E-smoking / "electronic" smoking

[Hitsu]

Hi Folks :)

To Mods and Admins.

I am fully aware of big smoking thread and admin note

ADMIN NOTE: This is a consolidated thread. All minor threads on smoking, tobacco, nicotine, etc, are merged here.

-> https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,84.0.html

If this is possible, I would like to not have merged this thread. Please. :))
That thread IS HUGE.

Extracted question has higher visibility, so It can 'hit' more persons.
The more persons see this, the more can 'relate' to this and the probability of getting answer is higher.
I want to increase receiving group, so I can get answers for question that bothers me and in my opinion is important.

And most people understand (when they read) "SMOKING" as analog smoking, not 'electronic smoking'. :)

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If I understand right the main substance responsible for "smoking is good" is nicotine.
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/diet.htm
This was highlighted on this old page, by Laura (in other paragraphs, I don't want to "quote" all - too much spam) and cassiopaeans point this to us

Q: Well, all it did for me was allow me to eat at all! I guess that now I will have to quit eating completely forever!
A: Or bring nicotine back.
Q: Well, that's not gonna happen! Ark doesn't like it at all! Isn't there something else that would work?
A: No.
Q: So, you are saying that nicotine is actually good for me?
A: Yes. Without it, you will remain with weight problems, because you will not be able to lower food intake enough to compensate. Why do you think you had the inkling to start smoking in the first place?
Q: Well, I just was going along with my friends, I thought. [I had started smoking when I was 16, though I had experimented with it when I was 15.]
A: No.
Q: What other things does nicotine do?
A: Raises immunological defences.
Q: Anything else?
A: Excites neurotransmitters. You require less sleep.
Q: Is this true for everyone?
A: No.
Q: (A) How much nicotine is necessary?
A: 100 mg per day.

I already created a thread, where independent researcher came to similar conclusions (nicotine is good)
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=38331.0

direct link to his site:
_http://www.gwern.net/Nicotine

And the main 'addictive' stuff is MAIOs (Monoamine oxidase inhibitor, see wiki), not nicotine.
e.g.

Addictiveness

Wikipedia summarizes Guillem et al 2005 as “Technically, nicotine is not significantly addictive, as nicotine administered alone does not produce significant reinforcing properties” - the addictiveness coming from MAOIs (eg. Khalil et al 2000, Khalil et al 2006) & possibly other compounds present in tobacco; [...]

Because, of this 'MAOIs' thing and other stuff (covered in studies), I am interested in e-smoking / e-cigarettes.


Does anybody from this forum can relate to this?
e.g. I used analog cigarettes (either mainstream or 'organic' tobacco) and electronic vaporizers (e-cig).
{more opinion}

 

[Josi]

This is part of my experience with e-cigarettes:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,84.2295.html

I would rather stop smoking all together then ever touch a e-cigarette again.

my2c

 

[patty2292]

I would love to be able to use an E-cig without any worry for work and when im driving. That being said, i simply cant take the smoke from one. It bites my throat and my lungs just scream NO. So thats a sign, but it might just be me.
But i think the point is, is that the thing we want is Nicotine. And thats all.
The majority of standard cigarettes are rinsed with to many chemicals and additives to mention as we know. So, it isnt worth the trade for that minimal amount of Nicotine you get out of it.
E-cigs apparently only deliver a fraction of the nicotine that cigarettes do - about a 5th or there about per puff. So that doesnt sound to promising.

E-cigs also contain glycerin (An alternative sweetener to sugar, and from what i seen used to be used as an old antifreeze) and glycol ethers. Alot of the information online ive seen says these are not hazardous... But i wont bite that. There has to be a catch here... Just some more smoking propaganda and misinformation im guessing.
I really cant imagine these ingredients to be pleasant or not detrimental to the lungs.

So id say; why risk it? The Nicotine is there, in a nice fresh pouch of additive free naturally grown tobacco.

I also seen afew people discuss this on the Smoking thread itself that Rhiannon posted. The thread is HUGE, because it has alot of great information. Most likely the information that you seek :)

 

[nicklebleu]

Not keen to go on e-cigs at all. Smoking is so much more than nicotine. But I do chew nicotine gums at work when facing a difficult situation to increase cognitive performance.

Also, if nicotine really was so addictive as it is portrayed to be, we would see a whole bunch of "addicted" nicotine chewingum or spray users - I don't think these really exist. Studies of smoking cessation have shown that hardly anyone who stops with help from nicotine replacements is on these after 12 months. Either they return to smoking, or they quit completely.

 

[Altair]

But I do chew nicotine gums at work when facing a difficult situation to increase cognitive performance.

Could you recommend any brand without additives and sweeteners?

 

[Mr. Premise]

But I do chew nicotine gums at work when facing a difficult situation to increase cognitive performance.

Could you recommend any brand without additives and sweeteners?

I haven't found any without bad artificial sweeteners. I just use patches if I can't smoke.