Drug may wipe out troubling memories
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Zadius Sky
The Living Force
A similar article been posted on SoTT last February:
Study Takes Step Toward Erasing Bad Memories
The difference seems to be, with above old article, is "blood pressure pill" to get rid of phobias and the new article mentioned, "A memory-cleansing pill" to get rid of "unhappy or embarrassing memories."
The obvious question is why would anyone want to erase their self-judged "bad" memories? One would lose a lesson/experience out of those memories in order to grow. Unfortunately, it would seems that there are people out there would do anything to be kept in illusion of self-calming and afraid those "bad" experiences would bring them closer to the real nature of the reality.
Study Takes Step Toward Erasing Bad Memories
The difference seems to be, with above old article, is "blood pressure pill" to get rid of phobias and the new article mentioned, "A memory-cleansing pill" to get rid of "unhappy or embarrassing memories."
The obvious question is why would anyone want to erase their self-judged "bad" memories? One would lose a lesson/experience out of those memories in order to grow. Unfortunately, it would seems that there are people out there would do anything to be kept in illusion of self-calming and afraid those "bad" experiences would bring them closer to the real nature of the reality.
Mr. Premise
The Living Force
It's clear that the military is behind this. It's perfect for them. They can have wars and not have to pay for treatment of PTSD in the veterans for years. This is really frightening for that and other reasons that Sky pointed out. Sheesh.
Mr. Premise said:
I'm reading a little bit more into this. I could be wrong, though.
In addition to what Sky and Mr. Premise have brought up, what I can see being done by the PTB is erasing any memories they want to, such as someone who has found out something that the PTB don't want to get out. Or those who are against what is being done by their government. Hey, just erase anything that makes them think that way.
Of course, I can also just see people lining up to take this drug. Another way for the rich elite to become even richer and keep the sheep ignorant and the soldiers soldiering.
fwiw
, as if everybody isn't zombified enough already.
I don't think that oral medications would be effective for long term use because they would probably only las 24 hrs and be excreted by the body. Drugs have been used to erase memoriesl for at least 40 years or more that I am aware of. During my training as an RN in England over 30 years ago now I was doing my psychiatric rotation and remeber two treatments using drugs that sound/are draconian.
One was called Depatterning this involved giving the patient a cocktail of drugs two of which I remember were choloral hydrate and paraldehyde the patient was in a permant sleep state and was woken up for short intervals for toileting and something to eat then sedated again, this cycle happened for several days and was used to remove memories of painful events or at least lessen the impact of the emotions. I remember a particular patient who was obsessed that her husband was unfaithful as a result she was having behavioural changes, it was affecting her health, and her marriage. I never did find out if this treatment was succesful because there was no follow up after the patient left the unit.
Another treatment was using insulin (the patients were not diabetic) they were given a dose of insulin
that induced hypoglyciemia to the point where they were almost in coma they were then woken up and given breakfast.
I am going to attach a series of BBC documantaries by Adam Curtis they are in three parts and will post part 2 first because I think it relevant to the discussion. In the documentary it introduces the the work of a Dr Ewan Cameron who was a Canadian psychiatrist working in Montreal in the 50's doing experiments in erasing memories using drugs. This was funded by the CIA. The documentary shows an interview with one of his victims by the name of Linda McDonald. She was admitted to the research institue/hospital where Dr Cameron was practising on his victims for depression, she was married and had children. When she left the institute she had no memories prior to her admission.
She made some interesting comments She had no awarness of how to behave in social situations andsaid she felt like an alien because she had no understand of people. She mentions how she went to a funeral and didnt cry she did'nt know you were expected to cry at funerals, she said society determines how we should feel in certain situations. She also commented that when she was in social gathering She had no idea who the actors were who wrote the script and the end of the plot. In fact she had to relearn the rules all over again but as she says at the end of the video she had the opportunity to choose which rules she wanted. She sucessfully sued the Canadian government for compensation.
There is also some hints about Lee Harvey Oswald being programmed and also some interesting comments from retired CIA.
The main theme of the documentaries how our memories of the past 50 years have been changed by propaganda, the media, and altering our perceptions of the past and as a result our history of the events have been changed or removed.
Here is Part 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8179092243297154729&ei=gsSaSrLTCKKgqQOOydnUBg&q=the+living+dead#
here is part 2 and 3
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1758338679527790685&ei=VL2aSvmVKJTqqAPy4envBw&q=the+living+dead#
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-314906531328011893&ei=psSaSrHLOYGSqQPiloWPCA&q=the+living+dead#
One was called Depatterning this involved giving the patient a cocktail of drugs two of which I remember were choloral hydrate and paraldehyde the patient was in a permant sleep state and was woken up for short intervals for toileting and something to eat then sedated again, this cycle happened for several days and was used to remove memories of painful events or at least lessen the impact of the emotions. I remember a particular patient who was obsessed that her husband was unfaithful as a result she was having behavioural changes, it was affecting her health, and her marriage. I never did find out if this treatment was succesful because there was no follow up after the patient left the unit.
Another treatment was using insulin (the patients were not diabetic) they were given a dose of insulin
that induced hypoglyciemia to the point where they were almost in coma they were then woken up and given breakfast.
I am going to attach a series of BBC documantaries by Adam Curtis they are in three parts and will post part 2 first because I think it relevant to the discussion. In the documentary it introduces the the work of a Dr Ewan Cameron who was a Canadian psychiatrist working in Montreal in the 50's doing experiments in erasing memories using drugs. This was funded by the CIA. The documentary shows an interview with one of his victims by the name of Linda McDonald. She was admitted to the research institue/hospital where Dr Cameron was practising on his victims for depression, she was married and had children. When she left the institute she had no memories prior to her admission.
She made some interesting comments She had no awarness of how to behave in social situations andsaid she felt like an alien because she had no understand of people. She mentions how she went to a funeral and didnt cry she did'nt know you were expected to cry at funerals, she said society determines how we should feel in certain situations. She also commented that when she was in social gathering She had no idea who the actors were who wrote the script and the end of the plot. In fact she had to relearn the rules all over again but as she says at the end of the video she had the opportunity to choose which rules she wanted. She sucessfully sued the Canadian government for compensation.
There is also some hints about Lee Harvey Oswald being programmed and also some interesting comments from retired CIA.
The main theme of the documentaries how our memories of the past 50 years have been changed by propaganda, the media, and altering our perceptions of the past and as a result our history of the events have been changed or removed.
Here is Part 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8179092243297154729&ei=gsSaSrLTCKKgqQOOydnUBg&q=the+living+dead#
here is part 2 and 3
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1758338679527790685&ei=VL2aSvmVKJTqqAPy4envBw&q=the+living+dead#
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-314906531328011893&ei=psSaSrHLOYGSqQPiloWPCA&q=the+living+dead#
pete02
The Living Force
The whole thing sounds like a sales pitch to me. The PTB wants/needs more ways to keep us dumbfounded and is trying to push another drug like its something great that will help us live better. First off like erasing memories of failed relationships? For what? So we can go thru it all over again with the same person? And then they say or the death of a family pet but then what are you supposed to say when you realize the animal is no longer around? Are you just supposed to assume the pet disappeared one day? I don't understand having memories of the pet and not it's passing?
Unfortunately is right. Far too many people in society would see an advantage to this. The sleeping masses.Myrddin Awyr said:
I believe this ultimately to be the truth. Not only would they avoid future treatments but the soldiers would be forgetting all the atrocities they are committing and be ready to commit more right after taking some pills. They have too many soldiers who don't want to return or don't believe in whats going on. A little slip of the pill and all that can change.Mr. Premise said:
Mountain Crown
The Living Force
[QUOTE author=Galahad]Cameron was discussed at length in Naomi Klein's The Shock Doctrine where she tied his work into the CIA torture manual that has been used since both on individuals, and as she so brilliantly points out, on whole societies. A very evil man.[/QUOTE]
A little about Dr. Cameron from Dave McGowan:
[QUOTE author=Understanding the F-Word:American Fascism and the Politics of Illusion]One name that never came up in my years at UCLA was that of the aforementioned Dr. David Ewen Cameron. Considering that Cameron is probably the most honored North American psychiatrist of the last half-century, this appears in retrospect a rather remarkable omission. During his career, Cameron founded the Canadian Mental Health Association and served as chairman of the Canadian Scientific Planning Committee, president of the American Psychiatric Association, president of the Canadian Psychiatric Association, and the first president of the World Association of Psychiatrists. He was also the psychiatrist most thoroughly co-opted by U.S. intelligence services in all of North America.
His intelligence career began at least as early as 1941, when he was sent by Allen Dulles to England on behalf of the OSS to 'ascertain the state of mind' of Rudolph Hess, Hitler's right-hand man who had supposedly 'defected' to the UK. Cameron was during this time a member of the Military Mobilization Committee of the American Psychiatric Association, in which capacity he also worked closely with Dulles.
By 1943, Cameron had founded the Allan Memorial Institute in Montreal with a generous grant from (where else?) the Rockefeller Foundation. The institute continued to receive lavish support from the Rockefellers for at least the next decade, as well as the generous support of the CIA through various funding conduits.
In 1946, Cameron helped craft the Nuremberg Code on medical research, setting ethical guidelines for human research that were perhaps nowhere more flagrantly ignored than at his own Institute. Cameron's MK-ULTRA operation conducted what were undoubtedly among the most appalling of the CIA-funded mind control experiments (those that are well documented, anyway), utilizing what he euphemistically termed 'depatterning' and 'psychic driving.'
During the depatterning phase, the objective was to completely obliterate the existing personality. This was done by restraining the victims (oops, I meant patients) for weeks on end and subjecting them to massive doses of drugs and repeated electroshock treatments. Cameron preferred the Page-Russell electroshock technique - controversial even among the shock docs of the time - which employed six consecutive shocks rather than just one big jolt. This wasn't quite enough for Cameron though, so he cranked up the power to as much as twenty times the normal strength, and administered the 'treatment' two or three times a day. Concurrently given three times a day were drug cocktails containing every combination of incapacitating and mind-altering drug imaginable.
Following some two months of this medical torture, patients were then subjected to psychic driving, during which they were again incapacitated by drugs - including curare, a paralyzing agent which can be lethal - while taped messages were played continuously through speakers placed in pillows or in helmets the unfortunate victims were forced to wear. This also went on for weeks on end, with the subjects remaining drug-addled throughout the process. Cameron experimented with other techniques as well, including psychosurgery and the extensive use of LSD; one woman was kept locked in a small box for thirty-five consecutive days.
In 1960, Cameron was asked by Allen Dulles to evaluate the mental state of U-2 pilot Francis Gary Powers upon his return from the Soviet Union. So impressed was Dulles with Cameron’s assessment of Powers that he next had him draft a psychological profile of Patrice Lumumba - the first Prime Minister of the newly independent Congo - to determine what the most efficient means of assassinating him might be.
Premier spymaster William Buckley took the agency’s file on Lumumba to Montreal for Cameron's review; by January of the following year, Lumumba was dead, his body dissolved in acid after enduring a month of barbaric torture. As for Buckley, he would later be present at both the attempted assassination of Pope John Paul and the successful assassination of Egyptian President Anwar Sadat, whose security forces he had personally trained.
Working with Cameron on his experiments - some of which are believed by some researchers to have been terminal - were Leonard Rubenstein, an Englishman and former member of the British Army’s Royal Signal Corp, and Jan Zielinski, a Polish-born engineer who knew only limited English and rarely spoke. These two built a 'grid room' and an isolation chamber in the basement of Allan Memorial and were given unlimited access to patients, despite the fact that neither had any formal medical training or qualifications. Also on board was Dr. Hassam Azima - rumored to be a blood relative of the U.S.-installed Shah of Iran - and Dr. Wilder Penfield, a prominent neurologist. [/QUOTE]
A little about Dr. Cameron from Dave McGowan:
[QUOTE author=Understanding the F-Word:American Fascism and the Politics of Illusion]One name that never came up in my years at UCLA was that of the aforementioned Dr. David Ewen Cameron. Considering that Cameron is probably the most honored North American psychiatrist of the last half-century, this appears in retrospect a rather remarkable omission. During his career, Cameron founded the Canadian Mental Health Association and served as chairman of the Canadian Scientific Planning Committee, president of the American Psychiatric Association, president of the Canadian Psychiatric Association, and the first president of the World Association of Psychiatrists. He was also the psychiatrist most thoroughly co-opted by U.S. intelligence services in all of North America.
His intelligence career began at least as early as 1941, when he was sent by Allen Dulles to England on behalf of the OSS to 'ascertain the state of mind' of Rudolph Hess, Hitler's right-hand man who had supposedly 'defected' to the UK. Cameron was during this time a member of the Military Mobilization Committee of the American Psychiatric Association, in which capacity he also worked closely with Dulles.
By 1943, Cameron had founded the Allan Memorial Institute in Montreal with a generous grant from (where else?) the Rockefeller Foundation. The institute continued to receive lavish support from the Rockefellers for at least the next decade, as well as the generous support of the CIA through various funding conduits.
In 1946, Cameron helped craft the Nuremberg Code on medical research, setting ethical guidelines for human research that were perhaps nowhere more flagrantly ignored than at his own Institute. Cameron's MK-ULTRA operation conducted what were undoubtedly among the most appalling of the CIA-funded mind control experiments (those that are well documented, anyway), utilizing what he euphemistically termed 'depatterning' and 'psychic driving.'
During the depatterning phase, the objective was to completely obliterate the existing personality. This was done by restraining the victims (oops, I meant patients) for weeks on end and subjecting them to massive doses of drugs and repeated electroshock treatments. Cameron preferred the Page-Russell electroshock technique - controversial even among the shock docs of the time - which employed six consecutive shocks rather than just one big jolt. This wasn't quite enough for Cameron though, so he cranked up the power to as much as twenty times the normal strength, and administered the 'treatment' two or three times a day. Concurrently given three times a day were drug cocktails containing every combination of incapacitating and mind-altering drug imaginable.
Following some two months of this medical torture, patients were then subjected to psychic driving, during which they were again incapacitated by drugs - including curare, a paralyzing agent which can be lethal - while taped messages were played continuously through speakers placed in pillows or in helmets the unfortunate victims were forced to wear. This also went on for weeks on end, with the subjects remaining drug-addled throughout the process. Cameron experimented with other techniques as well, including psychosurgery and the extensive use of LSD; one woman was kept locked in a small box for thirty-five consecutive days.
In 1960, Cameron was asked by Allen Dulles to evaluate the mental state of U-2 pilot Francis Gary Powers upon his return from the Soviet Union. So impressed was Dulles with Cameron’s assessment of Powers that he next had him draft a psychological profile of Patrice Lumumba - the first Prime Minister of the newly independent Congo - to determine what the most efficient means of assassinating him might be.
Premier spymaster William Buckley took the agency’s file on Lumumba to Montreal for Cameron's review; by January of the following year, Lumumba was dead, his body dissolved in acid after enduring a month of barbaric torture. As for Buckley, he would later be present at both the attempted assassination of Pope John Paul and the successful assassination of Egyptian President Anwar Sadat, whose security forces he had personally trained.
Working with Cameron on his experiments - some of which are believed by some researchers to have been terminal - were Leonard Rubenstein, an Englishman and former member of the British Army’s Royal Signal Corp, and Jan Zielinski, a Polish-born engineer who knew only limited English and rarely spoke. These two built a 'grid room' and an isolation chamber in the basement of Allan Memorial and were given unlimited access to patients, despite the fact that neither had any formal medical training or qualifications. Also on board was Dr. Hassam Azima - rumored to be a blood relative of the U.S.-installed Shah of Iran - and Dr. Wilder Penfield, a prominent neurologist. [/QUOTE]
anart
A Disturbance in the Force
Joan said:
I think the way anti-depressants and other psychotropic medications are dosed disproves this idea. Once one gets to 'therapeutic dose', which may take a full month, the medication can takes months to fully leave the system.
And, yes, this Dr. Cameron sounds like Evil incarnate - this whole idea comes straight out of a horror movie.
Yes I agree anart, I didn't make it clear in my post and was only referring to the drug propranolol, which is an older drug and when it was first marketed was used to treat hypertension. I find it also interesting that another older drug called condone also another hypertensive is now used to treat the withdrawal cravings associated with drug and alcohol addiction. Makes me wonder how these drugs act on the nervous system. I do agree that antidepressants do have a cumulative effect in the body .
Sorry I misspelled the name of the other hypertensive drug which is called clonidine. I read you you post Galahad thanks for the additional information. I find it hard to comtemplate the depths of evil and it's may forms and shapes at times, how our lives have been shaped and formed for decades upon decades by these evil magicians.
I agree that the erasing of our painful memories would would be detrimental, we would have no capacity to learn and grow from the challenges and learning opportunities that come our way and would make us into functional zombies, which is what I see when I look around me, and of course is the ultimate aim of 4DSTS and it's minions here in earth.
I agree that the erasing of our painful memories would would be detrimental, we would have no capacity to learn and grow from the challenges and learning opportunities that come our way and would make us into functional zombies, which is what I see when I look around me, and of course is the ultimate aim of 4DSTS and it's minions here in earth.
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