Disabled child - intellectual disability

[Sylvia]

Hi,

now I will post my question in a good place! ;D

How can we help a child with a disability intelectuelle understand what is coming?

Does the handicapped children may be candidates for the 4th level of density?

To be a candidate for disabled children is that it is the evolution of the soul that is important?

Or, is it that a disabled child intelectuellement part of its evolution and he still has steps to the 3rd level of density?

What issues? This saddens me because I can not know how much my girl can understand all the way and the work we do? Maybe I worry about anything and I have to trust.

If as an example, the whole family can go but it can not follow us. She can not be alone! Oh my god I am troubled.

Or having a disabled child tells me that I have to stay in 3rd density level as it is part of my evolution and I have not yet completed on that level. I am very sad to face that possibility. :(

Thank you for allowing me to speak on this forum about my anxiety.

 

[MusicMan]

Hello Sylvia, I think you have raised an important question.
You undoubtedly have a very difficult situation, and that in itself is worth a hug.

A friend of ours has adopted an intellectually disabled boy, and she has raised him on her own since he was a baby.
He is now 18 years old and becoming quite a big fellow! However, he still has the intellect of a two year old, and I think that she has the qualities of a saint to be able to continue life like that with him. He is really no bother apart from feeding, cleaning etc. but I imagine it must be quite a work load.

I would like to know if the Cassiopaeans have any comment on whether these people, who are so innocent, will have a place in the fourth Density. The lessons they learn are so hard won.

Best Wishes.

 

[Drea]

Hi Sylvia, unfortunately I can't remember which session it was that discussed this but I recall the C's saying it is the soul that matters.
They mentioned that intellect helps but is not a requirement for graduation.
If anyone knows which session I'm referring to please let us know! Thanks.

 

[Adaryn]

Hi Sylvia,

This is a difficult question. Here's an excerpt from a session, which offers possible clues to your questioning - mainly that intellectual capacity (though important in order to understand certain concepts) is not necessarily linked to the emotional pathway/nature of being which determines a person's orientation or ability to 'graduate':

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,17617.0.html

Q: (L) There was a discussion the other day and it made me curious. It seems that some people simply do not have the capacity to understand certain concepts. Is this a function of vibrational frequency?

[…]

A: That is not quite hitting at the subject matter in the way in which you desire to answer the question. In other words, it is a parallel understanding pattern. It is not vibrational frequency that determines ability to conceive of any particular notion. Vibrational frequency involves the groove, or pattern, that one has chosen in general terms. But, to give you an example, there are those who are of very LOW, as you would measure, vibrational frequency, who are able to conceive of extremely complicated issues and have also discovered extremely precise, complicated, and intricate answers to very complex notions and problems from your standpoint in the illusion. But, the frequency vibrational level has more to do with the emotional path that leads either to Service to Self at its greatest possible expression, or Service to Others at its greatest possible expression, not with intellectual capacity. So it is possible for a completely STS individual at any density level to be completely cognizant of all existence, just as it is possible for a completely STO individual to be completely cognizant of all existence. It has nothing to do with vibrational frequency because that is the emotional pathway.

[…]

Q: (L) The reason I ask this is because I have noticed that certain persons can skew the incoming material in the direction of their particular prejudices because of their emotional attachment to these prejudices. And I am sure that my own prejudices have an influence as well. But, I notice that very often the understanding of the material by others is quite different from what Frank and I understand. It seems that we all hear something different. Does this indicate a vibrational differential which could be considered a lack of rapport, or some other phenomenon of which I am not aware?

A: The only phenomenon that is present here that is in any way related to the situation you describe is what could be termed intellectual capacity, which is not related directly to vibrational frequency.] Think, if you will, in your lifetime have you ever met either a) an individual that you did not perceive to be particularly intellectually developed, who was, nevertheless, of a very kind and loving and giving nature; or b)an individual whom you perceive to have great intellectual capacity who was, nevertheless, extremely selfish and non-giving and not generous and not concerned about anyone's well being but their own?[/b]
[…]

Q: (L) Yes. I know exactly what you mean. But there is still some gap that I am trying to fathom here. I have a little theory that people who are en rapport tend to think in similar ways or with similar patterns, even if at different levels. And I think that because of emotional similarity or identity of purpose or orientation, that they might almost begin to think as one mind or move as one body, to work as a unit. Why is this not happening? Why the disparity?

A: The real issue involved is one of intellectual capacity, which, in and of itself, can lead to all sorts of emotional entanglements and frictions. It does not require a differential in vibrational frequency level to produce the types of symptoms that you describe. It is merely intellectual capacity that is inferior rather than the vibrational frequency level. Again, this vibrational frequency level involves nature of being and emotion, not intelligence.

[…]

Q: (L) I have done a little bit of an assessment on the subject, Frank and I have discussed in all possible ways, and we cannot come up with any reason why persons who are exposed to correct grammar and syntax cannot just pick it up sort of by osmosis so that it is not so jarring to the ears of those who DO care about words and that they are pronounced and used correctly .

A: Intellectual capacity.

Q: (L) Well, it shouldn't take a whole lot of brains to hear what others are saying and to at least imitate it!

A: The greater the intellectual capacity, the greater the chance that each and every facet of intellect will be available for use, growth and stimulation. The lesser the intellectual capacity, the greater the chance that some will not be available. And, the examples you cite of the ability to learn proper grammar by mimicry or understand correct pronunciation and syntax, may merely be the closing off of that particular facet of intellectual capacity, rather than any vibrational frequency level differential. And, it is important for you to be aware of this so that you do not make subjective judgments of an individual or individuals, thinking that they are inferior in intent or desire as opposed to intellectual capacity. Granted that it is an irritant for you and others. But, one way to ease the irritation within yourself is to come to a true and complete understanding of the cause of the irritation. Once you have understood that, then it becomes less irritating. Especially if the cause is one which can be excused or forgiven.

 

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How can we help a child with a disability intelectuelle understand what is coming?

Does the handicapped children may be candidates for the 4th level of density?

To be a candidate for disabled children is that it is the evolution of the soul that is important?

Or, is it that a disabled child intelectuellement part of its evolution and he still has steps to the 3rd level of density?

What issues? This saddens me because I can not know how much my girl can understand all the way and the work we do? Maybe I worry about anything and I have to trust.

If as an example, the whole family can go but it can not follow us. She can not be alone! Oh my god I am troubled.

Or having a disabled child tells me that I have to stay in 3rd density level as it is part of my evolution and I have not yet completed on that level. I am very sad to face that possibility. :(
...

Hi Sylvia,

I can relate to your feelings since I had an intellectually disabled kid (now in his twenties).

Did you notice how these kids or people are usually full of love ?

That's why I don't worry about their soul evolution...

 

[Sylvia]

Hello Sylvia, I think you have raised an important question.
You undoubtedly have a very difficult situation, and that in itself is worth a hug.

A friend of ours has adopted an intellectually disabled boy, and she has raised him on her own since he was a baby.
He is now 18 years old and becoming quite a big fellow! However, he still has the intellect of a two year old, and I think that she has the qualities of a saint to be able to continue life like that with him. He is really no bother apart from feeding, cleaning etc. but I imagine it must be quite a work load.

I would like to know if the Cassiopaeans have any comment on whether these people, who are so innocent, will have a place in the fourth Density. The lessons they learn are so hard won.

Best Wishes.

Hi MusicMan,

I accept with pleasure your hug, I admit it felt good.

Indeed, having a child is totally dependent on you, which means that it is an extension of us and thereby we ensure their well-being and its evolution. And so, our concern is greater when we have children that are autonomous and can live their independent life.

To improve its self-confidence, improve their learning and help them become respectful person and limit behavior problems, I decided to offer him a better school life and I did homeschooling for my 3 children. She is now 20, she is not autonomous in their daily care and hygiene but appears to be a young girl very fulfilling and very sociable.

It is certain that my questions was rather focus on intellectual disabilities. And I am pleased that the C's have indeed raised the issue on intelectuelle capacity.

Thank you very much for your support! :)

Hi Sylvia, unfortunately I can't remember which session it was that discussed this but I recall the C's saying it is the soul that matters.
They mentioned that intellect helps but is not a requirement for graduation.
If anyone knows which session I'm referring to please let us know! Thanks.

Hello Drea,

Thank you very much and I'll read with joy the reference Adaryn that found in a session.

Tourlou! :D

 

[Sylvia]

Hi Sylvia,

This is a difficult question. Here's an excerpt from a session, which offers possible clues to your questioning - mainly that intellectual capacity (though important in order to understand certain concepts) is not necessarily linked to the emotional pathway/nature of being which determines a person's orientation or ability to 'graduate':

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,17617.0.html

Q: (L) There was a discussion the other day and it made me curious. It seems that some people simply do not have the capacity to understand certain concepts. Is this a function of vibrational frequency?

[…]

A: That is not quite hitting at the subject matter in the way in which you desire to answer the question. In other words, it is a parallel understanding pattern. It is not vibrational frequency that determines ability to conceive of any particular notion. Vibrational frequency involves the groove, or pattern, that one has chosen in general terms. But, to give you an example, there are those who are of very LOW, as you would measure, vibrational frequency, who are able to conceive of extremely complicated issues and have also discovered extremely precise, complicated, and intricate answers to very complex notions and problems from your standpoint in the illusion. But, the frequency vibrational level has more to do with the emotional path that leads either to Service to Self at its greatest possible expression, or Service to Others at its greatest possible expression, not with intellectual capacity. So it is possible for a completely STS individual at any density level to be completely cognizant of all existence, just as it is possible for a completely STO individual to be completely cognizant of all existence. It has nothing to do with vibrational frequency because that is the emotional pathway.

[…]

Q: (L) The reason I ask this is because I have noticed that certain persons can skew the incoming material in the direction of their particular prejudices because of their emotional attachment to these prejudices. And I am sure that my own prejudices have an influence as well. But, I notice that very often the understanding of the material by others is quite different from what Frank and I understand. It seems that we all hear something different. Does this indicate a vibrational differential which could be considered a lack of rapport, or some other phenomenon of which I am not aware?

A: The only phenomenon that is present here that is in any way related to the situation you describe is what could be termed intellectual capacity, which is not related directly to vibrational frequency.] Think, if you will, in your lifetime have you ever met either a) an individual that you did not perceive to be particularly intellectually developed, who was, nevertheless, of a very kind and loving and giving nature; or b)an individual whom you perceive to have great intellectual capacity who was, nevertheless, extremely selfish and non-giving and not generous and not concerned about anyone's well being but their own?[/b]
[…]

Q: (L) Yes. I know exactly what you mean. But there is still some gap that I am trying to fathom here. I have a little theory that people who are en rapport tend to think in similar ways or with similar patterns, even if at different levels. And I think that because of emotional similarity or identity of purpose or orientation, that they might almost begin to think as one mind or move as one body, to work as a unit. Why is this not happening? Why the disparity?

A: The real issue involved is one of intellectual capacity, which, in and of itself, can lead to all sorts of emotional entanglements and frictions. It does not require a differential in vibrational frequency level to produce the types of symptoms that you describe. It is merely intellectual capacity that is inferior rather than the vibrational frequency level. Again, this vibrational frequency level involves nature of being and emotion, not intelligence.

[…]

Q: (L) I have done a little bit of an assessment on the subject, Frank and I have discussed in all possible ways, and we cannot come up with any reason why persons who are exposed to correct grammar and syntax cannot just pick it up sort of by osmosis so that it is not so jarring to the ears of those who DO care about words and that they are pronounced and used correctly .

A: Intellectual capacity.

Q: (L) Well, it shouldn't take a whole lot of brains to hear what others are saying and to at least imitate it!

A: The greater the intellectual capacity, the greater the chance that each and every facet of intellect will be available for use, growth and stimulation. The lesser the intellectual capacity, the greater the chance that some will not be available. And, the examples you cite of the ability to learn proper grammar by mimicry or understand correct pronunciation and syntax, may merely be the closing off of that particular facet of intellectual capacity, rather than any vibrational frequency level differential. And, it is important for you to be aware of this so that you do not make subjective judgments of an individual or individuals, thinking that they are inferior in intent or desire as opposed to intellectual capacity. Granted that it is an irritant for you and others. But, one way to ease the irritation within yourself is to come to a true and complete understanding of the cause of the irritation. Once you have understood that, then it becomes less irritating. Especially if the cause is one which can be excused or forgiven.

Bonjour Adaryn,

Thank you very much to have found a reference on intelectual capacity.

I took my time to read what was said and understand my language. So if I understand correctly, the vibration frequency is the result of the emotional path of the person and that this vibration frequency is not related to intellectual capacity. This reassures me and helps me to understand that indeed the soul is a priority and then the ego / personality of the person also plays a role in emotional way (I guess?)

It is certain that a disabled child is a person very focused on their needs and interests but are very friendly and love to everyone without any malice toward others. However, for persons STS and STO, if I remember correctly, both can be candidates for the 4th level of density?

This is a very good lesson I learn !!!
Good day

 

[Sylvia]

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How can we help a child with a disability intelectuelle understand what is coming?

Does the handicapped children may be candidates for the 4th level of density?

To be a candidate for disabled children is that it is the evolution of the soul that is important?

Or, is it that a disabled child intelectuellement part of its evolution and he still has steps to the 3rd level of density?

What issues? This saddens me because I can not know how much my girl can understand all the way and the work we do? Maybe I worry about anything and I have to trust.

If as an example, the whole family can go but it can not follow us. She can not be alone! Oh my god I am troubled.

Or having a disabled child tells me that I have to stay in 3rd density level as it is part of my evolution and I have not yet completed on that level. I am very sad to face that possibility. :(
...

Hi Sylvia,

I can relate to your feelings since I had an intellectually disabled kid (now in his twenties).

Did you notice how these kids or people are usually full of love ?

That's why I don't worry about their soul evolution...

Hi Eos

in fact, they are very endearing person and like to have fun and give hugs to others. They have a lot of love.

Also attending other disabled people, I find that they are also people who ask to receive a lot of attention and love. So this requires a lot of energy that we need to give them but when we make a hug then this is a balm meet their requirements. And even when my daughter says "Thanks for everything you do for me" then I can tell you this is heartwarming.

Concerning children with disabilities I've always wondered if it was:
a) the souls that began in the 3rd density level and they must adapt to this new reality which causes a intelectuelle impairment and other disabilities
b) a karmic choices in alliance with the other people who live together in their lives
c) or a genetic mutation that is not well suited to our 3rd level density

Hum !!! still issues that will one day have the answers.

Thank you very much everyone, it's really nice to share with you. :D

 

[duyunne]

Hi Sylvia

My wife and I have a son who has autism, also he was diagnosed with a global delay in his development. Milestones suggest his mentality is that of a two year old as well, however he's only 5, much of this can change as we progress with his ongoing intervention as well as his experiences growing up.

I was concerned as you were for a time, but in recent months have taken it as a 'one day at a time' sort of thing. I believe that no matter what, I'll be there for him, whether he, my wife or myself have the FVR for cross over potential, his safety and well being is my responsibility and that's all I can do for him, to honor my role as his father.

If a decision has to be made lose out on the opportunity to advance in density in order to be there to serve my son responsibly, I would happily give up my opportunity. (but I don't think it works that way exactly, I'm just demonstrating my nature in that I'm not serving others for divine reward.)

Eventually, we all be together, my family and others, this group and even those who fell. I can't help but know this fundamental truth.

I hope this helps you take it day by day as well and that it settles in your heart that what was meant to happen will happen and it benefits everyone along 'the way,' eventually.

 

[Sylvia]

Hi Sylvia

My wife and I have a son who has autism, also he was diagnosed with a global delay in his development. Milestones suggest his mentality is that of a two year old as well, however he's only 5, much of this can change as we progress with his ongoing intervention as well as his experiences growing up.

I was concerned as you were for a time, but in recent months have taken it as a 'one day at a time' sort of thing. I believe that no matter what, I'll be there for him, whether he, my wife or myself have the FVR for cross over potential, his safety and well being is my responsibility and that's all I can do for him, to honor my role as his father.

If a decision has to be made lose out on the opportunity to advance in density in order to be there to serve my son responsibly, I would happily give up my opportunity. (but I don't think it works that way exactly, I'm just demonstrating my nature in that I'm not serving others for divine reward.)

Eventually, we all be together, my family and others, this group and even those who fell. I can't help but know this fundamental truth.

I hope this helps you take it day by day as well and that it settles in your heart that what was meant to happen will happen and it benefits everyone along 'the way,' eventually.

Hi zin,

I share your feelings and I also understand the responsibility we have to our children and those we love. Since being myself to stop working in order to be with my daughter disabilities to stimulate their learning to evolve more.

But when I read this comment and a quote C's:

I have been pondering who would be "worthy to rise", also worrying about my children and their families. So I was a bit anxious, nursing my worries by listening to Rossini's "Stabat Mater" - although I am not religious, this speaks of a mother grieving her son(s) and represents my worries about loss and separation between loving family members when the Wave happens.

I searched on the Forum and found Adaryn's post of 2006 on "worthiness to rise" and families separating: "The effect of the Wave/4th D transition on children ?" and Laura's reply:

Q: (L) How does one know that one is a 4 D candidate?

A: You gradually "awaken".

Q: (L) Are my children 4 D candidates? And my husband? You have to tell me this. If I have to deal with things, let me do it a little at a time.

A: You are not in correct frame of mind.

Q: (L) Well, that sounds ominous.

A: Wait for answer.

Q: (L) Wait until when?

A: You are ready.

Q: (L) So, in other words, some people may have to leave behind children or mates, or siblings or parents, is that
true?

A: If so, will be prepared.

Q: (L) Is there any way to tell if someone is a 4 D candidate?

A: Inquire of them.

Q: (L) And, will they know?

A: Yes, at some level. In a sense. Those who are chosen feel it. You will know.

Q: (L) Well, I happen to think that my family is extremely special.

A: So do all.

Q: (L) I have taken a great deal of time and care with spiritual matters. Is that because it was my obsession or
did they choose me because of this?

A: Open.

So I said to myself: maybe those who will receive the signal, it will be stronger than them, the call is beyond emotions towards our near and earthly attachments. I do not know, but it got me thinking about this possibility that some people will have to leave behind those they love.

That's why I felt I needed to share with you my concerns. In fact, I appreciated the responses of all who helped me a lot to think about and found answers.

However, I often say to my daughter: "One day at a time". Then I'll try to implement it. ;)

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[Sylvia]

Thanks! sorry my comment was inside the quote. So back again the end of my comment.

"So I said to myself: maybe those who will receive the signal, it will be stronger than them, the call is beyond emotions towards our near and earthly attachments. I do not know, but it got me thinking about this possibility that some people will have to leave behind those they love.

That's why I felt I needed to share with you my concerns. In fact, I appreciated the responses of all who helped me a lot to think about and found answers.

However, I often say to my daughter: "One day at a time". Then I'll try to implement it. ;)"