Doctor Strange

Maybe it's just because it was the first trailer, but it seemed like it didn't reveal much in terms of plot. I think we have to as usual wait for the second or third trailer. I wonder how many actual esoteric things they will put in this one.
 
3D Student said:
Maybe it's just because it was the first trailer, but it seemed like it didn't reveal much in terms of plot. I think we have to as usual wait for the second or third trailer. I wonder how many actual esoteric things they will put in this one.
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I don't know how much esoteric stuff they'll introduce but Marvel will be introducing some new characters where their main abilities stem from 'magic' essentially. Dr Strange is the pinnacle of this but they also introduced the Scarlet Witch in the age of ultron, though they didn't do her justice. She's one of the most powerful characters in the Marvel Universe but you wouldn't have guessed that from the movie... Her powers extend to essentially being able to change timelines and the fabric of reality and consciousness.

Interesting times ahead for the Marvel Franchise.

PS: All this is building up to infinity wars which is the next avengers movie which will be a rather overcrowded movie in terms of characters...
 
It looks interesting but I don't know it is about it. :huh:
Is this movie based on a novel?
 
No loreta, he's based off of the "Doctor Strange" character that appears in Marvel Comics and/or Universe. He has his own comic series, but they're very recent; as of 2015. But he's been around since 1963.
 
The trailer looks good. Do you recommend just reading the graphic versions?
 
Yupo said:
The trailer looks good. Do you recommend just reading the graphic versions?
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They made a master works compendium of sorts here:

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1309614.Marvel_Masterworks

"This collection contains the first 33 Doctor Strange stories, originally published from 1963-1966. Strange was Marvel’s attempt to branch out from the world of superheroes to the world of the occult (although the two occasionally intersected)"
 
Just saw it this evening. It was not bad, with a lot of special effects, reminding Inception sometimes or other movies like Dark City...
But maybe it was too much oriented for the "general public", introducing things like astral projection and shamanic-like and masonic-like symbolism everywhere, mixed with a lot of sequences of humor to lighten up all the fighting.
All of those concepts mixed up together, with some kind of "white brotherhood" at the top, were quite... strange.
 
jsf said:
Just saw it this evening. It was not bad, with a lot of special effects, reminding Inception sometimes or other movies like Dark City...
But maybe it was too much oriented for the "general public", introducing things like astral projection and shamanic-like and masonic-like symbolism everywhere, mixed with a lot of sequences of humor to lighten up all the fighting.
All of those concepts mixed up together, with some kind of "white brotherhood" at the top, were quite... strange.
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And undoubtedly very misleading. Can't forget that Vinnie Bridges saw himself as "Dr. Strange" so the whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
 
The movie was pretty good despite the occult focus.

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I liked the solution to the dire ending.
Dr. Strange broke the rules of nature by messing with time. It's supposedly taboo there, but even his master was borrowing time to be semi-immortal from the dark dimension, so really it goes with the saying that good and evil is not really that clear cut and sometimes you need to break some eggs to make an omelet :)

Dr. Strange made a time loop, sacrificing himself in the process in order to lock up Dormammu from being able to destroy/control Earth.
The first 100? of times he gets destroyed by Dormammu only to return again asking to negotiate.
Eventually after all of that pain and suffering Dr. Strange goes though, Dormammu gets bored and tired of smashing him. They come up to an agreement for his shadow world to leave and not come back to Earth.

In this case the manipulation of time was not used for personal gain or immortality as the dark do, but to create a change from the "inevitable" which would be Dormammu taking Earth as part of his shadow realm.

The time loop idea makes me think of the idea of Wanderers, who were 6d, yet decided to suffer and almost be destroyed in order to help. I never really understood why, and that's the confusion regarding time loops and the grandfather paradox, but who knows how it looks like if/when we are outside of linear time?
 
It lacked insight, I thought.

The villains' prime motivation was the gaining of eternal life. They lived in fear of "time", considered death the ultimate insult. Even the great and good master had been sucked into playing that game.

One would think if you're at the level where you can move between worlds and spin energy into whatever form you desire that the basic fundamental principles of reality would have been recognized as a matter of course. The body is temporary. It's the soul that matters.

This film was just more materialist, linear thinking which had nothing useful to offer to anybody with a clue. I found it boring and pointless.

Also.., I was similarly left with a bad taste in my mouth due to the casting of Cumberbatch after his hugely popular portrayal of Sherlock as the 'good psychopath'. It was irritating to have people dictate to me what psychopathy was and get it all wrong based on negative TV programming.
 
Turns out Marvel had a physicist consult with them on how it could possibly be "science".
He seems pretty open to questioning what exactly is consciousness-not just gears turning in our brains, haha.

https://www.inverse.com/article/21937-doctor-strange-consultant-adam-frank

Compared to [the DC movies], they’ve imagined there’s a science at work. You know, Tony Stark and what he can do with the devices he builds and the idea that Thor, the inhabitants of Asgard, are actually aliens, magic … a number of times they’ve used that Arthur C. Clarke quote: “Any advance of technology looks like magic to other people.”
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When it comes to the laws of physics, we’ve pretty much got those nailed down and you can take those all the way to the frontiers of physics. In the Thor movies, there’s the Einstein-Rosen Bridge, so the rainbow way or whatever it’s called is actually a wormhole. In Ant-Man, they brought in quantum mechanics. And the great thing about Marvel is they use those devices — they’re good enough about their science — as twists in the story to be able to make the story move along.

Consciousness is not like that. We don’t really have a handle on what consciousness is. We don’t have a scientific, materialist, reductionist account for consciousness yet. Maybe we will have one, but it’s also entirely possible that we will not have one and we will need to add other things to have a proper science of consciousness.

A noted philosopher, David Chalmers, came up with the idea of the “hard problem” in the 1990s. He was trying to explain how neuroscience has made interesting progress on things like vision — how does vision actually work, how do you represent something from visual input, which part of the brain is active. For him, the hard problem was how to account for the personal vividness of experience. Even if I wrote an equation down for it — if I wrote an equation down for you eating an apple — that would be very different from your experience of eating the apple.
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It’s more than that. I think you can go much further and say, where does consciousness really live? It’s not just the mechanics of perception, it’s what is consciousness tapping into? What is consciousness part of? The typical materialist account of consciousness is you’re just your neurons. That’s it, end of story. You’re just the equivalent of a bunch of little springs and balls in your brain moving back and forth, or gears. For many years, people imagined that you could think of consciousness as just being the effect of the clockwork in your head. But people have always been pointing out the problems with that idea.
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Woodsman said:
It lacked insight, I thought.

The villains' prime motivation was the gaining of eternal life. They lived in fear of "time", considered death the ultimate insult. Even the great and good master had been sucked into playing that game.

One would think if you're at the level where you can move between worlds and spin energy into whatever form you desire that the basic fundamental principles of reality would have been recognized as a matter of course. The body is temporary. It's the soul that matters.

This film was just more materialist, linear thinking which had nothing useful to offer to anybody with a clue. I found it boring and pointless.
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I watched the movie. For me it's OK movie for entertainment. Those symbols with power reminded me of Robert Bruce's books where he wrote of symbols like davids' star to fight energy forms etc. Opening portals with focus, moving in different realities might have taken from Castenada's concepts. Having long life for perfecting life's purpose is not a new concept, but the Doctor strange's tactic of harassing (with repeated coming back from death) dark dimension lord Dormammu to force him to leave the planet is sounded silly. I liked those rolling building scenes. Drama, acting and making of the movie is in par with current day standards.
 
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