DNA warehoused from newborns in virtually all states

RyanX

The Living Force
This article is a little old and similar ones have already been discussed. Apparently just about all states have some process for warehousing newborn DNA and this is often done without proper parental consent. I recently discovered that an old college friend of mine is one of the families involved in the Minnesota lawsuit described in the article below. The basis for the lawsuit is that DNA was collected and stored from their newborn children without any parental consent.

This really should be concerning for a lot of people. The Nazis were able to do what they did merely with simple questionnaires. Having the full genetic profile of an individual would have been their wet dream.

Most parents would probably be disgusted at the idea of aborting their pregnancy or euthanizing their child if the results of their genetic tests came back less than stellar. Most normal people would care for any child of theirs no matter how sick. Often traits perceived as genetic weaknesses often bring about great strengths or talents in the same individual (think of all the blind musicians).

One thought I had was that eugenicists might use the combination of DNA warehousing in tandem with the current vaccination program. Perhaps it's possible that based on a person's genetic profile they might get one vaccine batch over another. Maybe the intent is to use vaccines as a form of "personalized medicine" or genetic therapy. Another possibility might just be to use vaccines to permanently cripple an individual viewed as "harmful" to society. Such an individual might be deemed to be predisposed to radical political views or something similar. The possibilities are really quite scary, although this is just speculation. I don't believe doctors are using certain vaccine batches to treat certain babies and other vaccines batches to treat others at the moment, but I could see this idea becoming accepted by the medical community as personalized medicine becomes popular.

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By Bob Unruh
WorldNetDaily

An organization that has been battling Minnesota state procedures in which DNA from every newborn is collected and warehoused says virtually all states do the same thing, and the alarming trend eventually could lead the United States back into eugenics.


The report from Twila Brase, president of the Citizens' Council on Health Care,says, "Throughout history, proponents of eugenics have focused on the reproduction of children, either through encouraging the 'healthy' to reproduce or discouraging the 'unhealthy' from procreation. This focus has been evidenced in history by 29 state sterilization laws … and the horrific Nazi campaign aimed at ridding Germany of the 'unfit' – the Jews, the physically deformed, the mentally retarded, the 'feebleminded,' the inferior, the epileptic, the deaf, the blind, 'those suffering from hereditary conditions,' the deviant 'asocial' and the politically dissident."

The report then continued, "That the focus on reproduction still exists today is more than troubling.

"The authors of a 2001 study 'were struck' by the large number of state government officials who agreed with a specific statement regarding assessment of a child's suitability for future reproduction," the report said. "Nineteen (54 percent) of 35 … respondents who routinely provide counseling – mostly newborn genetic screening follow-up staff at state health departments across the country – thought it important when giving advice to parents to 'identify children who might be, for genetic reasons, unsuitable choices for future reproduction,'" the report said.

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The concept of "identifying" those who would be "unsuitable" for reproduction is enough reason for parents to be alarmed, and people should start demanding fully informed consent requirements, Brase said.

"To protect every American's right to self-determination, genetic privacy, and DNA property rights, it is time to require informed written parent consent for all facets of the newborn genetic screening program, including storage and use of genetic test results and newborn DNA," Brase said.

She said most states do not require parental consent for newborn genetic testing now or for the government to keep the genetic results. Most states now keep DNA results for a period of time – some extending indefinitely.

"Most parents have no idea that government is doing the testing or retaining the data and DNA," the report said.

"It is important for policymakers to look beyond the current newborn screening programs which test infants for only 21 to 60-some rare genetic conditions. Supporters of newborn screening appear to be planning for full genomic scans on every baby at birth," warned Brase.

The organization's website posted a report from a new grandmother who documented the medical industry's insistence on taking that information, with or without permission.

In Minnesota, the CCHC has been battling the state Department of Health, which has been taking the DNA samples and warehousing but apparently not following "written consent requirements."

The anonymous new grandmother there wrote:

"My daughter signed a paper stating she did not want the PKU test done because of the DNA stealing (I was there when she did that). The nurse huffed out of the room saying that stuff doesn't happen. After my grandchild was born, a different nurse took the baby. My daughter her my granddaughter start crying. She found out her heel was getting pricked. My daughter became furious stating that she signed off on not getting the test. The nurse said there was nothing in her chart saying that. My daughter demanded the blood sample back. The nurse said they'd destroy it, but my daughter demanded it back and got it."

Brase's report warns the collection and assembly of DNA on an entire generation of citizens largely is unnoticed, but such newborn screening "represents the largest single application of genetic testing in medicine."

"Suppose … expanded screening of an infant reveals not a fatal and incurable disease but instead a host of genetic variants, each of which merely confers elevated risk for some condition or other," the report said. "Who is to say at what point an uncovered defect becomes serious enough to warrant preventing the birth of other children who might carry it? At what point have we crossed the line from legitimate family planning to capricious and morally dubious eugenics?"

The report said the concept that a population of people can be "improved" by eliminating those with any "defects" is relatively ignored these days. But, it said, "proponents are newborn genetic screening are moving toward eugenics – not away from it."

In the United States, it was in 1927 when the U.S. Supreme Court opined, from Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.'s pen, "It is better for all he world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes."

Even now, similar beliefs exist, the report said.

"Is it thus noteworthy that the government-funded Sickle Cell Trust in Jamaica is now providing fifth and sixth grade students with the results of their sickle cell tests on a laminated card with the hope that they will 'select partners with normal genes and avoid having a child with sickle-cell disease,'" the report said.

"Twenty states store newborn blood samples from one to 23 years," the report said. " With four million babies born each year and at least 10 states retaining newborn blood indefinitely, the repository of infant DNA is large and growing. The baby's DNA is considered state government property."

That's even though surveys show one quarter of parents are unwilling to allow the government to use infant DNA information for research even with parental permission, and more than 70 percent oppose it when parents did not give permission.

Within the last month, lawsuits have been filed in both Minnesota and Texas by parents objecting to government collection and use of infant DNA.

If such information was limited to the parents, and eventually the individual person, there probably would be few complications. But the report raises the concern that's not what would happen.

"Even the baby's potential for behavioral problems and political proclivities could become a part of the government's sequenced – and recorded – findings," it said.

"It is not hard to imagine the day when any discovered but non-symptomatic condition could become a 'pre-existing condition' for which private insurers would not pay. The eugenic implications are obvious. Thus, the growing collection of genetic test results and newborn DNA could easily enable a eugenics agenda on the part of government agencies and private industry," it said.

In an interview at the time the dispute over newborns' DNA in Minnesota was heating up, Brase said it's no longer just about diabetes, asthmas and cancer.

"It's also about behavioral issues," she said.

"In England they decided they should have doctors looking for problem children, and have those children reported, and their DNA taken in case they would become criminals," she said.

In fact, published reports in the U.K. note that senior police forensics experts believe genetic samples should be studied, because it may be possible to identify potential criminals as young as age 5.

"If we have a primary means of identifying people before they offend, then in the long-term the benefits of targeting younger people are extremely large," Gary Pugh, director of forensics at Scotland Yard, was quoted saying. "You could argue the younger the better. Criminologists say some people will grow out of crime; others won't. We have to find who are possibly going to be the biggest threat to society."

The U.K. database already has 4.5 million genetic samples and reportedly is the largest in Europe, but activists want to expand it. Pugh said that it is not possible right now to demand everyone provide a DNA sample but only because of the costs and logistics.

One published report cited the Institute for Public Policy Research, which is suggesting children from 5-12 in the U.K. be targeted with cognitive behavioral therapy, and Pugh has suggested adding the children in primary schools to the database, even if they have not offended.

"Not all research is great," Brase said. "There is research that is highly objectionable into the genetic propensities of an individual. Not all research should be hailed as wonderful initiatives."

The Heartland Regional Genetics and Newborn Screening is one of the organizations that advocates more screening and research.

It proclaims in its vision statement a desire to see newborns screened for 200 conditions. It also forecasts "every student … with an individual program for education based on confidential interpretation of their family medical history, their brain imaging, their genetic predictors of best learning methods…"

Further, every individual should share information about "personal and family health histories" as well as "gene tests for recessive conditions and drug metabolism" with the "other parent of their future children."

Still further, it seeks "ecogenetic research that could improve health, lessen disability, and lower costs for sickness."

"They want to test every child for 200 conditions, take the child's history and a brain image, and genetics, and come up with a plan for that child," Brase said. "They want to learn their weaknesses and defects.

"Nobody including and especially the government should be allowed to create such extensive profiles," she said.

The next step is obvious: The government, with information about potential health weaknesses, could say to couples, "We don't want your expensive children," Brase said.
 
Two weeks ago my baby was born, i am a happy father now, though in the other hand i am more concerned than never because the huge responsability to make the best decisions for the sake of the baby. One big problem until now, it has been the pressure from our families and even from some arrogant Doctors who scolded us for being so ignorants, they simply can believe that exist people who dares to doubt about the efficacy of their methods, they want to get the baby vaccined and to do the test screening. I have told them that we won´t do anything that we think are dangerous for the baby and that we will wait to make some decision until we have enough reliable information.

Right now i am investigating about the blood spot screening for newborn babies since i am not sure if it´s safe to do it. In practically all the sites that i have found it is mentioned the great benefits obtained from doing it, like detecting and preventing Phenylketonuria (PKU), Congenital hypothyroidism, Sickle cell disorders and Cystic fibrosis all of wich can cause serious damage, like mental retardation among other health problems. Nevertheless almost none gives reliable sources.

Still i don´t now what to think, and reading the article that Ryanx posted makes me trust even less in the methods used by the pediatricians and their real intentions.
At this moment i´m doing some research in Dr. Mercola´s site though i haven´t found any specific about the matter. I would apreciate very much any advice or suggestion.
Thanks. :)
 
Tykes said:
Right now i am investigating about the blood spot screening for newborn babies since i am not sure if it´s safe to do it. In practically all the sites that i have found it is mentioned the great benefits obtained from doing it, like detecting and preventing Phenylketonuria (PKU), Congenital hypothyroidism, Sickle cell disorders and Cystic fibrosis all of wich can cause serious damage, like mental retardation among other health problems. Nevertheless almost none gives reliable sources.

That is basically it. They are very rare diseases, but if diagnosed at an early stage, it can be life saving because treatment and/or diet prevents mental retardation and/or other problems. The negative thing is that the baby's heel must be pinched in order to have 4 drops of blood. The technique may depend upon country though.
 
Psyche said:
Tykes said:
Right now i am investigating about the blood spot screening for newborn babies since i am not sure if it´s safe to do it. In practically all the sites that i have found it is mentioned the great benefits obtained from doing it, like detecting and preventing Phenylketonuria (PKU), Congenital hypothyroidism, Sickle cell disorders and Cystic fibrosis all of wich can cause serious damage, like mental retardation among other health problems. Nevertheless almost none gives reliable sources.

That is basically it. They are very rare diseases, but if diagnosed at an early stage, it can be life saving because treatment and/or diet prevents mental retardation and/or other problems. The negative thing is that the baby's heel must be pinched in order to have 4 drops of blood. The technique may depend upon country though.

Thanks Psyche, it helps to know that. Do you know why the test it must be done in the first 5 days at mostof the newborn? this according to the articles i´ve read. I guess it is about effectiveness, my baby have 15 days today, is it a good time still to do the test?
 
Tykes said:
Two weeks ago my baby was born, i am a happy father now, though in the other hand i am more concerned than never because the huge responsability to make the best decisions for the sake of the baby. One big problem until now, it has been the pressure from our families and even from some arrogant Doctors who scolded us for being so ignorants, they simply can believe that exist people who dares to doubt about the efficacy of their methods, they want to get the baby vaccined and to do the test screening. I have told them that we won´t do anything that we think are dangerous for the baby and that we will wait to make some decision until we have enough reliable information.

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Tykes,

First, I want to say first congratulations on becoming a parent! :flowers:

I also want to say that I think you are doing the right thing by holding off on the vaccinations until you have reliable information about what you're injecting into your child. Doctors and sometimes family think this decision should be a no-brainer, but the dangers of vaccinations are real and a lot of times you won't see the danger until it is too late. I would be highly cautious about vaccinations at this age too. I wish I had done more to learn about vaccines when my children were first born. It wasn't until they were around 1 and 3 respectively that I started to question vaccines and decided to hold off on vaccinating them further. I can only say, I wish I had started learning about the dangers of vaccines sooner.

There's a book I read awhile back that talks about the risks of vaccinations in a non-confrontational way that I thought was really good:

http://www.amazon.com/Vaccinations-Thoughtful-Sensible-Decisions-Alternatives/dp/0892819316

I've read parts of it to family and friend who were skeptical about not vaccinating. You could even present it to your pediatrician too.

Speaking of pediatricians, from what I've been told (and this is word of mouth), there are some Clinics where doctors receive kick-back bonuses for high vaccination rates. You want to try and steer clear of these pediatricians and find one that will respect your right to make medical decisions based on your own knowledge. Just think of it as interviewing a contractor, you want to find the best person for the job - one that respects your rights and is there to offer input and advise, not authoritarian commands and judgments. Finding a doctor on your side will make your life much less stressful when you have to take your child into the well baby visits. These visits are stressful enough as it is!

Good luck! :)
 
Tykes said:
Thanks Psyche, it helps to know that. Do you know why the test it must be done in the first 5 days at mostof the newborn? this according to the articles i´ve read. I guess it is about effectiveness, my baby have 15 days today, is it a good time still to do the test?

It is done at such an early stage because the diseases are still not detectable and diagnosing them very early is a priority. Diet and/or treatment does makes a difference, and it can prevent abnormal development. After 2 weeks, there may be already clinical symptoms. But these diseases are really very rare. So the result should be all negative for disease :) , especially if there is no genetic predisposition.

I do believe there is still time, some tests are done at two weeks.
 
RyanX said:
Tykes said:
Two weeks ago my baby was born, i am a happy father now, though in the other hand i am more concerned than never because the huge responsability to make the best decisions for the sake of the baby. One big problem until now, it has been the pressure from our families and even from some arrogant Doctors who scolded us for being so ignorants, they simply can believe that exist people who dares to doubt about the efficacy of their methods, they want to get the baby vaccined and to do the test screening. I have told them that we won´t do anything that we think are dangerous for the baby and that we will wait to make some decision until we have enough reliable information.

<snip>

Tykes,

First, I want to say first congratulations on becoming a parent! :flowers:

I also want to say that I think you are doing the right thing by holding off on the vaccinations until you have reliable information about what you're injecting into your child. Doctors and sometimes family think this decision should be a no-brainer, but the dangers of vaccinations are real and a lot of times you won't see the danger until it is too late. I would be highly cautious about vaccinations at this age too. I wish I had done more to learn about vaccines when my children were first born. It wasn't until they were around 1 and 3 respectively that I started to question vaccines and decided to hold off on vaccinating them further. I can only say, I wish I had started learning about the dangers of vaccines sooner.

There's a book I read awhile back that talks about the risks of vaccinations in a non-confrontational way that I thought was really good:

http://www.amazon.com/Vaccinations-Thoughtful-Sensible-Decisions-Alternatives/dp/0892819316

I've read parts of it to family and friend who were skeptical about not vaccinating. You could even present it to your pediatrician too.

Speaking of pediatricians, from what I've been told (and this is word of mouth), there are some Clinics where doctors receive kick-back bonuses for high vaccination rates. You want to try and steer clear of these pediatricians and find one that will respect your right to make medical decisions based on your own knowledge. Just think of it as interviewing a contractor, you want to find the best person for the job - one that respects your rights and is there to offer input and advise, not authoritarian commands and judgments. Finding a doctor on your side will make your life much less stressful when you have to take your child into the well baby visits. These visits are stressful enough as it is!

Good luck! :)


Thank you very much Ryan for the recommendation of the Book and for the good wishes, i think it could help a lot to explain my reasons to some family members and maybe the Doctors.
You made an excellent suggestion, precisely i was thinking in testing different doctors until i find one that i can trust, i almost lost my nerve with a couple of them, their condescending attitude, and their scary blind faith in their medical methods. Sadly i see that several of them are doctors just because that´s the profession they choose when they have to do so, not for vocation but just the way they earn their money, not the right profile for a carreer like medicine i think, in which is needed a strong will to help others and to investigate everything related with health. Most of them never questioned the reliablility of their sources and methods and certainly that is awful.

And thanks again Psyche for the information, that clarifies some things, the test it is already program for this weekend. :)
 
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