Documentary: In Search of the Perfect Human Diet

Mmm I'm going to try find the documentary online, and put it on fb, I guess people is more prone to watch it.

Another thing, I'm not well documented about the diet, so I don't know if there is any article that talks about, why fruit isn't that healthy? I knew about sugar and carbohydrates, and fructose, but I still don't know why fruits are not healthy.
 
Prometeo said:
Mmm I'm going to try find the documentary online, and put it on fb, I guess people is more prone to watch it.

Another thing, I'm not well documented about the diet, so I don't know if there is any article that talks about, why fruit isn't that healthy? I knew about sugar and carbohydrates, and fructose, but I still don't know why fruits are not healthy.

Because of sugar, carbohydrates and fructose. Simple.
 
Prometeo said:
Another thing, I'm not well documented about the diet, so I don't know if there is any article that talks about, why fruit isn't that healthy? I knew about sugar and carbohydrates, and fructose, but I still don't know why fruits are not healthy.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but as I understand it, Fructose means Fruit Sugar. So what is naturally in fruits is a lot of fructose...
I'm a little confused because you said you know about fructose...
 
Nuke said:
Prometeo said:
Another thing, I'm not well documented about the diet, so I don't know if there is any article that talks about, why fruit isn't that healthy? I knew about sugar and carbohydrates, and fructose, but I still don't know why fruits are not healthy.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but as I understand it, Fructose means Fruit Sugar. So what is naturally in fruits is a lot of fructose...
I'm a little confused because you said you know about fructose...

Yeah, I meant that I read about it in a SOTT article. Thing is that when people ask me about fruits, I can't easily explain just focusing in the fructose, but I think I'll need to explain the whole carbo thing.
 
Prometeo said:
Yeah, I meant that I read about it in a SOTT article. Thing is that when people ask me about fruits, I can't easily explain just focusing in the fructose, but I think I'll need to explain the whole carbo thing.

Oh, yeah, I can relate. That happened to me many times also as that's one of the first things they ask when they see what I eat. 'What? You only eat meat? every day? What about Fruit???"

It gets annoying after a while. Now I just tend to say 'No, I don't like fruit' or something of the sort, just so they leave me alone.

Anytime I tried to explain anything in the beginning - because they asked - I only got a defensive response and from that point on, they just label anything that comes from me - or would - as BS just because they can't fathom the facts about fructose. Or sugar in general. Or fat...

But one thing I still point out to them when they ask about my 'meat diet' is that it's not about meat, it's about fat. Protein is only secondary - At this point they usually walk away -
so at least they hear that from someone.
And if some day they come across an article that points out why fat is good or maybe they'll do a search on fat being good and look at the evidence, they might have a chance of doing some thinking.
but maybe this is just wishful thinking so fwiw.
 
Nuke said:
Oh, yeah, I can relate. That happened to me many times also as that's one of the first things they ask when they see what I eat. 'What? You only eat meat? every day? What about Fruit???"

It gets annoying after a while. Now I just tend to say 'No, I don't like fruit' or something of the sort, just so they leave me alone.

I get the same responses many times, even from people who are quite open to the concept of a keto/paleo diet. Now I oftentimes just say "yeah, I eat fruit and vegetables, but only in small amounts and not the carby/very sweet ones" - this usually works and I can then emphasize the main point: that it's all about changing one's energy source from sugar/carbs to fat/protein. This concept is so well documented and easy to grasp that those who are open at all to changing their diets usually get interested - or that's my limited experience at least.

Btw., Nuke, thanks for sharing this video in another thread:

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxhNMzIzs3M

It doesn't get more mainstream than that and I thought it's surprisingly well done, at least it forever demolishes the "you need carbs"-argument I often hear from people. And it's short and on point.
 
Here is the WAPF review of "In Search of ..." from the latest journal FWIW

In Search of the Perfect Human Diet by CJ Hunt
Written by Tim Boyd
Tuesday, 11 December 2012 20:02
In Search of the Perfect Human Diet
Written and directed by CJ Hunt
Hunt Thompson Media, LLC

We are inundated with contradictory information about nutrition. The cacophony of claptrap is occasionally clarified with insightful newsflashes like this one from ABC News: Americans are fat. David Getoff, vice president of Price-Pottenger Nutrition Foundation, is one of the first experts to appear in this film. He explains that the facts aren’t changing but we are confused because what the media want us to believe as fact keeps changing. Most believe that nutrition has something to do with obesity but there is little agreement beyond that.

Anyone who has worked in some way with nutrition will understand when Barry Sears, PhD, says that it is an emotionally charged issue. Religion, politics and nutrition are belief systems, and people often don’t respond well to challenges to these systems. They put a lot of work into fortressing those beliefs so when you come along with some offensive fact that upsets that system, you will incur some hostility.

Getoff briefly explains how Weston Price studied the health results of traditional cultures that had been following their diet and lifestyle for thousands of years and remained healthy. When a modern study covering six months or even ten years appears to contradict what Weston Price saw, which one do you suppose is correct? Because the world is very different today it is almost impossible to duplicate Price’s work exactly but a professor in Australia confirmed some of it with a group of Aborigines who grew up on their traditional diet. They were healthy up to that point, then moved into civilization, gained weight and developed other related health problems. When she observed them return to the outback and the old ways, they lost weight and their health issues were resolved. Their traditional diet was 64 percent animal-based and they were less active in the bush than in the city. That clashes with a lot of belief systems. Jay Wortman, MD, has seen similar results with First Nation peoples in Canada.

We are next treated to the vegetarian view. We hear Joel Fuhrman, MD, claim that not only should we eat more fruits and vegetables but ought to make those foods the foundation of our diet. Alan Goldhamer, DC, says the mistake vegetarians make is trying to make up for the lack of meat in the diet. He wants us to just get rid of the meat, period. The creator of soy jerky says that anatomically we are herbivores. I’m not sure whose anatomy he is looking at, but I don’t have multiple stomachs nor do I have the intestinal capacity of a gorilla.

Michael Eades, MD, points out that we can only get vitamin B12 from animal foods and that fact alone does irreparable damage to the theory that we are naturally pure vegans. A series of other experts reinforces the need for animal-based nutrition, including Sally Fallon Morell. She points out that the Framingham study has been used to promote margarine and other foods that don’t contain saturated fat. What the study really showed was that those who ate the most saturated fat, cholesterol and calories weighed the least, had lower levels of serum cholesterol, and were more physically active.

USDA guidelines are decided mostly by politics and politicians, not science. Eades analyzed the feed used by factory farms or feedlots to fatten up their cattle and pigs and found it almost exactly matches what the USDA food pyramid recommends for the optimum human diet. Are we being fattened up for the slaughter?

More evidence that we are not adapted to a rabbit diet comes from archaeological and anthropological studies. Many thousands of years ago humans moved far enough north that only animal food would be available for large parts of the year. They have not found any evidence that they had produce trucked up from the south at that time. Professor Mike Richards has done extensive bone analysis to determine what the original owners of those bones ate. He has found no vegans until recently. There were a few cases where they thought they found an exception but later discovered they accidentally got a cow bone mixed in with the human bones. How that could happen, I’m not sure, but if some people think we anatomically look like herbivores, I suppose that would be an easy mistake to make.

A wide range of experts was interviewed in this movie and so, as you might expect, even those who are on the same side of the issue do not agree on every detail. One detail everyone might agree on is made by Getoff toward the end of the film. A healthy diet may not be convenient but an unhealthy diet will lead to even more inconvenience. The big picture message does agree with my thumb, which is UP for this movie.



This article appeared in Wise Traditions in Food, Farming and the Healing Arts, the quarterly magazine of the Weston A. Price Foundation, Fall 2012.
 
LQB said:
Here is the WAPF review of "In Search of ..." from the latest journal FWIW

In Search of the Perfect Human Diet by CJ Hunt
Written by Tim Boyd
Tuesday, 11 December 2012 20:02
In Search of the Perfect Human Diet
Written and directed by CJ Hunt
Hunt Thompson Media, LLC

We are inundated with contradictory information about nutrition. The cacophony of claptrap is occasionally clarified with insightful newsflashes like this one from ABC News: Americans are fat. David Getoff, vice president of Price-Pottenger Nutrition Foundation, is one of the first experts to appear in this film. He explains that the facts aren’t changing but we are confused because what the media want us to believe as fact keeps changing. Most believe that nutrition has something to do with obesity but there is little agreement beyond that.

Anyone who has worked in some way with nutrition will understand when Barry Sears, PhD, says that it is an emotionally charged issue. Religion, politics and nutrition are belief systems, and people often don’t respond well to challenges to these systems. They put a lot of work into fortressing those beliefs so when you come along with some offensive fact that upsets that system, you will incur some hostility.[/b]

Getoff briefly explains how Weston Price studied the health results of traditional cultures that had been following their diet and lifestyle for thousands of years and remained healthy. When a modern study covering six months or even ten years appears to contradict what Weston Price saw, which one do you suppose is correct? Because the world is very different today it is almost impossible to duplicate Price’s work exactly but a professor in Australia confirmed some of it with a group of Aborigines who grew up on their traditional diet. They were healthy up to that point, then moved into civilization, gained weight and developed other related health problems. When she observed them return to the outback and the old ways, they lost weight and their health issues were resolved. Their traditional diet was 64 percent animal-based and they were less active in the bush than in the city. That clashes with a lot of belief systems. Jay Wortman, MD, has seen similar results with First Nation peoples in Canada.

We are next treated to the vegetarian view. We hear Joel Fuhrman, MD, claim that not only should we eat more fruits and vegetables but ought to make those foods the foundation of our diet. Alan Goldhamer, DC, says the mistake vegetarians make is trying to make up for the lack of meat in the diet. He wants us to just get rid of the meat, period. The creator of soy jerky says that anatomically we are herbivores. I’m not sure whose anatomy he is looking at, but I don’t have multiple stomachs nor do I have the intestinal capacity of a gorilla.

Michael Eades, MD, points out that we can only get vitamin B12 from animal foods and that fact alone does irreparable damage to the theory that we are naturally pure vegans. A series of other experts reinforces the need for animal-based nutrition, including Sally Fallon Morell. She points out that the Framingham study has been used to promote margarine and other foods that don’t contain saturated fat. What the study really showed was that those who ate the most saturated fat, cholesterol and calories weighed the least, had lower levels of serum cholesterol, and were more physically active.

USDA guidelines are decided mostly by politics and politicians, not science. Eades analyzed the feed used by factory farms or feedlots to fatten up their cattle and pigs and found it almost exactly matches what the USDA food pyramid recommends for the optimum human diet. Are we being fattened up for the slaughter?

More evidence that we are not adapted to a rabbit diet comes from archaeological and anthropological studies. Many thousands of years ago humans moved far enough north that only animal food would be available for large parts of the year. They have not found any evidence that they had produce trucked up from the south at that time. Professor Mike Richards has done extensive bone analysis to determine what the original owners of those bones ate. He has found no vegans until recently. There were a few cases where they thought they found an exception but later discovered they accidentally got a cow bone mixed in with the human bones. How that could happen, I’m not sure, but if some people think we anatomically look like herbivores, I suppose that would be an easy mistake to make.

A wide range of experts was interviewed in this movie and so, as you might expect, even those who are on the same side of the issue do not agree on every detail. One detail everyone might agree on is made by Getoff toward the end of the film. A healthy diet may not be convenient but an unhealthy diet will lead to even more inconvenience. The big picture message does agree with my thumb, which is UP for this movie.



This article appeared in Wise Traditions in Food, Farming and the Healing Arts, the quarterly magazine of the Weston A. Price Foundation, Fall 2012.

Great stuff. And approximately a year on...

_http://blog.seattlepi.com/timigustafsonrd/2013/11/23/no-such-thing-as-a-natural-diet-for-humans-scientists-say/


Timi Gustafson RD

No Such Thing as a “Natural Diet” for Humans, Scientists Say
Saturday, November 23, 2013 by:Timi Gustafson RD

Diet plans like to make all sorts of claims in terms of their effectiveness for weight loss and better health. Most emphasize certain food groups while eliminating others. Almost all assert their guidelines work best because they reflect how we should eat.

One of the regimens that has been growing in popularity in recent years is called the paleo diet, a.k.a. the caveman-, stone age-, or warrior diet. Its premise is that we ought to return to the eating styles of our ancestors from way back – because it’s more in keeping with our genetic makeup.

The underlying theory is that civilization has corrupted our food supply through unsound food production and manipulation, which has lead to the onslaught of diet-related illnesses like obesity, diabetes and heart disease we are facing today. The only way out of this misery, proponents say, is to mimic the eating behavior that once ensured the survival of our species for many thousand years.

For humans, ancient or modern, the paleo diet is the optimum diet, says Dr. Loren Cordain, a professor in the health department of Colorado State University and author of “The Paleo Diet,” who calls himself the “world’s foremost authority on the evolutionary basis of diet and disease.”

Genetically we have not been able to adapt to our modern food choices, i.e. the so-called Western diet, which is largely based on processed foods and laden with fat, salt and sugar, he says. Consequently, we are now plagued with diseases that are caused by our acting against our nature.

The solution would be to dispense with most, if not all, man-made foods, especially carbohydrates and dairy products. Instead, followers are encouraged to eat meats, seafood (wild caught) as well as certain vegetables and fruits, as long as they can be found in their original, unmodified state. Intermittent fasting is also recommended.

Some nutrition experts and biologists, however, are skeptical of these restrictions.

The paleo diet is basically a fantasy, according to Dr. Marlene Zuk, a professor of ecology, evolution and behavioral science at the University of Michigan, who gave an interview on the subject to the German news magazine Der Spiegel.

“Its supporters assume that, at a certain point in time, our ancestors were perfectly adapted to their environment. But those conditions presumably never existed,” she said.

Other scientists agree.

“Scientists find it appalling that a number of proponents of the supposed stone-age diet claim to be knowledgeable about a period of time that lasted around 2.5 million years and ended in about 8,000 B.C.,” said Dr. Alexander Ströhle, a nutrition physiologist at the University of Hannover, Germany. “On the whole, the feeding behavior of prehistoric man […] was very flexible.”

Besides that, “our modern food products are well removed from their wild ancestors. They have been extremely modified and, as a result, are more calorie-rich, easier to ship, or simply better-tasting than the original. So, even if we wanted to, we couldn’t live exactly the way our ancestors did,” said Dr. Zuk.

As far as the health benefits of the paleo diet are concerned, they are so far undetermined. Some studies have linked the regimen to reducing blood pressure, LDL (bad) cholesterol, and triglycerides (a fatty substance in the arteries that can increase the risk of heart disease and stroke). But the strong emphasis on eating meat, including red meat, has its own well-known disadvantages. Also, followers of vegetarian eating styles (for religious, cultural or other reasons) will not easily be able to adhere to this diet.

That doesn’t mean there are no benefits to be had from the paleo diet. For those who are interested, there are plenty of food guides available on the Internet, like the Ultimate Paleo Guide, to name just one. More importantly, however, dieters should still focus on the healthiest food choices, no matter what philosophy appeals to them.

I tell you, mid-way through that I couldn't even bold the other stuff 'cause I had to read it again. Seems that keto doesn't exist to the "world's foremost authority" guy. Paleolithic as the optimum?! It's funny how focus was on obesity, diabetes and heart disease, & nothing of the many psychological links. I suppose that it wouldn't jibe with the "followers of vegetarian eating styles (for religious, cultural or other reasons) will not easily be able to adhere to this diet" part. The same as the bolded part in the post above about emotional belief systems.
 
Well, there are a few facts that are generally not disputed. Humans lived most of the time during ice ages. In those parts where there was ice cover, there was nothing much to eat except the animals that were hunted and fish (where available). Agriculture started around 10,000 years ago. Most bone experts will be able to tell you if skeletal remains are from hunter-gathers or agricultural societies by examining the teeth and health of the bones. Hunter-gathers had perfect teeth and very strong, healthy bones in general. And not because they brushed and flossed several times a day. Those from agricultural groups, on the other hand, have lots of cavities, small, not fully developed jaw bones that result in crooked teeth that are pushed together when the wisdom teeth (try) to come out, have weak/diseased bones and are smaller in size, including their skulls (reflecting the reduction in average brain size).

In a few generations after the beginnings of agriculture, the health and physical stature of humans plummeted, as well as a reduction in average brain size as compared to the hunter-gather groups. Even the hunter-gather societies that survived into modern times had all these remarkable features and were completely free from the modern chronic diseases.

Add to that the concrete results from the many, many people who've experimented with the Paleo diet (primarily eliminating grains and dairy) and the Ketogenic diet (reducing carbohydrates to below 40 to 50 net grams per day and increasing animal fat to around 70 to 85% of daily calories along with moderate protein) and the remarkable health improvements of all kinds and steady energy and mood, AND remarkable ability to concentrate for long periods of time, and I think we have enough data to make up our own minds about this issue. We are basing it all on REAL science and the the totally corrupted mainstream crap that is widely promoted. And if someone really wants to find out for themselves, there's plenty of information on this forum, on SOTT, AND on the internet in general to get started on uncovering what the real story is.

It's telling that the things I listed above are generally accepted and not disputed, yet they make those arguments in the article to muddy the waters.
 
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