"E V E N T S" :David Shayler and Annie Machon (both former mi5)

[joejoeba]

I have just returned from a 9/11 truth talk with the above two ex agents.

Firstly I thought it refreshing to have something in the way of truth come to our remotish neck of the woods. I discovered a huge amount of local people were very interested and the turnnout was impressive.

The talk started out, lead by Annie, explaining their escape story from mi5, and how they were on the run in europe for a year. After working for "f2" and "g9" units . ( counter terrorism. She explained how they had grown digusted and exhausted with the way the agency dealt with matters and wanted to get away from responsibility in connection to "terrorist attacks".Ie the israeli embassy bombings.

They then began a video on a projector screen.

This is where I started to get bored in all fairness. The information was largley old hat, and convoluted; using poor repetetive representations of childish points with alot of talking and not much insight. Allthough people need to know the truth, the fact is most people who come to these meetings are allready in support of the concept that the twin towers episode deserved a deeper purpose than simply war enducing acts of extremist heathens.It was a fraction patronising.That may have been an attempt to make it watchable by all.

The piece got through the suncruise syndicate and muhammed atta and jeb bush: (these were their main players).

At times, the piece did touch a few ideas and was inspiring. They had a long excerpt from V for Vendetta, a few from star wars and the best was an amazing show of stamina in a film I can only remember as being called "1976" and featured an evangelical presenter ranting before a televison audience in front of a spherical couloured glass window. It was great though, the exerpt.

The story eventually got round to the day of the attacks and literally flashed 20 or so images, in a cycle of the burning tower and then went on about the bush with children fact....one I have allways slightly contested as who knows what the aid said......"America is under attack?" who knows!!

Anyhow after an eight minute musicall crechendo of the above quote flashing next to the realtime reaction footage of bush in this moment, the tower flashed again after a final " coincidence" repeated in a question and it ended.

We went outside and I came across the man and his Wife?/ lady friend/ (scully)

He was eating two huge cakes and she was smoking. I asked them a bit about thier work and congratulated them on the efforts, all the time dying to knw more about the world of spies!!

Then I mentioned SOTT and suggested she check it out and gave a brief run-down. She seemed genuinely interested but apparantly hadn't heard of the site. David Shayler then blanked me with his back. He is a big bloke and I think He was protecting his woman subconciously, not that I had any interest in communication of any kind other than the subject at hand. I proceeded to talk to him instead. He was completely disinterested in the theme and tune of this forum and it's truthfull gains. Instead, rather disapointingly he plugged his own website and book and tv show etc and It dawned on me we were both missing the immediate point. I had enough to go on, and allthough I should have stayed on for the discussion afterwards. I had a feeling the sale of a book would follow. I'll find out tomorrow from a friend what happened.

Anyhow. I have included the links below as mildly conflicting perceptions on the David Shayler.


http:(2slsh)www(dot)londonclasswar.org/newswire_shaylerrevisited.php
http:(2slsh)www(dot)nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=46115
http:(2slsh)www(dot)wsws.org/articles/2000/aug2000/spy-a25.shtml

 

[anart]

The talk started out, lead by Annie, explaining their escape story from mi5, and how they were on the run in europe for a year.

I hate to bring this up, but it's my understanding that one does not 'escape' MI6 or any powerful national intelligence agency - so you might want to look at what you saw/heard from the perspective that it is exactly what you were supposed to see/hear. Just a thought.

 

[joejoeba]

I have repeated that suggestion over and over in my head! I think I see that everyone wants to hear they have: "escaped" the grips of an agency, therefore all they say MUST now be true, and they are on your side.

It still remains possible there is some positive outcome to the concept of sharing truth with the masses at least, even if the "truth" is weirdly biased

 

[anart]

Uhhmm, if it is truth, how can it be 'weirdly biased'?

I'm only asking since truth should be, well, truth. Shouldn't it?

Is partial truth still truth? Chances are very high that these 'ex-agents' are presenting information that they have been cleared to present - if they are saying it, it's okay for it to be said. If it is not the truth, it is disinformation - and, very often in situations like these, it is a 'vacuum cleaner' operation - sucking people in and chronicling who is interested in this topic in order to keep an 'eye' on them in the future - it is the control of dissemination of information.

Your experience could be the one exception to this rule - but I must admit to being rather skeptical considering what you've said so far - especially considering the presenters of information. It is still a good learning experience, as long as you can See what is going on.

 

[joejoeba]

Just so you know, I posted this with the highest sense of scepticism and an open mind. Thanks for the concern!

I think the only exception was that the people who attended this were generally un-impressed/allready well informed which made critical analysis more grounded.

What worries me is if these two are going to people who arn't informed. It will seed disinfo for their own personal gain, and get future quoters of that disinfo ostracised socially when proven wrong maybe. I am saddened by the part truth mongers and skirters I really bloody am.

 

[joejoeba]

It might be a suitable move to take this thread over to COINTELPRO folder now i feel.

 

[Ringo]

"E V E N T S" :David Shayler and Annie Machon (both former mi5)

Have you seen the Sky news interview with David Shayler (its on youtube), he gives a really good account of himself and the truth about 911, until he suggests no planes hit the towers and recommends people take a closer look at the footage “...see how the plane goes into the building, it shows something melting into a building, not hitting a building..." "...you'd expect to see wings start to fracture, you'd expect to explosions when the engines hit the building, blowback of parts coming back..." These claims certainly seem to have lost him a lot of support, so he'd have to really be sure about it, or like you say be COINTEL.

Was it one of the West Yorkshire truth venues you went to? Their events look to be pretty frequent, each event seems to be lead by either David Shayler and Annie Machon, William Rodriguez (doing another tour of the UK) or a guy call Ian Crane (chairperson for the of the 9/11 truth campaign (Britain & Ireland)). I was thinking of showing my support at a meeting next month in Bradford where William Rodriguez will be speaking.

I recently went to a meeting they held in Skipton, Ian Crane held the presentation, it assumed you knew the basics and the who's who of world corruption, I’d certainly recommend it to anyone who hasn't been, the guy shows genuine passion for it.
One thing I did pick up on, Ian certainly wanted to say more that he thought he could. In his introduction he very briefly mention spending time researching Mayan history in South America after he retired, then finished the presentation, basically asking people to consider with an open mind a lot of ancient calendars show 2012 of great importance, going on to describe events much like how the Cassiopaean’s describe 'The wave'. It felt this was his real forte, even though it was hidden as just a glimpse into some interest he was looking into, so not to spook the audience.

 

[Ruth]

Then I mentioned SOTT and suggested she check it out and gave a brief run-down. She seemed genuinely interested but apparantly hadn't heard of the site. David Shayler then blanked me with his back. He is a big bloke and I think He was protecting his woman subconciously, not that I had any interest in communication of any kind other than the subject at hand. I proceeded to talk to him instead. He was completely disinterested in the theme and tune of this forum and it's truthfull gains. Instead, rather disapointingly he plugged his own website and book and tv show etc and It dawned on me we were both missing the immediate point.

Seems to me that they aren't the least bit interested in the truth, but rather are gathering people who are interested, together in order to know who they are. They didn't happen to get you all to register, did they? I suppose it would be a bit too obvious is they started taking pictures of all the participants... I don't suppose anyone was taking pictures?...

 

[joejoeba]

There was a photographer there but I think that there are much more simple ways of getting id's on feasable "insurgents"(tongue in cheek). I'd wager the threat posed to national security by rural thinkers quite minimal really. They did have a register for mailing lists though, I didn't fill it, but in any case I say come and get me! There is a faint possibility that the signs forum itself has it's own fair share of data collection agents, I don't care really. I am no threat either as such(I hate to admit)