding the cell, reducing surplus hydrogen ions - restoring proper cell function and increasing the body's ability to start to process the toxins properly again.

Detox foot-pads

If foot baths are too messy for you, the quackery-hucksters have come up with a more convenient product: detox foot-pads which you attach to the soles of your feet so they can work their magic while you sleep!

This sillyness, which is apparently based on an old Japanese myth, employs a variety of "natural" substances such as vinegars, plant extracts, tourmaline, dextrin, vitamin C, and for all I know, eye-of-newt.

If you click on the "Product Info" menu item on this page, you will see a detailed list of some of these woundrous ingredients, and will learn that these pads employ "far infrared" radiation (a long-time favorite claim made for all kinds of quack remedies) and that they magically draw the "toxin" molecules out through [fictional] acupuncture meridians that supposedly connect all of the important bodily organs to the soles of the feet.

Typical promotional "before" and "after" photos purport to show how the pads become discolored with use. Given the dog's breakfast of ingredients, it's hard to say how the color change arises. My best guess is that some of the plant extracts contain flavinoid compounds, many of which are known to darken as they become air-oxidized in the presence of moisture. But you can be sure that these have nothing at all to do with "toxins"!
 
Foot detox scam

{Google video}

These foot pads are made of bug shells, sugar, vinegar, sawdust and sand.
They get sticky because your feet sweat.

GAIAM sells them, though they are completely unscientific:
_http://www.gaiam.com/product/wellness-clinic/alternative-therapy/detox/body+purifying+foot+pads.do

Here's a link to the Ionic Footbath Hoax video above, if for some reason it is unavailable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJNnTKw8-jE

Gaiam is selling this foot bath
_http://www.gaiam.com/category/wellness-clinic/alternative-therapy/detox.do
_http://www.talkabouthealthnetwork.com/group/alt.health.oxygen-therapy/messages/4280.html

Spaindex has good questions -
http://www.spaindex.com/Articles/IonicScam.htm

This is a good debunking article
http://www.devicewatch.org/reports/aquadetox.shtml

How much does Gaiam make from ads on your blog? A thousand a year? Two?
http://www.business-opportunities.biz/projects/how-much-is-your-blog-worth/?url=www.boingboing.net
 
In my above post I forgot to mention one detail: my first treatment had a very strong effect on my kidneys, which I could feel for several hours like they were incinerated. My naturopath had warned me that the footbath would activate the kidneys and I should drink some more water than usual. This is about what happened in my case. After six treatments I am still not sure if there is much benefit from these foothbaths. I simply cannot judge it and I would not say that I felt rejuvenated and thoroughly cleaned after the treatments. It is, however, not correct to say that they don't do anything.

By the way: the author of the above article "Detoxifying foot bath quackery" may be mostly right but he also discards homeopathy with remarkable ease. Maybe we should take his words with a grain of salt.
 
broken.english said:
In my above post I forgot to mention one detail: my first treatment had a very strong effect on my kidneys, which I could feel for several hours like they were incinerated. My naturopath had warned me that the footbath would activate the kidneys and I should drink some more water than usual. This is about what happened in my case. After six treatments I am still not sure if there is much benefit from these foothbaths. I simply cannot judge it and I would not say that I felt rejuvenated and thoroughly cleaned after the treatments. It is, however, not correct to say that they don't do anything.

I think that having a mild electric current passing through your body - or at least stimulating the acupuncture points on the feet - can have a beneficial effect, or at the very least, produce "effects." That may be what happened to you. But the mechanisms of detoxing simply do not figure in here except in a remote way. There is a liver point just on the top of the foot between two bones leading to the second and third toes I believe, that could stimulate the liver's activity. But, of course, in a really toxic body, this isn't going to have a lot of result.

By the way: the author of the above article "Detoxifying foot bath quackery" may be mostly right but he also discards homeopathy with remarkable ease. Maybe we should take his words with a grain of salt.

I agree completely. Discrimination and care has to be taken in assessing these things and knowledge protects! A good knowledge base informs us that there is a lot going on at energetic levels that we don't understand and that includes homeopathy!

But this ignorance on the part of many New Age believers - many of whom are very similar to Christian Fundies in their seeking for a "savior" or a "formula" is what supports a lot of fraud and gives the whole field a bad name.

I tried the foot pads and they turned black as anything! Nasty! But I didn't feel one bit better. Try taping one of them,to a hot water bottle and see what happens...
 
I had similar thoughts on this kidney effect I felt. If the main effect of the footbath is a stimulation of kidneys and possibly liver there may be some benefit but I would rather rely on an internal herbal cleanse such as a Hulda Clark kidney cleanse. There is a much better chance that hard or crystalline matter in kidneys and liver will be dissolved. It is the next thing I will do. Thanks for your input.
 
'Detoxifying' Foot Pads are a Scam

An NPR experiment on Kinoki foot pads tested to see if they'd drawn anything out of a reporter's body.

Reporter Sarah Varney and her husband bought some "detoxifying" Kinoki foot pads and wore them to bed. In the morning, they both awoke find the pads covered in the brown mess that the advertisement had promised. But when they took the foot pads to a lab and had them analyzed and compared with unused pads, the used pads were almost identical to the blank.

Further experimentation showed that the "gunk" in the pads shows up if you hold the pad over a pot of boiling water. Who knew steam had "metabolic waste"?

Dr. Mercola's Comments:

I have received quite a number of emails from readers lately asking questions about these types of detoxifying foot pads; seems a lot of people desperately want to believe they work as advertised.

The Kinoki foot pads -- as well as other brands -- promise to draw out everything from heavy metals to metabolic wastes, toxins, parasites, cellulite and more, to restore your vitality and health.

I always questioned the value of this tool for detoxification, and, despite the lack of scientific research, the independent investigative reports above seem to agree: The likelihood that detoxifying foot pads work is slim to none.

However, certain foot pads may still offer some value - just not necessarily what they're advertising. And, you're not likely to get it from most brands.

Dr. Klinghardt Sheds Light on "Detoxifying" Foot Pads


In my recent two-hour Inner Circle interview with my good friend, Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt -- who is a pioneer and one of my primary mentors in natural medicine, and founder and president of the American Academy of Neural Therapy - I had the opportunity to ask him for his perspective and experience with detoxifying foot pads.

I came in contact with the foot pads about ten years ago through a Swiss-based company that was marketing the first footpad in Europe. The company is called Seguin, and they're marketing the traditional Japanese foot pad.

It's been out for over 100 years; the Japanese are using fermented bamboo vinegar. Now, what struck me at the time is that this bamboo juice had to be fermented for nine years before it was used.

We tried other foot pads, and there was clearly an effect similar to acupuncture, where people's energetic systems improved.

I did not see any significant triggering of detoxification - we just saw improvements in the autonomic nervous system, depending on where you put the foot pad.

Typically, by putting it on the soles of the feet, there is, in acupuncture, a relationship to the kidney meridian. And we did find that an improvement in urine, and in the organic acids. The kidneys bind toxins to organic acids, and the more organic acids come out, the more effective the kidneys are working.

And we clearly saw an improvement with that.

So, the benefit is not really relating to heavy metals, but more to the carbon-based toxins.

Then several other companies came out with different concoctions of things that they put in a footpad -- that were not fermented for 9 years -- other sorts of more exotic things, and they made all sorts of claims...

I simply use my muscle testing in my autonomic response testing system, and none of the [commercial] pads have held up. Some of them looked promising, but none of them held up and have become part of my approach. I don't want to say that all of them are bad or worthless, but the ones I tested certainly didn't hold their promise.

There's always an initial placebo effect when you do something like this.

Certainly I can say that bamboo vinegar in the original pads had clear benefits that we could also biochemically demonstrate, but I think there is a lot of questionable science out there with that, so I have stopped using them.

So there you have it.

There may be some biochemical benefits from the original Japanese foot pads that contain more expensive ingredients, such as 9-year old fermented bamboo vinegar.

But, as far as detoxing heavy metals and toxins, not even the original foot pads could accomplish that.


As the investigations by the NPR, ABC and MSNBC, Dr. Klinghardt couldn't find any proof that the pads drew out toxins or metabolic wastes either.

Toxicology Lab Found No Toxins in Used Foot Pads

Like reporter Sarah Varney, 20/20's correspondent John Stossel also took used pads in for toxicology testing. And, like hers, Stossel's results came back negative.

20/20 asked NMS Labs, a national laboratory in Willow Grove, Pa., to analyze used Kinoki and Avon pads from eight volunteers. They tested for heavy metals, including arsenic and mercury, and 23 solvents such as benzene, tolulene and styrene.

None of these common toxins were found in the used pads.

So what's that brown, foul-smelling gunk?

It's just a natural reaction between the ingredients and the moisture from the bottom of your foot.

Exposing the pads to moisture, either by placing them over a steaming pot of water, or putting a few drops of water on them will make the ingredients turn a darker color and emit an unpleasant odor.

Dr. Devra Davis, director of the Center for Environmental Oncology at the University of Pittsburgh and an expert on toxins, also conducted a similar experiment on her own, leaving the pads out overnight without their protective packaging. In an article for MSNBC she stated the pads contain "little more than green tea and vinegar," and that the color and odor are likely the result of these ingredients "interacting with oxygen, heat or moisture."

20/20 asked Avon and Kinoki for scientific test results showing the pads do what they claim to do, but neither company fulfilled the request.

Detoxing... For Real

Your environment does indeed have a profound impact on your health. Everything from the quality of the air you breathe to what you put into, and onto, your body makes a difference. Mercury alone can mimic or cause any illness currently known, or at least contribute to it. Detoxing and cleansing your body of toxins periodically can definitely help.

But what is the best way to rid your system of toxins?

As I write this I just returned from a three day think-tank outside of Los Angeles with some of the top experts in autism detoxification (www.thriiive.com). We explored some of the major modalities that are available.

The group came up with the following consensus and priority

1. Healthy Living
2. Avoiding Electromagnetic Fields (EMF)
3. Clean Water
4. Healthy Food
5. Healthy Movement
6. Emotions & Relationships
7. Tests
8. Organ Support
9. Supplements
10. Detox Tools

As you can see detoxification is a very important tool but it is clearly not high on the priority list of what to do if you are sick. It is one of the last steps in the process. I will be providing more information about these in the future as our group comes to a consensus but the key is that detoxification is a late step done after you have started the basics.

If you fail to follow an orderly process and begin detoxification processes prematurely before you are ready you can become very sick.

When Should You NOT Detox?

So please remember do not start a detox regimen when you are sick.

You need to start your healthy lifestyle FIRST, before you start detoxing, so you have a reserve that your body can draw on to allow your liver to do its job properly.

If you fail to do this you can easily overwhelm your liver's ability to process these toxic substances that are being eliminated and you will become VERY sick, wishing you had never done the detox in the first place. I have seen this many times, so please use some caution.
 
It sounds like pretty definitive evidence that the foot pads are not doing anything considering the labrotary analysis of the used pads. But I am wondering why similar research has not been done on the water in the foot baths?
 
Hi Calypso --

As Vulcan59 already mentioned, you are encouraged to create an intro thread in the Newbies section. I look forward to seeing you there :)
 
Thanks for posting this information. I visited a therapy clinic the other day asking whether they had Infrared Sauna or Blanket treatments only to have them try and sell me on the idea of Ion Detox Foot Spas. I was a bit skeptical about this approach but the pictures they showed of the discolouration in the water and wonder stories about how their customers feel much better had me 50/50 on the idea.

Thankfully, I checked on the forum first before jumping into paying quite a bit for these treatments. The video with the carrot detoxing all these colours was the icing on the cake. :cool2:
 
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