Different Realities Within One Reality - How is it possible and how to proceed?

[Menna]

The above title has been on my mind recently. I know that 3D earth is not the only cosmic creation and there are many man many possibilities and different realities, however, it amazes me how one human being can have a frequency, awareness, intellect, consciousness and all that - that is so different from another human being and their realities intersect or become connected and or during the connection one reality goes one way and the other goes another way. How this complete opposite or different reality is ALLOWED to interact with another's amazes me and from a soul, spirit, work, STO CANDIDATE standpoint what is the best way to interact and engage after one comes to this awareness? I know each situation is different and this is a specific but also somewhat general questions but what I am asking for are general rules of thumb. I am not talking about walking past someone on the street or interacting the a vendor for 15 seconds but Co-Workers, family, relationships, friends, people you see weekly, monthly....As its not their fault as little have the knowledge to DO anything but at the same time one doesn't have to be exposed any by doing the works and gaining knowledge one has earned the privilege to choose and exercise free will

I am not coming from the standpoint of better or worse or wrong or right but at this point in my life and after two decades in the work I can "feel" and "sense" my reality and when I come up against another who has a completely different reality or whose reality changes drastically or hasn't developed at all what is the best way to proceed?

I am not so much talking about an STO VS STS standpoint but a living the optimal, healthy, best life for oneself standpoint. If one sees another persons reality that they perpetuate and it is bumping or interacting with yours and you feel, sense, see and know its deleterious to yours or is not optimal what is the best course of action? Complete no contact/cut off cold turkey? Avoidance? Communicate why you don't want to interact?

As I know the universe and the people in it are on their own timeline and the Universe has its reasons.... to try and bend, move or influence another's timeline only muddies ones own water and is futile hence why I bring this up because there are lessons and then there are ones own reaction or how they handle lessons, situations and how one proceeds after the lesson with the new awarness. Its not just about learning the lesson but how you use it and react and deal with it. Once one learns the lessons of different realities, reality changes or regression in others and one's own progression or change of direction what is the best way to interact with those former realities in your life as external consideration still exposes one to the others reality?

FYI its tough to put into words what is so esoteric but I hope the reader get the gist.

 

[hobnob]

I think no contact or avoidance of family and coworkers may be impossible. If you can't have fun with them, I suppose that it isn't necessary to have fun with them. One should just comport oneself as if everyone's on the up and up. Even if on the inside others are really Jabba the Hutt.

Communicating why you don't want to interact is a bit of a vague option. That may be necessary, but it could also have consequences, or lead to some annoying argument with them. I would presume that these are the types, anyway, that never get the point in the first place.

Ultimately, if there really is no one else "to love," there is always oneself.

These are nice questions you've brought to for me to ask myself, thanks.

 

[Wandering Star]

I am not coming from the standpoint of better or worse or wrong or right but at this point in my life and after two decades in the work I can "feel" and "sense" my reality and when I come up against another who has a completely different reality or whose reality changes drastically or hasn't developed at all what is the best way to proceed?

In fact, I believe that by being able to identify those people who act in life in a harmful or detrimental way for you and for them, what works later is the STO or STS option.

What are the repercussions of our action with them?

Is there any benefit to anyone or is it just benefiting us?

Therefore there is no specific answer, since it depends on the situation, the person, their relationship with us and our ability to see the possible consequences of those interactions.

Respect the limitations of the people with whom we interact and help them to the extent possible based on their development.

Even my son shakes his head in frustration when his grandfather asks him, for the umpteenth time, to teach him how to set a digital clock or how to use a phone app.

He has already understood that it is beyond his ability to learn certain things (many) and that patience and teaching as many times as he wants and asks for is the best.

However, if one of these people, without knowledge, wants to do something that will harm us, others or himself...

He has free will, but so do we.

 

[Princess Lux 🌷]

Q: (L) I guess that means that you need to visualize light around yourself and your house. (D) I guess some sage and holy water... (L) No, no, no, no, no rituals. Knowledge. The power of the mind only. (T) If she stops associating with P__ and group will this be a good step in the right direction?

A: We do not condone recommendations for friendships and associations; that is free will.

Q: (L) So, they are not going to tell you who to associate with, it is your own choice. (J) But, now that you have the knowledge, you can make an informed choice. (D) Well, there is no choice... that is it.

A: Up to you.

I guess it is all up to you and up to them. One who has knowledge about colleagues and family members will be able to use free will to make a wise choice what to do with them.

I am not coming from the standpoint of better or worse or wrong or right but at this point in my life and after two decades in the work I can "feel" and "sense" my reality and when I come up against another who has a completely different reality or whose reality changes drastically or hasn't developed at all what is the best way to proceed?

In my experience, I asked them questions to understand what they meant and if it is something that I am sure is not reality, then I ask questions to suggest a different POV. If they stand on what they want to believe and if I am sure it is false, then I let them go.

I have found this story tweeted by one of the accounts I followed on X (Twitter)

The donkey told the tiger, “The grass is blue.”
The tiger replied, “No, the grass is green.”
The discussion became heated, and the two decided to submit the issue to arbitration, so they approached the lion.
As they approached the lion on his throne, the donkey started screaming: ′′Your Highness, isn’t it true that the grass is blue?”
The lion replied: “If you believe it is true, the grass is blue.”
The donkey rushed forward and continued: ′′The tiger disagrees with me, contradicts me and annoys me. Please punish him.”
The king then declared: ′′The tiger will be punished with 3 days of silence.”
The donkey jumped with joy and went on his way, content and repeating ′′The grass is blue, the grass is blue…”
The tiger asked the lion, “Your Majesty, why have you punished me, after all, the grass is green?”
The lion replied, ′′You’ve known and seen the grass is green.”
The tiger asked, ′′So why do you punish me?”
The lion replied, “That has nothing to do with the question of whether the grass is blue or green.
The punishment is because it is degrading for a brave, intelligent creature like you to waste time arguing with an ass, and on top of that, you came and bothered me with that question just to validate something you already knew was true!”
The biggest waste of time is arguing with the fool and fanatic who doesn’t care about truth or reality, but only the victory of his beliefs and illusions.
Never waste time on discussions that make no sense. There are people who, for all the evidence presented to them, do not have the ability to understand.
Others who are blinded by ego, hatred and resentment, and the only thing that they want is to be right even if they aren’t.

 

[BHelmet]

I think I get what you are saying. Everyone bouncing around in a different flavored bubble made of different stuff with vastly different perspectives all thrown together.

It is very possible to overthink this. It just is what is. When you say “amazing” it sounds like you more mean confounding. Like how can this be? And yet, it is a fact on the ground.

If life is religion, does that impact how to respond to realizing the fact we are all strangers in a strange land?

Yes I shake my head at times but, the longer I am here the easier it is to take it in stride.

To flip the script, On a certain level, each of us is alone and there is nobody out there. That is the counterpoint.

 

[bozadi]

Lack of co-linearity with those around us… Problems of similar and different nature have been forcing me to seek answers to such questions as well. In fact, now and again, everyone and everything around me appears to counteract me, even attack me, drive me mad. Psychic attackers appear to find very favorable weaknesses in my psyche. Not only this but also the heavy troubles experienced by my beloved ones as well as the never-ending tragedies suffered by humanity… So much stress, pain, tragedy, helplessness… The STS beings probably have a great feast on this. They often make well-being so difficult. But this can also be an opportunity for us by forcing us to dig deeper in our mind/soul for solutions.

The approach I’ve been recently testing is something like this:

Whatever happens in my personal life and in the life of humanity, I need to be well and grow better and better. We are supposed to be attracted to something, like the sunflower’s attraction to the sun. I think true well-being and growing ever better is the result of our getting nearer to our deepest, truest being, which everything actually is; oneness, 7D.

By design, sooo many aspects of our 3D life conditions distract us from meeting this religious/existential need, the need to recognize and identify with the goodness in our being and go ever deeper into it. Enjoy wellness and enjoy the travel to its purest form following the gravity of wellness. But there is a balance issue, of course, between the heavy adversities and deceptiveness (pains and pleasures) of our 3D life, on the one hand, and the simple gravity-based existential journey, on the other hand.

In this context, I believe the increase in knowledge is closely related to the increase in existential/religious wellness.

Roughly, this is the approach I’ve been testing for some while. Generally, it feels promising but sometimes I feel a very heavy pressure on me, like psychic attacks or similar things.

 

[Menna]

I think no contact or avoidance of family and coworkers may be impossible. If you can't have fun with them, I suppose that it isn't necessary to have fun with them.

Maybe not at first but one can build and work toward a life where contacted is nil or extremely limited. I am not so much talking about immediate family. I give immediate family as much slack as I can its more everyone else, long term friends, co workers, extended family, intimate non blood/family relationships...

Regarding fun I more look at respect, care, trust and reciprocity in some capacity in relationships...I can ask a stranger to play tennis and have "fun" with them for a hour.

Ultimately, if there really is no one else "to love," there is always oneself.

Exactly and as one loves oneself more becomes healthier gains knowledge enters into different vibrations frequencies I believe it is more important to protect oneself from what I am talking about in this post or at least be aware of it so one can consciously choose instead of walking into a fire subconsciously.

 

[Menna]

Respect the limitations of the people with whom we interact and help them to the extent possible based on their development.

Exactly and in respect and knowing and seeing where others are at their level/reality and how hard it is to properly progress and if people are not involved n the work or "buffer" then I believe the best respect is non/limited interaction if help is not asked for directly...and even then like you said its STO to decide what works for both parties and then act or non actions

Even my son shakes his head in frustration when his grandfather asks him, for the umpteenth time, to teach him how to set a digital clock or how to use a phone app.

He has already understood that it is beyond his ability to learn certain things (many) and that patience and teaching as many times as he wants and asks for is the best.

Yes, and I assume his grandfather sincerely can't do what he is asking for help with, most likely appreciates it and then doesn't abuse (physically, mentally or spiritually) or mistreat his grandson...If the opposite is true then...Is it STO to help when asked but putting oneself in potential toxic reality my point is that certain peoples reality/programs default to a negative outcome...its a net negative result at the end of the day and these people can be so close to others who are net positives or default to a positive result.

I understand its a complicated world and there has to be a lack of self importance to survive and at times it is what it is but it is peculiar to me how this dynamic plays out not only in my life but others I talk to over and over again...Certain things have to be possible and it does confuse me how this is not only possible but ubiquitous.

 

[Menna]

I guess it is all up to you and up to them. One who has knowledge about colleagues and family members will be able to use free will to make a wise choice what to do with them.

Thank you for the reference from one of the C's sessions. Sounds like friends and acquaintances are "arbitrary" in some sense not as material or important as one may think when considering "The Work" advancements STO candidacy and such things. I would expect a different answer if they were of the utmost importance more direction and not so "open". Looks likes the friends you keep are the lessons or toxicity or beauty and positivity you choose? The C's kind of answer my question within their somewhat non answer.

With knowledge, consciousness, wisdom and the ABILITY to choose it is up to that person "YOU" but I do not think it is up to "THEM" as they are working from programs and subconscious and around and around they go. If one is run heavily by their programs then it is not up to that person and here in lies my point who wants to be a casualty by proximity

In my experience, I asked them questions to understand what they meant and if it is something that I am sure is not reality, then I ask questions to suggest a different POV. If they stand on what they want to believe and if I am sure it is false, then I let them go.

I agree if there is any kind of history or strong or long term relationship communication is good before one "lets go" its a common curtesy I would think. However, once I see the other persons side how their intellectual, emotional centers and all that interact with reality when I am about to "let go" I do not suggest a different anything. During the thick of the relationship I do give my perspective and there is always dialog but then there comes a point a tipping point where you see the others reality and see the directions things will go... as at my age my friends, acquaintances, extended family and what not are entering middle age...If one doesn't get it after decades of grace, mutual shared experiences and their views, reality mental state is so different ... I am not going to sit around wishing and hoping the tide turns as I know I can't do anything to fight the tides or I don't want to.

 

[Princess Lux 🌷]

Sounds like friends and acquaintances are "arbitrary" in some sense not as material or important as one may think when considering "The Work" advancements STO candidacy and such things. I would expect a different answer if they were of the utmost importance more direction and not so "open". Looks likes the friends you keep are the lessons or toxicity or beauty and positivity you choose? The C's kind of answer my question within their somewhat non answer.

He added that the little petty tyrants are further divided into four categories. One that torments with brutality and violence. Another that does it by creating unbearable apprehension through deviousness. Another which oppresses with sadness. And the last, which torments by making warriors rage …

“My benefactor used to say that the warrior who stumbles on a petty tyrant is a lucky one. He meant that you’re fortunate if you come upon one in your path, because if you don’t, you have to go out and look for one.”

He explained that one of the greatest accomplishments of the seers of the Conquest was a construct he called the three-phase progression. By understanding the nature of man, they were able to reach the incontestable conclusion that if seers can hold their own in facing petty tyrants, they can certainly face the unknown with impunity, and then they can even stand the presence of the unknowable.

“The average man’s reaction is to think that the order of that statement should be reversed,” he went on. “A seer who can hold his own in the face of the unknown can certainly face petty tyrants. But that’s not so. What destroyed the superb seers of ancient times was that assumption. We know better now. We know that nothing can temper the spirit of a warrior as much as the challenge of dealing with impossible people in positions of power. Only under those conditions can warriors acquire the sobriety and serenity to stand the pressure of the unknowable.”

I am not suggesting they are petty tyrants though. There is a learning opportunity for us through those that surround us and if they fall to that category (petty tyrants), there is this tactic that Don Juan suggested and what Laura has shared from The Wave Chapter 33 just preceding that excerpt I have shared.

When Carlos compares ridding oneself of self-importance to the Church’s dictums on the evil of sin, don Juan replies, “Warriors fight self-importance as a matter of strategy, not principle. Your mistake is to understand what I say in terms of morality.” He explains that what Carlos perceives in him as “morality” is really his impeccability, or his proper use of energy. By properly identifying “behavioral patterns that are not essential to our survival and well-being”, like the activity of self-importance, one can eliminate what is unnecessary and draining. “One of the first concerns of warriors is to free that energy in order to face the unknown with it.”

The process of rechanneling this energy involves six interplaying elements, five of which are called the “attributes of warriorship” – control, discipline, forbearance, timing, and will.

 

[PopHistorian]

Addressing the original title "Different Realities Within One Reality - How is it possible and how to proceed?" The way I see it is that, although we are all at 3D, everyone is in their own personal sub-density of awareness, since no two people are the same. That seems easy enough to grasp and to explain "how is it possible." As for how to proceed, accept that everyone is in their own personal sub-density of awareness and no one, while alive here, will ever fully understand another's. :)

 

[Menna]

I am not suggesting they are petty tyrants though. There is a learning opportunity for us through those that surround us and if they fall to that category (petty tyrants), there is this tactic that Don Juan suggested and what Laura has shared from The Wave Chapter 33 just preceding that excerpt I have shared.

I agree that those around us provide learning opportunities, albeit I am tired of doing the 3rd grade math homework over and over again along with watching the same reruns over and over again. Ive learned ive experienced and I have the merchandise from the lesson. If one absolutely has to be around a petty tyrant, yes, use the knowledge to tolerate and operate and learn properly but at a certain point it is just redundant and annoying. Hence my sentiments of it is the conscious beings ability to choose, however I was just touching on the fact that it was mentioned "it is up to you and up to them..."

To touch on the bolded above that may be so but it is "up to" the conscious aware free will being and "up to" the subconsciously driven heavily programed being in two different ways is my point and my point for this thread in general. The two realities conscious and subconscious free will and non free will are allowed to be meshed and rub up against each other often and that does amaze me I would assume it wouldn't be allowed (or at least more rare) like trying to mix water and oil....

 

[Menna]

To flip the script, On a certain level, each of us is alone and there is nobody out there. That is the counterpoint.

Well that would be fine. Better than mixing with negative realities that are masked at first or are able to move together and then take a turn.

If I’m alone it’s easier to be, decide and move than mixed with others facade’s or mirages that soon fade. Leaving one less optimal than if one never got involved. This is my point …. The realities are close enough or part of the realities are the same but there can also be stark differences present that are revealed or later come about… this is my point

In the human body if I am 80% healthy/positive and 20% sick/negative I am going to know that 20% it will reveal itself to me. It seems in 3D parts can be colinearity but other parts completely off but the two are allowed to be.

Maybe realities are like immune systems constantly working for some homeostasis and during the course things are bouncing around … I don’t know

 

[Menna]

The way I see it is that, although we are all at 3D, everyone is in their own personal sub-density of awareness, since no two people are the same. That seems easy enough to grasp and to explain "how is it possible."

I should have added to the title how can they interact so closely.

I understand the sub-density of awareness but why I posted is that everyone is not in their own personal reality/awareness two people can have different and be together or co mingle … then one day the realities depart by free will choice or subconscious programs or combination but to do the reality dance for so long and be different is what I meant in the words in the title or for the two realities to reveal the difference it does amaze me that the difference in realities/awareness are so strong but not strong enough to repel?