DOLPHINS HAVE BEEN CAUGHT GOING ON WHALE RIDES

[Deleted member 11729]

This morning I came across this article about the game play between whales and dolphins .. so incredible - here is the link on the article and photos:

http://www.techly.com.au/2015/05/13/dolphins-caught-going-whale-rides-hawaii-yep-thats-exactly-sounds-like/

And watching the photos I just start thinking, is it maybe possible that it is 3D STO advancement already taking part at some of the animals, special mammals? Is there any observation on that part from C's, or some other research?

thank you

 

[MusicMan]

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I remember the C's comment that the cetaceans communicate telepthically.
Perhaps whales have pets, just like humans do.

 

[Deleted member 11729]

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Perhaps whales have pets, just like humans do.

:) sounds incredible, but I am not sure that is like human pets, I guess they must be on a same conscious level, than it will not be like pates, more like friends ...

Also what came to my mind is that maybe thanks to the Wave approaching, they already amplified there ability to grow to the next level to 3D STO. In other words they still have shape of animal, but their soul is already closer to human 3D that tends to be 4D STO candidate, or maybe even already manifesting in 4D STO, if I expressed my self right?

 

[MusicMan]

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I guess we will never know, unless we also become telepathic.
Even a whale would have to put someone/something on the step behind them to progress from STS to STO candidate.
It's all conjecture at this point.

 

[Paragon]

Re: DOLPHINS HAVE BEEN CAUGHT GOING ON WHALE RIDES - is it maybe 3D STO manifesting?

On this subject of 2D having fun, I have a story about Manta Rays, my favourite marine animal ( or one of them at least ;D )

We were on a deep training dive with our student, at a dive site famous for it's sightings of Manta Rays, due to the shallow (for them) topography allowing for the cleaning of parasites from their bodies by smaller fish. The main objective of the dive was mainly to test our student for gas narcosis, which is basically when one gets 'drunk' underwater due to the increased levels of nitrogen in the body from the pressure of the water above. It affects everyone differently, even from day to day, and one can also even build up a tolerance to it, but we do it to show the symptoms of it coming on and what to do about it when it happens. The other objective was to see some Manta Rays!

Anyhow, we are finning along, near the end of the dive, 40 minutes in, when our students air is approaching the 'turn back' point, so we head back to where we came in. The visibility was poor that day, probably owing to changes in current and the phase of the moon etc, so we could only see about 5-7 meters when it's usually 10+. We are nearly at our entry point and somewhat mulling over the disappointment of no sightings when I get the strangest feeling, that something big was behind me. It was like an electric feeling, a kind of 'tingle' actually. So I instinctively turn around and BAM, out of the darkness behind me was a Manta Ray. It came swooping in, and glided past me so gracefully it was magical. Then literally like something out of an epic fantasy movie, 3, 4, 5, 6, SEVEN Manta Rays came flying past and actually started to circle around us. They were moving around us in a slow, ascending circle. This specific scene went on for around a whole 60 seconds. I honestly could not believe that this kind of interaction between man and animal was possible. It was like something out of a movie, honestly. Amazingly, they then started to play 'chicken' with each other and us! They would power towards us and at the last minute, break off and play with the other Manta Rays in their group. The precision of their manoeuvres were so precise to not bump into us, that I was so sure that they were intelligent creatures and wholly not understood by man. Eventually they had to go and went back to where they came from and we were left with memories that we would never forget.

To me, it was interesting that feeling I had about something behind me, it reminded me of Rupert Sheldrake's work, namely the feeling of being stared at. It's easy to see that it would be an evolutionary advantage to have such senses. Also, the playfulness, and the intelligence I actually FELT from the creatures was very interesting too. I felt that they were communicating with us in their own way, it's hard to put into words actually. When you see such things on documentaries on TV for example, you miss the experience of actually being there and 'feeling' the other creature with your being. It's incredible.

Anyway, just thought I'd share that. It seems that there is much we still don't understand about 2D :)

 

[Laura]

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Why is it conceivably STO for dolphins to ride on whales? Can we get some logic in here?

 

[Deleted member 11729]

Re: DOLPHINS HAVE BEEN CAUGHT GOING ON WHALE RIDES - is it maybe 3D STO manifesting?

Why is it conceivably STO for dolphins to ride on whales? Can we get some logic in here?

Actually I don't know, I came to ask is it possible for animals to progress into that direction. How I can remember from reading The Wave series there was some explanation that animals in this intensive times, can progress to be very close to visible 3D progress while alive, if I understood that correctly?

So If I understood right, what you asking is why I think that this particular behavior will be sing of STO orientation? If so than my answer will be - It is totally impossible for me to give answer from one article and few photographs, that is why I was asking if something like that can be the manifestioan of 4D STO candidate amongst animals.

And if I understood that you asking me why I even thought about that possibility according to this activities, than I will say - it is because I recognize something honest and givnig for others in that manifestation of playful and honest participation, in this little game play from both sides, what also possibly affecting the other relations in there life in ocean. Somehow that reminds me on the analogy of us at the beginning of learning. For example let's compare it with this Forum, You as a whale who actually build this school for us, and we as a playfull dolphins coming here to learn and play and grow, and even to get on "your back" with all our clumsy wondering around, to enjoy the ride, as you will be kind to us to serve us, even if we "jump on your back" in that clumsiness, as long as we came to learn and understand and grow togeather.

But sure, as I said I can't have any other, than playfull answer, as this is my first knowledge of such a behavior, and I came here to ask more explanation, as I found it to be trustable for me for many other things I was asking, I found the most appropriate answers here.

 

[Laura]

Re: DOLPHINS HAVE BEEN CAUGHT GOING ON WHALE RIDES - is it maybe 3D STO manifesting?

Why is it conceivably STO for dolphins to ride on whales? Can we get some logic in here?

Actually I don't know, I came to ask is it possible for animals to progress into that direction. How I can remember from reading The Wave series there was some explanation that animals in this intensive times, can progress to be very close to visible 3D progress while alive, if I understood that correctly?

3d is simply a whole other cycle of STS. Moving to 3D isn't "going toward STO", it is moving toward the possibility of a choice/manifestation of intrinsic nature.

So If I understood right, what you asking is why I think that this particular behavior will be sing of STO orientation? If so than my answer will be - It is totally impossible for me to give answer from one article and few photographs, that is why I was asking if something like that can be the manifestioan of 4D STO candidate amongst animals.

How could a 2nd density being become a 4D candidate?

And if I understood that you asking me why I even thought about that possibility according to this activities, than I will say - it is because I recognize something honest and givnig for others in that manifestation of playful and honest participation, in this little game play from both sides, what also possibly affecting the other relations in there life in ocean. Somehow that reminds me on the analogy of us at the beginning of learning. For example let's compare it with this Forum, You as a whale who actually build this school for us, and we as a playfull dolphins coming here to learn and play and grow, and even to get on "your back" with all our clumsy wondering around, to enjoy the ride, as you will be kind to us to serve us, even if we "jump on your back" in that clumsiness, as long as we came to learn and understand and grow togeather.

But sure, as I said I can't have any other, than playfull answer, as this is my first knowledge of such a behavior, and I came here to ask more explanation, as I found it to be trustable for me for many other things I was asking, I found the most appropriate answers here.

Playing isn't STO. It also isn't necessarily "honest and giving." The cat very much enjoys playing with the mouse before eating it.

You are comparing apples to oranges.

 

[Deleted member 11729]

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Thank you for explaining your thoughts.

So if I understood right, it is not possible for the animal like dolphin, wale, dog or cat, to be 3D any how? IF that is the case, than your explanation makes sense. But if that is not the case, than a lot more can be investigate and discovered in that part in animal life?

Playing isn't STO. It also isn't necessarily "honest and giving." The cat very much enjoys playing with the mouse before eating it.

You are comparing apples to oranges.

If I understood this right than mouse and cat are at the same level of consciousness like whale and dolphin, so folowing that analogy, whale and mouse are the same?

 

[Laura]

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Thank you for explaining your thoughts.

So if I understood right, it is not possible for the animal like dolphin, wale, dog or cat, to be 3D any how? IF that is the case, than your explanation makes sense. But if that is not the case, than a lot more can be investigate and discovered in that part in animal life?

That's NOT what I said. There is a difference between 3rd density and STO. 3rd density is, in fact, in our present experience, almost totally STS. You are STS, all of us are STS, we only have the possibility of becoming STO candidates for 4D where it is possible to be STO.

Playing isn't STO. It also isn't necessarily "honest and giving." The cat very much enjoys playing with the mouse before eating it.

You are comparing apples to oranges.

If I understood this right than mouse and cat are at the same level of consciousness like whale and dolphin, so folowing that analogy, whale and mouse are the same?

You are making assumptions and putting words in my mouth. There is a spectrum of consciousnesses at any level of density. A mouse is at one point on that spectrum, cat on another, whale on another, dolphin on another. Not only that, but they have different intrinsic natures.

So, no, I am not saying that the mouse and cat are at the same level of consciousness "like whale and dolphin", I am saying that PLAY is not evidence of STO. (Among other things.)

 

[Psalehesost]

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Non-predatory play seems to be a mechanism generally used by mammals to bring about social exploration, learning rules of interaction when young, and bonding/developing friendships and establishing roles within a group. It may or may not slide into games of social dominance.

Jaak Panksepp describes three brain circuits particularly relevant to the question of play in general. These are among the seven primary affective brain circuits that have been found to be shared by all mammals.

There is a dedicated "PLAY" system (as Panksepp calls it), which lights up in humans and as well as other mammals (and also birds) as they engage in play with their own species. (And likewise for friendly play between species, of which there are various examples besides this novel dolphin/whale combination.) As long as this system is the main driver of the interaction on the part of all, it seems that positive emotions are predominant.

There is also the "SEEKING" system (often wrongly called "the reward system"), which drives anticipatory desire and more generally all motivation. This system is apparently the main driving emotional force during predatory "play", as in a cat's toying with a mouse. This may also be the case when "play" turns into a game of social dominance.

Then there is the "RAGE" system, which when active directs a human or a mammal to respond with hostility towards other living beings. (It is hardwired for the targeting of living things.) This does not seem to be a component of either "positive" play nor predatory "play". When playful interaction goes wrong, or someone is bent on dominance and meets with resistance or frustration, though, it can become active and drive the behavior.

 

[Deleted member 11729]

Re: DOLPHINS HAVE BEEN CAUGHT GOING ON WHALE RIDES - is it maybe 3D manifesting?

You are making assumptions and putting words in my mouth. There is a spectrum of consciousnesses at any level of density. A mouse is at one point on that spectrum, cat on another, whale on another, dolphin on another. Not only that, but they have different intrinsic natures.

So, no, I am not saying that the mouse and cat are at the same level of consciousness "like whale and dolphin", I am saying that PLAY is not evidence of STO. (Among other things.)

I am sorry if it sounded like I am putting the words into your mouths, wasn't my intention. And thank you for clearing that. I was surprised with explanation through comparing the play of cat and mouse with play of whale and dolphin, what in any case can't be the same, as mouse is a food for a cat, but dolphin is not a food of the whale.

SO ok this has been misunderstanding on both ways - first around the fact that you were understanding that I am thinking how 3D can be STS ans STO, but no I didn't say that, as I know that 3D can only be STS, and from that part can become a 4D STO candidate, what I already know from reading The Wave books. I just didn't expressed my self on a proper way, and I see now the title is confusing too, so I'll see if I can change that.

There is many of us who don't speak or write English as a first language, and many misunderstandings can come out of that. I am sorry.

Yes sure, if we come down to playfulness, it is not any kind of serious and strong sing that can approve STO candidate orientation, same as hug by psychopath is not the same hug like the one from compassionate partner, but from a photographs we don't know that, and this seams to be a rear manifestation among dolphins and whales, so that is why my thoughts went into direction that this can be more than just a play, and as we can tell form photographs it looks like pleasant occasion for both animals, what was the second thought to go towards idea that if it is manifestation of 3D in animals, can that be manifestation of the one that can become a 4D STO candidate among animals?

My thoughts were more into direction, if the upcoming wave can amplify the changes faster and more rapidly, and if it is possible that 6D can be incarnated in human body becoming a 3D STS but with potential to be awakened to serve humanity in this rapid change ( if I expressed my understanding right ) , can something similar be possible with highly developed animals like wales and dolphins?

I'll do more research on that.

 

[Deleted member 11729]

Re: DOLPHINS HAVE BEEN CAUGHT GOING ON WHALE RIDES - is it maybe 3D STO manifesting?

Non-predatory play seems to be a mechanism generally used by mammals to bring about social exploration, learning rules of interaction when young, and bonding/developing friendships and establishing roles within a group. It may or may not slide into games of social dominance.

Jaak Panksepp describes three brain circuits particularly relevant to the question of play in general. These are among the seven primary affective brain circuits that have been found to be shared by all mammals.

There is a dedicated "PLAY" system (as Panksepp calls it), which lights up in humans and as well as other mammals (and also birds) as they engage in play with their own species. (And likewise for friendly play between species, of which there are various examples besides this novel dolphin/whale combination.) As long as this system is the main driver of the interaction on the part of all, it seems that positive emotions are predominant.

There is also the "SEEKING" system (often wrongly called "the reward system"), which drives anticipatory desire and more generally all motivation. This system is apparently the main driving emotional force during predatory "play", as in a cat's toying with a mouse. This may also be the case when "play" turns into a game of social dominance.

Then there is the "RAGE" system, which when active directs a human or a mammal to respond with hostility towards other living beings. (It is hardwired for the targeting of living things.) This does not seem to be a component of either "positive" play nor predatory "play". When playful interaction goes wrong, or someone is bent on dominance and meets with resistance or frustration, though, it can become active and drive the behavior.

Thank you very much for your imputes, I'll take a look to the link and books! :)

 

[Michael B-C]

Re: DOLPHINS HAVE BEEN CAUGHT GOING ON WHALE RIDES - is it maybe 3D STO manifesting?

Thanks Psalehesost for posting so succinctly what I was about to address. As Laura has so clearly explained these incidents cannot have anything to do with STO behaviour. We must beware projection of human consciousness and emotional habits onto the animal kingdom (not that they don’t have their own). The question is has this kind of behaviour been witnessed before between these two species? Well for a start this link actually dates back to at least 2012 (as witnessed by the posting on YouTube and other articles of the time). Other than that I can’t find any other reported sightings. This may therefore be a localised event due to certain conditions relating to these particular animals. There may be some very particular localised environmental circumstances at play here which we do not know. Until any further data materialises its just surmise as to what is really going on.

 

[Deleted member 11729]

Re: DOLPHINS HAVE BEEN CAUGHT GOING ON WHALE RIDES - is it maybe 3D STO manifesting?

Other than that I can’t find any other reported sightings. This may therefore be a localised event due to certain conditions relating to these particular animals. There may be some very particular localised environmental circumstances at play here which we do not know. Until any further data materialises its just surmise as to what is really going on.

I agree that we can't come to any serious conclusion before we do more investigation if there is some other evidences of this kind. I thought some of Forum members might know more about it, so I took my first research step here.